The point of the minimum wage
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So are you saying someone should have the authority to decide which companies have the "right" to stay in business?
Not saying unions are solely responsible for the increase in goods produced, but then I walked by a Ford pickup on display at the MSF with a advertised price of $68,000.
Excuse me for not buying one on the spot, but I cannot afford the products union companies produce. If a customer with above average income cannot afford their product, how do you think this will effect the company long term?
Not saying unions are solely responsible for the increase in goods produced, but then I walked by a Ford pickup on display at the MSF with a advertised price of $68,000.
Excuse me for not buying one on the spot, but I cannot afford the products union companies produce. If a customer with above average income cannot afford their product, how do you think this will effect the company long term?
You could easily afford a union product if u make an above average income you are just looking to live above your means. Plenty of Ford trucks or any brand around 28grand and maybe lower, Poor shopper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
What does the original post have to do with unions? It's about the minimum wage.
Further, it's pretty difficult to argue that the union is causing Ford's trucks to cost so much when plenty of competitor vehicles are made in right to work states.
Unions may cause some services to be more expensive but they've lost so much clout in the private manufacturing sector. They have been killed by globalization and right-to-work.
Let's face it, Ford isn't making a 68k truck because it costs that much to make a truck - they are making it for the same reason Chevy sells the Suburban. Some people out there like paying $1,000+ a month for a vehicle.
Those are likely the most profitable vehicles sold by Ford and GM besides maybe the Corvette. They love those customers.
There's a societal and governmental value to the minimum wage. We have plenty of examples of moderate changes in the minimum wage over time to keep up with inflation - real world experiments, if you will. They generally move $$$ into the hands of people who need it the most with less of an impact on employment than you would think.
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Please, do tell, where I might find a heavy duty pickup, capable of pulling a load for $28,000 or less.
But by calling me a poor shopper, you all have kinda proven my point. $68,000 is too much money to spend on a truck, and union wages have helped that truck become that expensive. Once again, when a company prices it's products too high, what happens? People stop buying them, then what happens?
But by calling me a poor shopper, you all have kinda proven my point. $68,000 is too much money to spend on a truck, and union wages have helped that truck become that expensive. Once again, when a company prices it's products too high, what happens? People stop buying them, then what happens?
Ironically, it was Henry Ford himself who pioneered the concept of living wages for his workers so they would buy his products and make the U.S. economy, his company, and his workers families strong. He believed in middle out economics, not trickle down my leg economics.
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And your point would be.........
As a member of the teachers union, which I assume you are, "I hate to assume", why don't you go buy that $68,000 dollar truck, and support your Union brothers?
Yet you say you bought a $12,000 dollar truck, and left your Union brothers hanging, how are they going to keep their cush, high dollar jobs, without you overpaying for their products?
As a member of the teachers union, which I assume you are, "I hate to assume", why don't you go buy that $68,000 dollar truck, and support your Union brothers?
Yet you say you bought a $12,000 dollar truck, and left your Union brothers hanging, how are they going to keep their cush, high dollar jobs, without you overpaying for their products?
How much of a new Ford truck is made in the USA? A new Cadillac SRX is almost entirely made in Mexico. Sticker says U.S./Canadian parts content:25%. Mexico 66%- Final assembly point: Mexico, Engine:Mexico, Transmission:U.S. Sticker price just over $45,000. How much does union wages figure into that that price? How much does GM's profit margin figure into that price? Don't dump it all on unions, many union workers lost their jobs because of car plants leaving the country.
And how much of that 28k or 68k do you think is wages and benefits? Cars are labor intensive but not that labor intensive. If they were they would be made in China not here.
A ford truck costs a lot because it's got a lot in it - metal, engineering, the cost of the assembly plant itself, all those TV ads, overhead, complaince with safety and emissions laws, profit, etc
If someone could make such a truck for vastly cheaper, they would be doing so. They are already moving more to Mexico for that very reason - it's a ton cheaper than cars built in right to work states.
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I think his point is you can still support union members by buying used. It helps resale value of vehicles built here.
I don't buy new cars so I sympathize with his decision.
The reason why trucks are more expensive now than 10-15-20 years ago is the ridiculous amount of **** they put on trucks, pampering the city commuters. Hop in a top of the line 1985 3/4 ton Chevy Scottsdale and you will see heat and a radio. The truck served it's purpose. The market for guys like myself that just wants a radio/ac/heat is very small, compared to those who want heat/cooled seats, defrosting mirrors, electric rear sliding window, automatic transmission, navigation etc.
I'll hold onto my Silverado for as long as the wheels turn in a safe manor.
I'll hold onto my Silverado for as long as the wheels turn in a safe manor.
They have caused all services to be more expensive that have public funds spent on them. Every fencing job my company does for cities, water districts or schools is 40 to 60% higher than it needs to be. Wasting tax dollars.
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