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Studies Show There are No Measurable Benefits, so Why Such a Push?

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Earlier this month, by the narrowest of margins, Betsy DeVos was confirmed as President Donald Trump's secretary of education.

Her confirmation marked a win for parents looking for greater school choice - the ability to pluck a child from his or her public school and get a subsidy to place the child in a private, charter, or home school instead.

One of the chief means by which parents make that switch is a system both DeVos and Trump have long supported: school vouchers.

Vouchers act as a kind of gift certificate. They are worth a specific dollar amount and can be used only to pay for schooling. But with these programs in the spotlight, a roiling debate has developed as to whether vouchers actually help kids or if, as critics suggest, the programs could lead to the downfall of public schools.

Does it work?
Voucher programs today are generally small in nature, with about 400,000 US kids participating in them. Indiana, which has the most students who use vouchers of any state, still sees only about 3% of its students rely on those programs.

Studies on voucher programs in states such as Ohio, Louisiana, and Indiana have not found much evidence that they move the needle on student outcomes. With the exception of a couple of outlier programs, which have found either great success or notable declines in outcomes, American voucher programs seem to have a negligible effect on how students fare.

"These are very well-done studies," Mark Dynarski, an education researcher and voucher expert, tells Business Insider. "And what they're showing is incontrovertible evidence that no, those kids did not learn more."

In 2016, researchers from the University of Arkansas published a meta-analysis - essentially a study of multiple prior studies - evaluating 11 programs around the world. Danish Shakeel, one of the study's coauthors, says the team saw slight gains in students' reading abilities but primarily in programs outside the US.

"If you are focusing only within the US, the effects for reading were null," Shakeel tells Business Insider.

Fears about the future
Much of the debate around vouchers concerns what might happen if DeVos expands vouchers in the US. Skeptics fear the programs could gut public schools by drawing away students and draining their funding.

Research suggests vouchers haven't had much impact on schools - at least not yet. Because voucher programs are small, it's difficult to determine whether this means they don't harm public schools or whether they just aren't yet big enough to do damage. In Indiana, only 3% of students get vouchers, while about 10 to 15% of kids nationwide move in and out of a school over a typical year.

"Given the kinds of waves happening inside schools," Dynarski says, "it's hard to see how vouchers actually cause the school to stop what they're doing and say, 'We need a plan to respond.'"

Patrick Wolf, a University of Arkansas voucher researcher, adds that the 53 school-choice programs around the US "haven't thrown any traditional public school system into a doomsday death spiral" but have forced some low-performing schools to take a hard look in the mirror.

His research indicates voucher programs can lead principals to improve their school's education programs to stay competitive. This tends to violate the assumption that public schools are defenseless against student loss.

Church and state
One fear about vouchers that does seem supported by evidence, however, is that the programs can prop up religious schools.

A study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research on February 13 found that the majority of Catholic schools that accept vouchers in Milwaukee rely on those taxpayer funds to stay afloat. The study included data from 1999 to 2013 from 71 parishes across the city.

Dynarski says that situation could lead the Catholic church to become an advocacy group for voucher programs, regardless of whether the programs help kids perform better in school. "Now you would have the Catholic dioceses arguing on behalf of vouchers, because it's now become intrinsic to their business operations," he says. "And that just seems a little strange to me."

Shakeel says that overall the results of voucher programs are too modest to support arguments in favor of giving all district their own programs. As for whether to expand some voucher programs and how to do so, he says he'd like policymakers to take a more empirical approach to decision-making.

"If the public is aware of the evidence," he says, "we can make decisions based on evidence and not based on news that's not backed by data.
 
Didn't we just answer this? Clueless. Kids don't get shot at Catholic Schools.
 
Please don't post on my threads.

You realize don't you that all of your liberal friends are now hidden under the Dark Rock of IGNORE.
Why not tell them to come back and fight in the arena of ideas rather than hide in the cover of darkness?
 
I'm curious what the cost per student is in the average public school?

I'm also curious how much the voucher would be worth to each family?

Another question is will this money no longer go to the public-school if a voucher is issued in that students name?
 
Children will not benefit from school vouchers. Why? You have no evidence. You have a standardized test score. What about students that go on to college? Measure this, educated in a safe environment versus unsafe environment. This is ridiculous.
 
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Children will not benefit from school vouchers. Why? You have no evidence. You have a standardized test score. What about students that go on to college? Measure this, educated in a safe environment versus unsafe environment. This is ridiculous.
The studies do not attempt to account for other variables that make them successful. This is a case of drawing a conclusion from a study commissioned for the purpose of derailing vouchers.
 
Children will not benefit from school vouchers. Why? You have no evidence. You have a standardized test score. What about students that go on to college? Measure this, educated in a safe environment versus unsafe environment. This is ridiculous.
While standardized tests are not the be all end all they are the best we have in many cases. The results align with common sense in the aggregate.

When charters and voucher programs mean "new schools full of the same poor kids" they don't appear to improve achievement.

What would be much more interesting is looking at what sorts of charters are working well to see what differences appear to be working.
 
You realize don't you that all of your liberal friends are now hidden under the Dark Rock of IGNORE.
Why not tell them to come back and fight in the arena of ideas rather than hide in the cover of darkness?

No one wants to deal with your nonsense.

I don't blame them.
 
I'm curious what the cost per student is in the average public school?

I'm also curious how much the voucher would be worth to each family?

Another question is will this money no longer go to the public-school if a voucher is issued in that students name?
Bottom line, Devos would have to be a radical activist to fundamentally change failing schools. I really don't think her impact will amount to a hill of beans.
Go to the DESE site. Enjoy;)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiL3Jyd4LLSAhWp5oMKHVrmBz0QFggqMAI&url=https://mcds.dese.mo.gov/guidedinquiry/District%20and%20School%20Information/School%20Finance%20Report.aspx&usg=AFQjCNFypzl6wNHtLFVIxokgkx7a4dl8ww&sig2=avofVhVKLnMaAer28GSb8g

2015

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-education-in-one-map/?utm_term=.ecc19af2705c
Obviously, depending on the school/cost, a voucher will not cover the entire tuition.
States handle the details.
 
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No child left behind, common core, performance-based outcomes, renamed and repackaged educational techniques.... Initiatives out the ying yang, It all comes down to the teacher from bell to bell, the parents from cradle to grad school and the students merit.

The best principals are politicians that keep parents off the teachers tail, eliminate the squeaky whiny teachers, hire bubbly blondes, make sure the band teacher and football team don't suck, when all else fails back the parents over the teacher, smile and glad-hand the public, fire piss poor performance, create a school culture prevents the inmates from running the asylum, talk educational mumbo jumbo to appear smart, pile on busy work initiatives to justify their position, give the illusion they want collaboration but are complete autocrats behind closed doors. The Doctorates of Education have Ph.D.'s piled higher and deeper of sh**.
 
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No child left behind, common core, performance-based outcomes, renamed and repackaged educational techniques.... Initiatives out the ying yang, It all comes down to the teacher from bell to bell, the parents from cradle to grad school and the students merit.

The best principals are politicians that keep parents off the teachers tail, eliminate the squeaky whiny teachers, hire bubbly blondes, make sure the band teacher and football team don't suck, when all else fails back the parents over the teacher, smile and glad-hand the public, fire piss poor performance, create a school culture prevents the inmates from running the asylum, talk educational mumbo jumbo to appear smart, pile on busy work initiatives to justify their position, give the illusion they want collaboration but are complete autocrats behind closed doors. The Doctorates of Education have Ph.D.'s piled higher and deeper of sh**.

You sure are bitter Fistoh. Did you get bullied in school? Time to get over it snowflake.
 
No child left behind, common core, performance-based outcomes, renamed and repackaged educational techniques.... Initiatives out the ying yang, It all comes down to the teacher from bell to bell, the parents from cradle to grad school and the students merit.

The best principals are politicians that keep parents off the teachers tail, eliminate the squeaky whiny teachers, hire bubbly blondes, make sure the band teacher and football team don't suck, when all else fails back the parents over the teacher, smile and glad-hand the public, fire piss poor performance, create a school culture prevents the inmates from running the asylum, talk educational mumbo jumbo to appear smart, pile on busy work initiatives to justify their position, give the illusion they want collaboration but are complete autocrats behind closed doors. The Doctorates of Education have Ph.D.'s piled higher and deeper of sh**.
I like the bubbly blonde and Autocratic Principal.:cool:
 
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