The NCAA mens basketball has adopted the 30 second shot clock

[metro-dude]

Some say this will change the game and the recruiting for the future. One of my friends believes the stronger teams will press in the back court, play a tough man defense in the half court until the clock ticks to about 10-12 seconds and then drop back into some type of zone for the remaining few seconds.

One thing for sure a " Masterful point guard " will be @ an all time high when the top teams hit the recruiting trails.

I was also informed the new freshman guard " Phillips " will most likely be the point guard @ Missouri this year and Clark will be moved to the shooting guard position. I made it a point to ask about Cullen Vanleer. It appears Cullen, the pride of Pacific, Missouri, is on campus, taking a class but was injured and not involved in player scrimmaging during last weeks camp. Freshman Peryear was taking part in the scrimmages and doing well.

Can we say former Missouri coach Mike Anderson ( Now @ Arkansas ) may have an advantage in the 30 second shot clock change?

 

[3Rfan]

Some say this will change the game and the recruiting for the future. One of my friends believes the stronger teams will press in the back court, play a tough man defense in the half court until the clock ticks to about 10-12 seconds and then drop back into some type of zone for the remaining few seconds.

One thing for sure a " Masterful point guard " will be @ an all time high when the top teams hit the recruiting trails.

I was also informed the new freshman guard " Phillips " will most likely be the point guard @ Missouri this year and Clark will be moved to the shooting guard position. I made it a point to ask about Cullen Vanleer. It appears Cullen, the pride of Pacific, Missouri, is on campus, taking a class but was injured and not involved in player scrimmaging during last weeks camp. Freshman Peryear was taking part in the scrimmages and doing well.

Can we say former Missouri coach Mike Anderson ( Now @ Arkansas ) may have an advantage in the 30 second shot clock change?

The women have had had 30 second clock forever. If you want to guard them hard for 20 seconds why would you backup in a zone the for the last 10 and let them shoot?

What I have heard that could change the talent level at the Juco level is that the NCAA is going to make their requirements tougher and they will have more changes for eligibility of prep school players. I believe the changes will be effective for the class of 2017.

 

[metro-dude]

The women have had had 30 second clock forever. If you want to guard them hard for 20 seconds why would you backup in a zone the for the last 10 and let them shoot?

What I have heard that could change the talent level at the Juco level is that the NCAA is going to make their requirements tougher and they will have more changes for eligibility of prep school players. I believe the changes will be effective for the class of 2017.

Changing defenses can be effect when teams have different offense sets against man-man and a zone defenses. For instance, zone defenses can have a one man front or a two man front, box and 1, triangle and 2, match up zones and others. Few coaches have an offense that can be effect against all the above therefore different offenses sets are used against different defenses. It takes less time for a team to change defenses then it takes to change offenses. If the above is true, can we say different defenses can be effect because of the time involved when changing offensive sets?

Coaches let's be honest, how many of you have a different offensive set for man-man and zone defensive? We could have a " Lone Wolf Coach " out there who has one offense for all defenses. Lone Wolf, please answer this post?

 

[Trim78]

We use a 4 out 1 in and run it against both zone and man. It helped that we had an All State center in the middle at the FT line this year that could catch and attack. Our offense came off what the defense tried to do against Danial. It worked extremely well for us this year. Without Danial in the middle this year we will have to make modifications but I believe we will still be pretty effective in what we do. We use other sets but this has been very good for us.

 

[3Rfan]

Changing defenses can be effect when teams have different offense sets against man-man and a zone defenses. For instance, zone defenses can have a one man front or a two man front, box and 1, triangle and 2, match up zones and others. Few coaches have an offense that can be effect against all the above therefore different offenses sets are used against different defenses. It takes less time for a team to change defenses then it takes to change offenses. If the above is true, can we say different defenses can be effect because of the time involved when changing offensive sets?

Coaches let's be honest, how many of you have a different offensive set for man-man and zone defensive? We could have a " Lone Wolf Coach " out there who has one offense for all defenses. Lone Wolf, please answer this post?

How does 5 seconds difference on the shot clock make any difference in your changing of defenses?

 

[oldroundballer]

Some say this will change the game and the recruiting for the future. One of my friends believes the stronger teams will press in the back court, play a tough man defense in the half court until the clock ticks to about 10-12 seconds and then drop back into some type of zone for the remaining few seconds.

One thing for sure a " Masterful point guard " will be @ an all time high when the top teams hit the recruiting trails.

I was also informed the new freshman guard " Phillips " will most likely be the point guard @ Missouri this year and Clark will be moved to the shooting guard position. I made it a point to ask about Cullen Vanleer. It appears Cullen, the pride of Pacific, Missouri, is on campus, taking a class but was injured and not involved in player scrimmaging during last weeks camp. Freshman Peryear was taking part in the scrimmages and doing well.

Can we say former Missouri coach Mike Anderson ( Now @ Arkansas ) may have an advantage in the 30 second shot clock change?

I could shoot all kinds of holes in that defensive theory. Are you going to leave a shooter to go find your spot in the zone? Are you going to leave the ball handler? Who is going to stay up on a man and who is going to zone? And if I stay on a man who is going to cover my spot in the zone? You'd be opening up way too many decisions that had to be made and actions taken. Confusion would reign on defense and a decent offensive team would burn that to shreds. That's probably why no one does that now.

Mike Anderson will have an advantage when he gets the calls, or no calls in his case, regardless of how long the shot clock is. And good ball handling teams will continue to shoot layups against him. He'll continue to beat up on weaker teams but struggle to beat good ones. His one size fits all strategy works good when at home and when his team is simply better than the opponent but when they're not he struggles to find a way that his team can win.

 

[metro-dude]

I could shoot all kinds of holes in that defensive theory. Are you going to leave a shooter to go find your spot in the zone? Are you going to leave the ball handler? Who is going to stay up on a man and who is going to zone? And if I stay on a man who is going to cover my spot in the zone? You'd be opening up way too many decisions that had to be made and actions taken. Confusion would reign on defense and a decent offensive team would burn that to shreds. That's probably why no one does that now.

Mike Anderson will have an advantage when he gets the calls, or no calls in his case, regardless of how long the shot clock is. And good ball handling teams will continue to shoot layups against him. He'll continue to beat up on weaker teams but struggle to beat good ones. His one size fits all strategy works good when at home and when his team is simply better than the opponent but when they're not he struggles to find a way that his team can win.

oldroundaller. no disrespect to your thread but changing defenses is much easier to change then changing offenses. Offenses need more rhythm then defenses. I also believe " Confusion " would lean more on the offensive side then the defensive side. ( never leave a live man while the 4 zone defenders take position ) Most coaches hate teams who play zone after a made basket and a man after a miss or vice versa. Anytime the defense can upset the " Offensive Rhythm " , the advantage favors the defense.

Do we have any coaches out there who enjoy coaching against teams who are unpredictable ( Talent is even )? Coaching was always easier for me when our opponents were predictable--never changed defenses or offenses. When playing baseball, I never enjoyed batting against a pitcher who changed speeds but one who was predictable.

 

[oldroundballer]

oldroundaller. no disrespect to your thread but changing defenses is much easier to change then changing offenses. Offenses need more rhythm then defenses. I also believe " Confusion " would lean more on the offensive side then the defensive side. ( never leave a live man while the 4 zone defenders take position ) Most coaches hate teams who play zone after a made basket and a man after a miss or vice versa. Anytime the defense can upset the " Offensive Rhythm " , the advantage favors the defense.

Do we have any coaches out there who enjoy coaching against teams who are unpredictable ( Talent is even )? Coaching was always easier for me when our opponents were predictable--never changed defenses or offenses. When playing baseball, I never enjoyed batting against a pitcher who changed speeds but one who was predictable.

Two different things. Changing each possession is fine and can work. Changing during a possession would be much more difficult to not leave people open in my opinion. I'd love to play against that. It should be easy to get open lanes to cut or drive as well as open shots. Everyone can't stay with a man until the others find their position. And again, if it worked why don't teams do it now? As 3R said, how does 5 seconds on the shot clock make much difference?

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Two different things. Changing each possession is fine and can work. Changing during a possession would be much more difficult to not leave people open in my opinion. I'd love to play against that. It should be easy to get open lanes to cut or drive as well as open shots. Everyone can't stay with a man until the others find their position. And again, if it worked why don't teams do it now? As 3R said, how does 5 seconds on the shot clock make much difference?

I agree. 5 seconds really doesn't matter. And besides, at that level, when late in the shot clock most teams to the exact same thing. Ball screen. Once the on ball defender is screened, the defense becomes a zone anyway. Coverages are nearly identical, especially with that little time to shoot.

 

[ww 1]

oldroundaller. no disrespect to your thread but changing defenses is much easier to change then changing offenses. Offenses need more rhythm then defenses. I also believe " Confusion " would lean more on the offensive side then the defensive side. ( never leave a live man while the 4 zone defenders take position ) Most coaches hate teams who play zone after a made basket and a man after a miss or vice versa. Anytime the defense can upset the " Offensive Rhythm " , the advantage favors the defense.

Do we have any coaches out there who enjoy coaching against teams who are unpredictable ( Talent is even )? Coaching was always easier for me when our opponents were predictable--never changed defenses or offenses. When playing baseball, I never enjoyed batting against a pitcher who changed speeds but one who was predictable.

I think a major difference in today's game is simply that there are very few surprises. The level of film exchange and software available at the high school level has changed significantly in my 22 years. In the past I could scout one or two games, now I can watch as many as I want on any given opponent, I can provide my players detailed video breakdowns. Coaches have always scouted, but it is at a different level in the modern game than it was in your day. There are very few surprises during the course of a game.

 

[metro-dude]

I think a major difference in today's game is simply that there are very few surprises. The level of film exchange and software available at the high school level has changed significantly in my 22 years. In the past I could scout one or two games, now I can watch as many as I want on any given opponent, I can provide my players detailed video breakdowns. Coaches have always scouted, but it is at a different level in the modern game than it was in your day. There are very few surprises during the course of a game.

ww1, i am not debating the software available and the film exchange. I am asking how coaches combat defensive changes to break offensive rhythm. Do you ( ww1 )have a different offense for 1 and 2 man front zones and a main and secondary offense against a man defense?

In a competitive game when the outcome will be decided by 1-2 baskets, making changes on defense could help disrupt the offense enough to change the outcome of a game however some coaches just play the game without making changes ( win or lose )

 

[ww 1]

You're missing the point. A team that does what you are describing doesn't just put that in, they do it all the time. We would have broken it down and found the weak point and make the offensive adjustment as seamlessly as they make the defensive adjustment. Our players would recognize defensive tendencies because we would have practiced them and make the adjustment on the fly. It would not surprise us, therefore be mostly ineffective because in your philosophy you are hoping to gain those few baskets through the element of surprise and I am telling you preparation trumps surprise.