The future could be bright if we have the courage and integrity
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I find it hard to believe that we can’t come up with enough alternatives to make the world better. But we have to overcome political pressure from the powerful oil companies.
Sometimes physics aka the laws of nature are a female dog to overcome...... Think rationally and not emotionally. Courage and integrity have nothing to do with how the Laws of physic work.
Do the new turbines get close to the Betz limit? What is the power curve data for different wind directions, what is the longevity of the product, and maintenance cost? They are tall 10ft plus a 6 foot box, they don't angle to the wind so you have and find constant wind location. If you combine them with Solar...which seems to be a must they will cast shadows and effect the SP ability to perform. So that limits their desirability when mated with Solar.
Pro's they appear to be cheap to make and can be put in a lot of places. But are they the answer to our future energy issues? I doubt it.
Don't get me wrong I hope this is all that it claims to be...but the easy wind/green energy sector claims have been so dodgy in the past I'm a bit skeptical of the claims in this Article. On the company web site they sort of run down other green energy wind turbines and less efficient solar energy, even while admitting these are really only for commercial purposes or multiple dwelling residences AKA apartments/condo's. That is suspect I mean they are not competing with other Green Energy system's really seems suspect to a degree.
I use to buy into all the BS that was thrown around by the Press about all the Green and cheap alternatives to fossil and nuclear fuel. But when you do a bit of homework on the subjects it just doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Germany literally has had to walk back from the whole green climate change policy's they enacted because you can't store Green Energy and the Weather is just so unpredictable. In a modern society you have to have cheap and reliable energy sources....... Green Energy is anything but that.
Green energy is often subsidized to make it profitable and doable. I'm not against wind and solar as a adjunct to our energy supply but unless we have a major break through in Nuclear or some experimental energy source then fossil fuels are going to be with us for a very long time.
If these pan out then if a huge percentage of the population started using them and solar they could be a great extender of our Current fossil fuels, but as a replacement I just don't see it.
Blaming Politics and Oil companies is just picking low hanging fruit.....
Do the new turbines get close to the Betz limit? What is the power curve data for different wind directions, what is the longevity of the product, and maintenance cost? They are tall 10ft plus a 6 foot box, they don't angle to the wind so you have and find constant wind location. If you combine them with Solar...which seems to be a must they will cast shadows and effect the SP ability to perform. So that limits their desirability when mated with Solar.
Pro's they appear to be cheap to make and can be put in a lot of places. But are they the answer to our future energy issues? I doubt it.
Don't get me wrong I hope this is all that it claims to be...but the easy wind/green energy sector claims have been so dodgy in the past I'm a bit skeptical of the claims in this Article. On the company web site they sort of run down other green energy wind turbines and less efficient solar energy, even while admitting these are really only for commercial purposes or multiple dwelling residences AKA apartments/condo's. That is suspect I mean they are not competing with other Green Energy system's really seems suspect to a degree.
I use to buy into all the BS that was thrown around by the Press about all the Green and cheap alternatives to fossil and nuclear fuel. But when you do a bit of homework on the subjects it just doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Germany literally has had to walk back from the whole green climate change policy's they enacted because you can't store Green Energy and the Weather is just so unpredictable. In a modern society you have to have cheap and reliable energy sources....... Green Energy is anything but that.
Green energy is often subsidized to make it profitable and doable. I'm not against wind and solar as a adjunct to our energy supply but unless we have a major break through in Nuclear or some experimental energy source then fossil fuels are going to be with us for a very long time.
If these pan out then if a huge percentage of the population started using them and solar they could be a great extender of our Current fossil fuels, but as a replacement I just don't see it.
Blaming Politics and Oil companies is just picking low hanging fruit.....
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Fossil fuels will be with us for a while after we are all gone, but they won't be with us for much longer in the scheme of things. Those who come after us will have to figure it out. Maybe by then they'll have figured out a viable way to use nuclear fusion to produce energy. Or maybe we won't make it that far and it will all be moot.
It’s easy as hell to stick with fossil fuels, pay huge sums to members of congress and just brain wash dumb voters into thinking climate change is a liberal hoax and all alternatives to gasoline are a waste of resources. If an alternative source is only viable if subsidized by the government…..so what? If it helps our environment then maybe it’s worth it. As soon as a new idea is introduced the attacks start immediately.
I saw a whole island in Florida with 5000 residents that not only survived the hurricane but NEVER lost power and they had winds up to 150mph. Its power supply is totally from a large field of solar panels. I didn't hear the guy say what they built their houses out of but none of them were destroyed and barely had any damage.
I have faith in science. Think of where we were one hundred years ago. Knowledge grows exponentially. Fund the science.
Cool story bro. But let’s focus on this century. How can we make this planet livable today and many tomorrows. Can we prevent the extremes that are plaguing us now, no matter what the cause? Who is going to be able to afford homeowners insurance at the rate we are headed? Looking to the past for an excuse to do nothing gets us nowhere.
I find it hard to believe anyone can really tell what happened here half a million years ago or 150,000 years ago.
LOL unity and attacking a problem is just hype and emotional propaganda..... what drives innovation is $$$$$$$ sure Tesla was a outlier in that dept. and because of that and his stupid choices he hampered long term innovation.
Money Drives new discovery's and New Tech. Very few people are going to go the distance for the greater good without the Profit Motivation in the equation and those that do follow that line will get trampled over, exploited and become a footnote in history.
A lot of Oil Companies are invested in Green tech. They know FF are limited in the Grand scheme of things so they have diversified. They have done this to maintain Profits......
Again the Major Obstacle to cheap green energy is physics..... We could have near 100% Green energy Now if we had went Whole Hog on Nuclear. But a couple of Nuclear Accidents and we throw out the Baby with the bath wash.
Wind and Solar is not the Answer the Demand for constant energy is to great.... the efficiency and availability is spotty and storage during peak production is not possible at this time.
Everybody wants cheap, efficient green energy. So there is unity on that, the rub is that a lot of people understand that is not going to happen overnight or even in our Lifespans or even our children's lifespans. Then you have others who believe that if some hippie movement happens and we all hold hands and work together some miracle will happen and Green Energy will manifest itself from all the good will. Or they believe that Forces have tamped down Green Energy from the masses with hidden Cabals and organizations.
At this time I'd say the World is investing at warp speed tons of resources in to fixing the reliance on FF..... The World has for the last 30 years. And in truth we have not gotten very far. Why.... again physics.
Big Oil and Big Govt would much like a cheap and reliable energy source they could profit even more from and control to gain even more power from. And believe me they will......
By that logic then how do you know that the planet will keep warming? You do know that the are basing Climate change on data they have gathered from the past and then compared the past to now right?
Ice cores and climate change
By extracting ice cores from Antarctica, scientists are able to travel more than 800,000 years back into Earth’s climate history
Ice cores and climate change - British Antarctic Survey
Introduction Ice cores are cylinders of ice drilled out of an ice sheet or glacier. Most ice core records come from Antarctica and Greenland, and the longest ice cores extend …
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See either you believe the Science or you don't. Cherry picking data and information won't stand up to scientific scrutiny and then the whole thesis will crumble.
If you don't believe the Ice core data then really you shouldn't believe in Global Warming/Climate change...
Factcheck: What Greenland ice cores say about past and present climate change
A misleading graph purporting to show that past changes in Greenland’s temperatures dwarf modern climate change has been circling the internet since at least 2010.
I do agree that the earth has been warmer for various reasons in the Past. But with that said it's pretty clear that Fossil Fuels and our Modern day of life has contributed to increased Warming/Climate change.
The question is will the current Climate Change be a So called Death spiral for human civilization in a fast fashion? Or will the most adaptable species on the plant be able to cope with the slow and creeping Climate change issues as we work to fix and mitigate them.
I tend to believe in the latter scenario....... All the Fear Mongering, Preaching, Chastising and Propaganda from the End is Nigh Climate change Crowd is the biggest issue we have. It is divisive and dividing without a doubt. That crowd offers no scientific or actual solutions...... getting rid of plastic straws, Electric Cars for everyone by 2030 without the Grid or Non-FF energy to power them, Climate Change Bills that have payouts and Kick Backs to everyone but actual people doing the work.
All band-aid feel good stuff that doesn't address the real issues.
That doesn't tell me how they know how many years ago what they find happened A million years? Really??? In the last hundred years or so we have data that was kept by humans as it happened.
The layers of the ice are counted each year has different layers, then those are verified by Chemical analysis and backed up by mathematical models. Not complicated......And humans can be inaccurate with data collection as well....
At the data I'm talking about was done by people who actually on this earth when it happened. I'll take my chances on their data.
You won't get me to argue about the weather stuff. Everybody is talking about how dry it's been right here in southeast Mo. and the Mississippi is sooo low the barges can't run. That has happened several times in my nearly 7 decades of living here and it was this low only 10 years ago. Pretty much everything about not enough rain, too much rain, the heat, the cold, whatever you can name it has happened many times before in my lifetime. We used to have a LOT more snow in this area than we've had in the last several years. Now a 6 inch snow is a major disaster for the city street and highway departments.
When 100 year floods are happening twice in five years. And in the same year we have severe droughts in other parts of the country. And in the same year we have high magnitude storms elsewhere. And in the same year we have record high temps in multiple states. Yes all of those things may have individually happened in the past. But have they happened with the frequency they are now occurring? All in one year? Is this common historically? IDK.
The warming ocean does indeed have a major impact on storms and the ocean temps are rising. What can we change to make it better? What if we don’t?
The warming ocean does indeed have a major impact on storms and the ocean temps are rising. What can we change to make it better? What if we don’t?
I hope we can and I'd bet the folks win Miami hope so too. All the stuff you mentioned is on record from people that kept records not from somebody drilling in the ice. That said I remember lots of 100 degree days when I was kid and while working on the RR. We just didn't know anything the 'heat index' then or I guess we would have all passed out everyday. Most folks can't even imagine how hot it gets on a RR track with creosote ties and all the rock and steel at your feet and no shade to be found. I know they can't imagine how hot it is on top of a car filled with new ties dripping with creosote and you have to grab them with pretty heavy duty gloves on your hands and wear a long sleeve shirt to try to keep the creosote from blistering the hide right off your arms. It gets worse as you unload the ties and get lower inside the car where you get no breeze. Man I forget how much fun that was. 😳
I agree the weather patterns have a cycle.....but the data also appears to show a slow and slight gradual warming over all of the earth and that has been contributed to mans use of Fossil Fuels. I would also think the massive explosion in population would have a effect as well.
My point is that the Climate change Paranoia screamers are over the top and fear mongering. Climate change is a threat but not a imminent threat of destruction in the next 2 centuries. It is pretty clear we are moving toward more efficient energy and doing what can be done to make the switch from Fossil fuels.
But to the Climate fear mongers it's not fast enough and anyone who asks questions about their methodology or analyzes their policies is labeled a insane heretic who needs to be dealt with harshly.
There is a middle ground on this.
Reduce the population.......or the West can stop brining our way of life to the population of the world.... that's what we can do to change it to make it better.
If we don't as a species we are very adaptable so we adjust.
That is a good one but you can reduce the Human Population like we have in the West with access to Birth Control. But I am working on my own version of a Infinity Gantlet. Mine just won't be Random with the snap LOL.
And it is not Feasible for near 8 billion people to live a Western live style with the availability of Fossil Fuels we currently have.
The more you split up the FF pie to provide energy to 3rd World countries so they can have 40-50 plus light bulbs in their houses, have computers, Cell Phones and Flat screen TV's, the scarcer and more pricey the energy supply becomes. Yes the 40/50 Light Bulbs is a bit of hyperbole but, with more of the world trying to consume and
In our stupid Illogical hippy mind set we somehow decided that Everyone in the World should have a two cars in every garage and a Chicken in every pot. Well that just isn't logically doable with near 8 billion people on the Planet.
The only way at this time to continue to bring up those countries is for our Lifestyle and Resource Use to decrease. I'm 100% against that.
Self diagnosing now are you Toots!! First step to recovery, it does bring me some joy to see that you are on your way to healing.
I also don't think we should be bringing people into line with our lifestyle. We'd blow through the planet's resources in less than 100 years if we did that. How about a worldwide IQ test and a strength test? Those are the two most important skill sets. Pass one or the other test on pain of death until we're down to around a billion in population.
I'm not a big fan of a World Govt or Coalition of Nation/Leaders trying to Social Engineer the masses and use their Standards for Life or Death. Each Nation should set their own policies and do what is best for the people within that nation.
Clearly trying to Bring a Western/American lifestyle to the world has been a massive Disaster and has us on the Brink of Collapse.
Wars are Usually fought over Religion or Resources or BOTH.
If Climate Change is a imminent threat to the World as many among the Global Reset crowd seem to scream it is with great zeal I will add... Then Population reduction is a must, and it can be done efficiently and quickly with Current Birth Control means.
I never have understood the Left.... they are always looking for Door Number 3 that doesn't exist.
Fix the Climate now but not Reduce the Worlds Population and Thus the Demand for FF energy............nope they seem to think some Magic Wind/SUN energy will do the Trick. Or us all Singing Kumbaya in a Hippie Circle and coming together will spur some unknown technology into existence to save the Planet.
P.S. I got your response was sarcastic....
Clearly trying to Bring a Western/American lifestyle to the world has been a massive Disaster and has us on the Brink of Collapse.
Wars are Usually fought over Religion or Resources or BOTH.
If Climate Change is a imminent threat to the World as many among the Global Reset crowd seem to scream it is with great zeal I will add... Then Population reduction is a must, and it can be done efficiently and quickly with Current Birth Control means.
I never have understood the Left.... they are always looking for Door Number 3 that doesn't exist.
Fix the Climate now but not Reduce the Worlds Population and Thus the Demand for FF energy............nope they seem to think some Magic Wind/SUN energy will do the Trick. Or us all Singing Kumbaya in a Hippie Circle and coming together will spur some unknown technology into existence to save the Planet.
P.S. I got your response was sarcastic....
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. I agree makes you wonder why the Elites are targeting Cheap Abundant Food and Oil? The Netherlands is the Second Biggest exporter of Food in the World Behind the U.S. look at the insanity that is going on there. Targeting Farmers with excess Climate BS of manure... but ignoring, aviation, construction or transportation... Strange indeed that you go after food production a necessity for life and ignore other less important area's of modern life.
Take away cheap food and Energy and make the masses dependent on the Power Elites to keep the lights on and their Bellies full and you have unlimited control. Scarcity is a powerful weapon when you control the resources!!
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Seems weird that the Current Administration has blown up our alliance with SA, is sending Oil at a insane rate over sea's and is all in on a BS war that as caused a Energy crisis around the Globe. Makes you think why they have done nothing about the Supply chain issues that effect all levels of Food production and distribution of said food in this country. Fertilizer is costing a insane amount, basic farming supplies are outrageous HMMMM
Take away cheap food and Energy and make the masses dependent on the Power Elites to keep the lights on and their Bellies full and you have unlimited control. Scarcity is a powerful weapon when you control the resources!!
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Seems weird that the Current Administration has blown up our alliance with SA, is sending Oil at a insane rate over sea's and is all in on a BS war that as caused a Energy crisis around the Globe. Makes you think why they have done nothing about the Supply chain issues that effect all levels of Food production and distribution of said food in this country. Fertilizer is costing a insane amount, basic farming supplies are outrageous HMMMM
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Just wait til RR workers go on strike in a about a week and see what happens to the supply chain. It appears they have dug in their heels over paid sick leave and the RR's aren't budging on giving it to them.
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