Southwest Missouri conference realignment

[royals.chiefs]

I went ahead and started this thread so we wouldn't hijack the class 6 district 4 thread!

Frog I was thinking more along the lines .

Joplin
Webb City
Carthage
Neosho
Carl Junction
Willard
Glendale
Kickapoo
Nixa
Ozark
Parkview
Republic
Hillcrest
Branson

The Joplin area schools will play every year the Springfield area schools will play four games guaranteed local then the rest are all mixed up trying to keep larger schools together like Joplin plays Kickapoo and Nixa every year Carl Junction vs Hillcrest Republic etc. etc .....

Example : Webb City schedule

Joplin
Carthage
Carl junction
Neosho
Nixa
Willard
Glendale
Kickapoo
Pittsburg
Maybe allow one out of conference game a year!

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

They only problems I see is that it would be almost impossible to have a true conference champ with that many teams not to mention the all conference teams would be tough to figure out.

I would say make it a small and large division that changes every couple years like in KC but in that format Webb City would always be in the small division and Joplin the large.

Maybe the COC and OC could just trade Joplin for say Branson (nothing against Branson but longest trip for WC and closest trip for West Plains) and that would help travel for Joplin although Branson would have to go on some fairly long trips.

 

[royals.chiefs]

Yes I suppose but Branson would never go for that and if they split it large and small Webb City would be bored to tears! Lol There would not be a conference champion with that set up but I'm OK with that I got at most people would be though

Well I Yes there could be an east and west champ!!

 

[royals.chiefs]

East west champs but still playCross conference opponents. Eight guaranteed games one out of conference game!
Done !

I believe there are changes coming have no proof bit I think it will happen.

 

[MIZ...ZOU]

Get rid of conferences. Play your last 7 games as "district play". Too 4 of 8 move on.

 

[sw5890]

Get rid of conferences. Play your last 7 games as "district play". Too 4 of 8 move on.

I have mixed feelings on conferences. On one hand it duplicates some of the season, at least for some COC teams...were Carthage to make it 3 games into playoffs, it is plausible if not likely that the next 3 games could all be against teams they have already played. I just think it's more interesting to see other teams and the dynamics of a different match up. But it also lets schools have some say in who they compete best with given their program and the programs of their neighbors regardless of enrollment. For example, I would be disappointed if Carthage moving up to C5 meant that Webb no longer played them until WC moves up or Carthage back down. I also still think it makes more sense for the teams around Joplin to play Joplin instead of Branson. Nothing against Branson, they are just really far away. Joplin would make for a better game for CJ, Webb, Carthage, and Neosho and I bet the fans would be much more likely to make the 15 minute commute to Junge stadium than 2 hours to Branson. Sure Joplin has double the enrollment but the beauty of conferences is that numbers aren't the sole factor in putting teams together.

I would like to see these Joplin area teams grouped together then rotate or have some kind of agreement with the COC or whatever would become of the springfield area C4-C6 teams to fill out the schedule. If naming a conference champ is important, which apparently it is to some, then just base it on the 5 Joplin area teams.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

As for Webb City, ditching a conference for just playing 7 district games would be a disaster. WC's schedule next year would look like this:

Carthage
Neosho
Pittsburg
Carl Junction
Bolivar
Marshfield
Logan Rogersville
McDonald County
West Plains (or maybe Nevada is West Plains moved East)
Hillcrest

No thanks. I think conferences should be of teams of generally equal enrollment and ability but it is for all sports geography should be a big consideration. Some of these districts would require teams to travel huge distances every week they travel.

It would be great if there was a way to have Joplin in the COC with WC,Carthage,Neosho and CJ. I'm sure Joplin would rather travel under 20 minutes for all those games as opposed to a minimum of a 1 1/4 hour trip to Hillcrest. IMO the COC has been the better league overall the past several years but a bunch of OC and COC teams are pretty much interchangeable in terms of size. Both leagues are mostly C5 nowadays.

 

[royals.chiefs]

As for Webb City, ditching a conference for just playing 7 district games would be a disaster. WC's schedule next year would look like this:

Carthage
Neosho
Pittsburg
Carl Junction
Bolivar
Marshfield
Logan Rogersville
McDonald County
West Plains (or maybe Nevada is West Plains moved East)
Hillcrest

No thanks. I think conferences should be of teams of generally equal enrollment and ability but it is for all sports geography should be a big consideration. Some of these districts would require teams to travel huge distances every week they travel.

It would be great if there was a way to have Joplin in the COC with WC,Carthage,Neosho and CJ. I'm sure Joplin would rather travel under 20 minutes for all those games as opposed to a minimum of a 1 1/4 hour trip to Hillcrest. IMO the COC has been the better league overall the past several years but a bunch of OC and COC teams are pretty much interchangeable in terms of size. Both leagues are mostly C5 nowadays.

I think (hope) Joplin continues to try an get in the coc . It would be great for crowds at games.

 

[MIZ...ZOU]

As for Webb City, ditching a conference for just playing 7 district games would be a disaster.

/QUOTE]

Sorry? Count all the kids and move up....I kid

 

[tigershs]

How about 2 6 team conferences with some sort to cross play provision.

COC WEST
CarlJunction
Carthage
Joplin
Monett
Neosho
Webb City

COC EAST
Bolivar
Branson
Nixa
Ozark
Republic
Willard

 

[MIZ...ZOU]

As for Webb City, ditching a conference for just playing 7 district games would be a disaster. WC's schedule next year would look like this:

Carthage
Neosho
Pittsburg
Carl Junction
Bolivar
Marshfield
Logan Rogersville
McDonald County
West Plains (or maybe Nevada is West Plains moved East)
Hillcrest

No thanks. I think conferences should be of teams of generally equal enrollment and ability but it is for all sports geography should be a big consideration. Some of these districts would require teams to travel huge distances every week they travel.

It would be great if there was a way to have Joplin in the COC with WC,Carthage,Neosho and CJ. I'm sure Joplin would rather travel under 20 minutes for all those games as opposed to a minimum of a 1 1/4 hour trip to Hillcrest. IMO the COC has been the better league overall the past several years but a bunch of OC and COC teams are pretty much interchangeable in terms of size. Both leagues are mostly C5 nowadays.

Seriously though you could play Carthage, Pittsburgh, and say Jeff City? How is this any different from every year? Some good ones, some average, and some laughers....same as every year.

 

[wc3peat]

Who actually is in charge of making these decisions? Is it 100% MSHAA or do like ten A.D.s get together and compromise and create their own league and then get MSHAA approval. Im guessing WEBB couldn't just say we're tired of playing in this conference so we're going to another, so how does it actually work?"

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

How about 2 6 team conferences with some sort to cross play provision.

COC WEST
CarlJunction
Carthage
Joplin
Monett
Neosho
Webb City

COC EAST
Bolivar
Branson
Nixa
Ozark
Republic
Willard

That could work. Play teams in opposite division in 2 years cycles home and away and teams in same division every year. 8 conference games, 1 non-conf game which could still be against one of the other division teams if both teams opted to do that.

 

[royals.chiefs]

Supers, AD and coaches can make these decisions I assume. Probably need mshssa blessing.

 

[HoldMyTrophy]

How about 2 6 team conferences with some sort to cross play provision.

COC WEST
CarlJunction
Carthage
Joplin
Monett
Neosho
Webb City

COC EAST
Bolivar
Branson
Nixa
Ozark
Republic
Willard

You forgot McDonald County. Sure they are down in terms of quality right now but they are a strong size Class 4 school for football and still growing although a little slower. They are larger than both CJ and Monett so in fairness they need to be in the equation.

 

[tigershs]

Thought about that. I like 2 6 team conferences better but how about 2 7 team conferences? However I Think Mcdonald co is very happy to be in big 8 and Marshfield would probably want no part of this.

COC WEST
CarlJunction
Carthage
Joplin
McDonald Co.
Monett
Neosho
Webb City

COC EAST
Bolivar
Branson
Marshfield
Nixa
Ozark
Republic
Willard

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

I think Springfield Central might be a better fit than Marshfield right now for football.

 

[royals.chiefs]

Thought about that. I like 2 6 team conferences better but how about 2 7 team conferences? However I Think Mcdonald co is very happy to be in big 8 and Marshfield would probably want no part of this.

COC WEST
CarlJunction
Carthage
Joplin
McDonald Co.
Monett
Neosho
Webb City

COC EAST
Bolivar
Branson
Marshfield
Nixa
Ozark
Republic
Willard[/QUOT

Until Monett is class 4 this wouldn't be a good fit plus the big 8 is a good fit for them. I'm looking at larger gates and less travel .

 

[greenergrass]

How about 2 6 team conferences with some sort to cross play provision.

COC WEST
CarlJunction
Carthage
Joplin
Monett
Neosho
Webb City

COC EAST
Bolivar
Branson
Nixa
Ozark
Republic
Willard

Why would Monett want to be in a conference with a 6A school. I'm thinking All sports. Will never happen

 

[tigershs]

Monett will probably be class 4 next cycle

 

[tigershs]

Why would Monett want to be in a conference with a 6A school. I'm thinking All sports. Will never happen

Normally they wouldnt want to but.......Its Joplin !!

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

The very very unofficial, unconfirmed enrollment # for Monett that was on the DESE website was 722 which would have them in all probability moving into C4.

Mind you Joplin has 2.5X enrollment and most of the other schools would be nearly double so I could understand if Monett wanted to stay in the Big 8 if this scenario came up but I think Monett would probably compete reasonably well and they are probably going to be in a district with Webb CIty, Carl Junction and at the rate some teams are dropping out of C1 and C2, probably Carthage.

None of this is happening anyway so it is just a mental exercise.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Thought about that. I like 2 6 team conferences better but how about 2 7 team conferences? However I Think Mcdonald co is very happy to be in big 8 and Marshfield would probably want no part of this.

COC WEST
CarlJunction
Carthage
Joplin
McDonald Co.
Monett
Neosho
Webb City

COC EAST
Bolivar
Branson
Marshfield
Nixa
Ozark
Republic
Willard

In all honest if you were to include Monett they could go in either the east or west as they are smack in the middle. Football competition wise this year the East would have been a better fit looking at the teams I see 3-4 possible wins and the rest I would call a push. In the west I see 1 win 2 possible pushes and the rest would be probable loses.

Yes Monett is going to be over 700 and this will not be the first time we have hit that magic number just probable the first time we have done it during the cycle that they do the classifications. I mean the town is almost 9,500 so very comparable to the other towns, just most of ours is young families. Now Monett is growing every business is hiring and looking to hire more and the Chamber is on every news channel getting the word out as we have lots of jobs but nobody to fill them. So if we every get people to move in and take these jobs and the 4-5 housing developments that are started get finish I could see us staying class 4 and just continuing to grow. But we will see.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

In all honest if you were to include Monett they could go in either the east or west as they are smack in the middle. Football competition wise this year the East would have been a better fit looking at the teams I see 3-4 possible wins and the rest I would call a push. In the west I see 1 win 2 possible pushes and the rest would be probable loses.

Yes Monett is going to be over 700 and this will not be the first time we have hit that magic number just probable the first time we have done it during the cycle that they do the classifications. I mean the town is almost 9,500 so very comparable to the other towns, just most of ours is young families. Now Monett is growing every business is hiring and looking to hire more and the Chamber is on every news channel getting the word out as we have lots of jobs but nobody to fill them. So if we every get people to move in and take these jobs and the 4-5 housing developments that are started get finish I could see us staying class 4 and just continuing to grow. But we will see.

Not sucking up bullit but if I wasn't a Webbie I think Monett would be a good place to live. Golf course is first rate, city park is nice, good restaurants and when Frog Jr was younger he played in some basketball tournaments down there and always had a good time.

By no means do I think Monett has outgrown the Big 8. With CJ leaving the league I think Monett is probably the main stumbling block for Lamar in the league and the enrollment is more in line with the current member schools and most of Monett's conference games are less than 30 minute trips. It does appear though the Monett is probably going to move solidly into class 4 over the next several years so it might be a better fit over the long haul.

 

[BearsCountry]

Add Bolivar to the COC, Central and Marshfield to the Ozark.

COC plays everybody in football. Ozark plays their division, plus 4 games from the other division. Springfield schools get their "local" conference back, the other schools get closer games for the most part. I would have the schedule set up, first two weeks are other division games, next 5 are division games, last 2 back to the other division.

COC
Bolivar
Branson
Carl Junction
Carthage
Neosho
Nixa
Ozark
Republic
Webb City
Willard

Ozark Conference
Eastern
Camdenton
Lebanon
Marshfield
Rolla
Waynesville
West Plains

Western
Central
Glendale
Hillcrest
Joplin
Kickapoo
Parkview

 

[cardsbeatwriter]

Just let Joplin into the COC-Large.

Realignment done!

 

[yankeeintheozarks]

Just let Joplin into the COC-Large.

Realignment done!

Didn't you read the old post about how Webb and everyone else in the COC doesn't want Joplin? According to that, it will never happen. Pay attention!!!!!

 

[Pinochet]

In all honest if you were to include Monett they could go in either the east or west as they are smack in the middle. Football competition wise this year the East would have been a better fit looking at the teams I see 3-4 possible wins and the rest I would call a push. In the west I see 1 win 2 possible pushes and the rest would be probable loses.

Yes Monett is going to be over 700 and this will not be the first time we have hit that magic number just probable the first time we have done it during the cycle that they do the classifications. I mean the town is almost 9,500 so very comparable to the other towns, just most of ours is young families. Now Monett is growing every business is hiring and looking to hire more and the Chamber is on every news channel getting the word out as we have lots of jobs but nobody to fill them. So if we every get people to move in and take these jobs and the 4-5 housing developments that are started get finish I could see us staying class 4 and just continuing to grow. But we will see.

There is a lot of talk about Monett moving up to class 4 and how they will be competitive. How are they going to be when this Junior class graduates? I've heard from some Monett people they don't have much coming in regards to talent and they are getting ready to move up a class, any truth to this?

 

[cardsbeatwriter]

Didn't you read the old post about how Webb and everyone else in the COC doesn't want Joplin? According to that, it will never happen. Pay attention!!!!!

Didn't you read where that statement was false Yankee Doodle Dandy?

 

[UNCLERICO22]

Just let Joplin into the COC-Large.

Realignment done!

Should be an easy move since Joplin is just barely over the magical 1000 student requirement to join the COC Large.

 

[bullitpdq68]

There is a lot of talk about Monett moving up to class 4 and how they will be competitive. How are they going to be when this Junior class graduates? I've heard from some Monett people they don't have much coming in regards to talent and they are getting ready to move up a class, any truth to this?

Be just fine..

 

[Counter All Day]

Joplin already plays everybody in the COC in the other sports so adding them in the conference wouldn't be that big a deal. If the other members don't want Joplin, it's probably because there is enough self-absorbed and conceited members already in with the Spfld area bunch.

 

[sw5890]

I still would like to see the coc called something else. Webb, Carthage, and CJ aren't really even in the 'Ozarks' and none of the members are in the central Ozarks. I think of waynesville, Lebanon, camdenton as being in central Ozarks. Not that it matters, just seems like a misfit name to describe the geography of the members.

 

[royals.chiefs]

Joplin already plays everybody in the COC in the other sports so adding them in the conference wouldn't be that big a deal. If the other members don't want Joplin, it's probably because there is enough self-absorbed and conceited members already in with the Spfld area bunch.

lol feel the Joplin love. You forgot to add Webb City to that list if your talking conceited and self absorbed. I guess the tornado togetherness is over lol.
I would think Webb would beg for Joplin to get into the COC.

 

[cardsbeatwriter]

lol feel the Joplin love. You forgot to add Webb City to that list if your talking conceited and self absorbed. I guess the tornado togetherness is over lol.
I would think Webb would beg for Joplin to get into the COC.

Joplin has WC's support for COC membership, always has!

 

[Hurts Donut]

Joplin has WC's support for COC membership, always has!

Who are you speaking for?

 

[royals.chiefs]

Who are you speaking for?

card beat may be more powerful than we know. lol

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Joplin has WC's support for COC membership, always has!

I like Branson. Love the imax, good restaurants, football stadium is first rate and though it has been a few years Branson has had some very good teams. Still for a road game I'd rather make the 15 minute drive to watch WC play at Junge Stadium than drive 1 3/4 on a Friday night to Branson. (More likely watch online). If anything with Glendale and Parkview getting closer to C4 and Hillcrest and West Plains C4 and Nixa approaching C6 the COC would probably be a better fit for Joplin even at its size.

 

[Counter All Day]

lol feel the Joplin love. You forgot to add Webb City to that list if your talking conceited and self absorbed. I guess the tornado togetherness is over lol.
I would think Webb would beg for Joplin to get into the COC.

Aside from the jackwagons on this board, I would say that noone associated with the WC football program is conceited or self absorbed. Also, I know that WC would have no problem with Joplin joining the COC.

 

[cardsbeatwriter]

Who are you speaking for?

New posters have been coming out of the wood work lately and I am not sure if they are friend or foe lol.