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Biden already Air Striking Syria!!! That was quick.....

And there is this which is Even MORE STRANGE.....https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9296823/Democrats-ask-Biden-sole-authority-launch-nuclear-strikes.html

Is Biden that out of it that the Dems don't want him having control of the Nuclear Football?

Sure the article had to throw Trump in there as a bit of cover..... you know the Prez. who brokered several Peace deals in last Six's months of office but he was gonna start WW3 such laughable propaganda but that is the Norm.

But clearly the real story has to be that Biden can't be trusted with that power or at least some Democrats feel that way.
 
Biden already Air Striking Syria!!! That was quick.....

And there is this which is Even MORE STRANGE.....https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9296823/Democrats-ask-Biden-sole-authority-launch-nuclear-strikes.html

Is Biden that out of it that the Dems don't want him having control of the Nuclear Football?

Sure the article had to throw Trump in there as a bit of cover..... you know the Prez. who brokered several Peace deals in last Six's months of office but he was gonna start WW3 such laughable propaganda but that is the Norm.

But clearly the real story has to be that Biden can't be trusted with that power or at least some Democrats feel that way.
What are you smokin today?
 
Nothing why do dem's want to take away Biden's Nuclear Football? Weird...you can't have a committee if the other side launches first.
 
A little projecting there?

I'm fine with Biden having the Nuclear Football. I never gave it a second thought when he was elected Pres. that he was going to launch a attack in error....It's Dem's who are worried about this, not me....

A bit of deflection away from the Dem's who are not trusting him....
 
I don't think one person having complete power to wipe out mankind is a good idea.

Truth of the matter is if any nuclear strike is used mankind as we know it will be no more....
 
The airstrike was in retaliation of the Feb 15 bombing of coalition forces in Iraq. I have no problem with that.
 
Biden already Air Striking Syria!!! That was quick.....

And there is this which is Even MORE STRANGE.....https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9296823/Democrats-ask-Biden-sole-authority-launch-nuclear-strikes.html

Is Biden that out of it that the Dems don't want him having control of the Nuclear Football?

Sure the article had to throw Trump in there as a bit of cover..... you know the Prez. who brokered several Peace deals in last Six's months of office but he was gonna start WW3 such laughable propaganda but that is the Norm.

But clearly the real story has to be that Biden can't be trusted with that power or at least some Democrats feel that way.

The Daily Mail? A tabloid? The Mail is not a bastion of reliability. They are better than, say, the National Enquirer or the Sun, so I'll give you that. What they're really good at is using bombastic and/or misleading language, mostly in the headlines, but also in the text of their articles. They are a good source when you want to prove a conservative talking point but don't want to do the actual research.

So basically, they took the actual fact that 31 House Democrats sent Biden a letter asking him to support proposals to expand the number of people who must approve the use of Nuclear weapons beyond just the president and added their own supposition into it that it had to be because of Biden's mental fitness.

Nothing in the letter mentioned his mental fitness or even implied it nor did it indicate that they requested it because he was elected. In fact, it looks to me like it's mostly referring to Trump and Nixon's behavior and threats (you know, when it says "past presidents" and then cites Trump tweets and Nixon administration officials) with an eye to and all presidents from now on. If you would like to see the actual text of the letter, instead of the Fox/Mail/Post interpretation of it, it is below.

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Thanks r14, I wondered what the hub bug was about. So Fox twisted things to take a shot at Biden?? Say it ain't so, Joe!!
 
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Nothing why do dem's want to take away Biden's Nuclear Football? Weird...you can't have a committee if the other side launches first.
Thta is NOT what the letter said they want to do. I most certainly would have felt better about it if Trump was not the ONLY one to make that call. You can't involve a bunch of people in that decision but it could be more than one for the final call. I can't imagine our president ever calling for a first strike.
 
I don't think one person having complete power to wipe out mankind is a good idea.

Truth of the matter is if any nuclear strike is used mankind as we know it will be no more....


Yes and no if a opposing force nukes a few cities in America and we don't retaliate then we could easily be conquered and the whole world isn't a waste land, fall out after 49 hours is about nothing back to normal levels as we now use thermonuclear devices .....but if someone else launches are we going to committee which could be a rather long delay. That could actually make using Nuclear weapons more attractive as opposed to the No win situation it is now.
 
The Daily Mail? A tabloid? The Mail is not a bastion of reliability. They are better than, say, the National Enquirer or the Sun, so I'll give you that. What they're really good at is using bombastic and/or misleading language, mostly in the headlines, but also in the text of their articles. They are a good source when you want to prove a conservative talking point but don't want to do the actual research.

So basically, they took the actual fact that 31 House Democrats sent Biden a letter asking him to support proposals to expand the number of people who must approve the use of Nuclear weapons beyond just the president and added their own supposition into it that it had to be because of Biden's mental fitness.

Nothing in the letter mentioned his mental fitness or even implied it nor did it indicate that they requested it because he was elected. In fact, it looks to me like it's mostly referring to Trump and Nixon's behavior and threats (you know, when it says "past presidents" and then cites Trump tweets and Nixon administration officials) with an eye to and all presidents from now on. If you would like to see the actual text of the letter, instead of the Fox/Mail/Post interpretation of it, it is below.

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So let's see you claim the paper is a Conservative Shill in one paragraph....even though the article attacks Trump rather blatantly....which lines up with the official document summation to a degree in a effort by you to discredit the easily seen through veil that Some Dem's don't trust Biden with the power to launch Nukes. That is a stretch.
Clearly some Dem's are not in favor of Biden having that power....this never came about when Obama/Clinton/Carter/Johnson/Kennedy where in office. Why now with a President that has shown some degraded mental abilities? I think it's obvious, but spin it how you want.

You cannot have a committee or a process to Launch Nukes. If we elect a Crazy War Monger or someone who is mentally incompetent then that is the consequence we must endure.

And it's track record of Being reliable is better than the Wash. Post,NY Times or Yahoo news.
 
Thta is NOT what the letter said they want to do. I most certainly would have felt better about it if Trump was not the ONLY one to make that call. You can't involve a bunch of people in that decision but it could be more than one for the final call. I can't imagine our president ever calling for a first strike.


I'd think having the Vice President and Speaker of the House involved with the President in the decision that you now have a group of people ie....a committee and then FEMA is also involved to insure prompt communication which is the Most idiotic thing ever put down on paper, when I read that I had to laugh out loud. I really want FEMA tracking elected Officials and being in charge of Communication in a Crisis ohhhh that is a hoot.
 
I would think the Pentagon and military leaders would have tremendous influence to launch a nuke.
 
Yes and no if a opposing force nukes a few cities in America and we don't retaliate then we could easily be conquered and the whole world isn't a waste land, fall out after 49 hours is about nothing back to normal levels as we now use thermonuclear devices .....but if someone else launches are we going to committee which could be a rather long delay. That could actually make using Nuclear weapons more attractive as opposed to the No win situation it is now.

A buddy of mine told me who is still in the military, most of our nukes are set to go off after we are bombed if nobody is left around to say hey do not launch them....sort of a sorry loser outcome....Russia is pretty much the same way it is a big deterrent not to take out the leaders first.
It is the offensive outcome that sort of scares me. After Trump showed us what a leader who is not willing to accept defeat is capable of doing ....you sort of fear how much do they really control those nukes.
 
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I would think the Pentagon and military leaders would have tremendous influence to launch a nuke.
They do and all involved have to give him the info they have, and I'm sure a recommendation, but the President can order it any time he wants and they have do it, if it's a 'legal command' but how would they determine that in a couple of minutes?
 
I'm fine with Biden having the Nuclear Football. I never gave it a second thought when he was elected Pres. that he was going to launch a attack in error....It's Dem's who are worried about this, not me....

A bit of deflection away from the Dem's who are not trusting him....
Nope, you are hoping that they think Biden can't be trusted by the Dems. The Dems are worried about the seditionist getting re-elected in 2024.
There has to be some checks on launching nukes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stani...dged the reports to,a large-scale nuclear war.
 
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So let's see you claim the paper is a Conservative Shill in one paragraph....even though the article attacks Trump rather blatantly....which lines up with the official document summation to a degree in a effort by you to discredit the easily seen through veil that Some Dem's don't trust Biden with the power to launch Nukes. That is a stretch.
Clearly some Dem's are not in favor of Biden having that power....this never came about when Obama/Clinton/Carter/Johnson/Kennedy where in office. Why now with a President that has shown some degraded mental abilities? I think it's obvious, but spin it how you want.

You cannot have a committee or a process to Launch Nukes. If we elect a Crazy War Monger or someone who is mentally incompetent then that is the consequence we must endure.

And it's track record of Being reliable is better than the Wash. Post,NY Times or Yahoo news.

No. I wouldn't call them a shill, that's your word, not mine, but they definitely have a conservative bias; that is not really debatable. What's debatable is whether they are moderately conservative or very conservative. Also, it is nearly impossible to be completely unbiased in all situations, so I don't think they are unreliable because they are conservative; I think they're sometimes unreliable because they often purposely create over-the-top sensationalism, particularly in their headlines (which often don't exactly match the content in my considerable reading experience). They are very aware, like everyone else, that most people do not read entire articles. They read the headline, stick around for 15 seconds, share it on social media if the headline or tiny amount they read agrees with their views, and then move on. Heck, I'd be fooling myself if I thought people read my screeds and diatribes in their entirety even on a message board.

The Post, the Times, and every other paper ever in existence are not immune to this type of sensationalism, of course, but it isn't their main business model.

I know metacognition is not a strong point for many, so I will walk you through some, just in case you happen to be one of those for which it is a weakness: Rhetorically, you are doing exactly what the writers in the Daily Mail (and others) do, which is to take something and add loaded language to it, or through omission you are creating an impression that just isn't supportable. And just because I can look at something objectively doesn't mean that I am not at this very second doing the same thing as I type these words. But if you are aware of it, it's easier to be objective. Or it's easier to manipulate people. Or both.

Take, for example, this statement of yours, "Why now with a President that has shown some degraded mental abilities? I think it's obvious, but spin it how you want." I am taking the literal words of the letter that was sent while you are putting your (or rather Hannity's or Levin's or whoever you listen to where you first heard this idea) suppositions into it. That is literally the definition of spin, so who is spinning words again? The answer at this point is, of course, we both are, but your spin is much more obvious and maladroit (rhetorical choice metacognition alert: I didn't want to say amateurish because it might be seen as offensive, but maladroit doesn't quite have the same negative connotation, though it essentially means the same thing. I could have chosen inexpert, but throwing out a term like maladroit matches the general tone of this post more so because it's still a slight dig and not quite as neutral as inexpert.). This is clearly a digression. I apologize, sorta. Back to the topic.

And now for some rhetorical questions: What evidence do you have of Biden's degraded mental abilities that isn't from a guest on Hannity's show? What authority do you have to diagnose these? How much were you questioning George W. Bush's mental faculties when he had these gaffes and solecisms: This is only a few of them from the highly partisan Guide to Grammar.

You said, "You cannot have a committee or a process to Launch Nukes. If we elect a Crazy War Monger or someone who is mentally incompetent then that is the consequence we must endure." Why not and why must we "endure" electing someone who is mentally incompetent or a crazy war monger? We, in fact, positively do not have to "endure" since the 25th amendment is in place specifically for that purpose. Imagine your daughter marrying a guy that abuses her: do you expect her to "endure" that relationship as a "consequence" for choosing that person in the first place?

I think, and I may be wrong, the goal is to maybe not have nuclear war. A committee makes a nuclear war less possible. The idea of limiting the president's ability to unilaterally order a nuclear strike is not a new idea.
 
No. I wouldn't call them a shill, that's your word, not mine, but they definitely have a conservative bias; that is not really debatable. What's debatable is whether they are moderately conservative or very conservative. Also, it is nearly impossible to be completely unbiased in all situations, so I don't think they are unreliable because they are conservative; I think they're sometimes unreliable because they often purposely create over-the-top sensationalism, particularly in their headlines (which often don't exactly match the content in my considerable reading experience). They are very aware, like everyone else, that most people do not read entire articles. They read the headline, stick around for 15 seconds, share it on social media if the headline or tiny amount they read agrees with their views, and then move on. Heck, I'd be fooling myself if I thought people read my screeds and diatribes in their entirety even on a message board.

The Post, the Times, and every other paper ever in existence are not immune to this type of sensationalism, of course, but it isn't their main business model.

I know metacognition is not a strong point for many, so I will walk you through some, just in case you happen to be one of those for which it is a weakness: Rhetorically, you are doing exactly what the writers in the Daily Mail (and others) do, which is to take something and add loaded language to it, or through omission you are creating an impression that just isn't supportable. And just because I can look at something objectively doesn't mean that I am not at this very second doing the same thing as I type these words. But if you are aware of it, it's easier to be objective. Or it's easier to manipulate people. Or both.

Take, for example, this statement of yours, "Why now with a President that has shown some degraded mental abilities? I think it's obvious, but spin it how you want." I am taking the literal words of the letter that was sent while you are putting your (or rather Hannity's or Levin's or whoever you listen to where you first heard this idea) suppositions into it. That is literally the definition of spin, so who is spinning words again? The answer at this point is, of course, we both are, but your spin is much more obvious and maladroit (rhetorical choice metacognition alert: I didn't want to say amateurish because it might be seen as offensive, but maladroit doesn't quite have the same negative connotation, though it essentially means the same thing. I could have chosen inexpert, but throwing out a term like maladroit matches the general tone of this post more so because it's still a slight dig and not quite as neutral as inexpert.). This is clearly a digression. I apologize, sorta. Back to the topic.

And now for some rhetorical questions: What evidence do you have of Biden's degraded mental abilities that isn't from a guest on Hannity's show? What authority do you have to diagnose these? How much were you questioning George W. Bush's mental faculties when he had these gaffes and solecisms: This is only a few of them from the highly partisan Guide to Grammar.

You said, "You cannot have a committee or a process to Launch Nukes. If we elect a Crazy War Monger or someone who is mentally incompetent then that is the consequence we must endure." Why not and why must we "endure" electing someone who is mentally incompetent or a crazy war monger? We, in fact, positively do not have to "endure" since the 25th amendment is in place specifically for that purpose. Imagine your daughter marrying a guy that abuses her: do you expect her to "endure" that relationship as a "consequence" for choosing that person in the first place?

I think, and I may be wrong, the goal is to maybe not have nuclear war. A committee makes a nuclear war less possible. The idea of limiting the president's ability to unilaterally order a nuclear strike is not a new idea.

all I can say is WOW....you got to much time on your hands r14 LOL...
 
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The Daily Mail? A tabloid? The Mail is not a bastion of reliability. They are better than, say, the National Enquirer or the Sun, so I'll give you that. What they're really good at is using bombastic and/or misleading language, mostly in the headlines, but also in the text of their articles. They are a good source when you want to prove a conservative talking point but don't want to do the actual research.

So basically, they took the actual fact that 31 House Democrats sent Biden a letter asking him to support proposals to expand the number of people who must approve the use of Nuclear weapons beyond just the president and added their own supposition into it that it had to be because of Biden's mental fitness.

Nothing in the letter mentioned his mental fitness or even implied it nor did it indicate that they requested it because he was elected. In fact, it looks to me like it's mostly referring to Trump and Nixon's behavior and threats (you know, when it says "past presidents" and then cites Trump tweets and Nixon administration officials) with an eye to and all presidents from now on. If you would like to see the actual text of the letter, instead of the Fox/Mail/Post interpretation of it, it is below.

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Dang probably worried he'll think it is a game of Battle Ship and start pushing buttons.
 
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all I can say is WOW....you got to much time on your hands r14 LOL...
I think that on just about all of his posts. How would you like to talk to him in person? :rolleyes: I guess he has lots of knowledge to impart on the rest of us.
 
No. I wouldn't call them a shill, that's your word, not mine, but they definitely have a conservative bias; that is not really debatable. What's debatable is whether they are moderately conservative or very conservative. Also, it is nearly impossible to be completely unbiased in all situations, so I don't think they are unreliable because they are conservative; I think they're sometimes unreliable because they often purposely create over-the-top sensationalism, particularly in their headlines (which often don't exactly match the content in my considerable reading experience). They are very aware, like everyone else, that most people do not read entire articles. They read the headline, stick around for 15 seconds, share it on social media if the headline or tiny amount they read agrees with their views, and then move on. Heck, I'd be fooling myself if I thought people read my screeds and diatribes in their entirety even on a message board.

The Post, the Times, and every other paper ever in existence are not immune to this type of sensationalism, of course, but it isn't their main business model.

I know metacognition is not a strong point for many, so I will walk you through some, just in case you happen to be one of those for which it is a weakness: Rhetorically, you are doing exactly what the writers in the Daily Mail (and others) do, which is to take something and add loaded language to it, or through omission you are creating an impression that just isn't supportable. And just because I can look at something objectively doesn't mean that I am not at this very second doing the same thing as I type these words. But if you are aware of it, it's easier to be objective. Or it's easier to manipulate people. Or both.

Take, for example, this statement of yours, "Why now with a President that has shown some degraded mental abilities? I think it's obvious, but spin it how you want." I am taking the literal words of the letter that was sent while you are putting your (or rather Hannity's or Levin's or whoever you listen to where you first heard this idea) suppositions into it. That is literally the definition of spin, so who is spinning words again? The answer at this point is, of course, we both are, but your spin is much more obvious and maladroit (rhetorical choice metacognition alert: I didn't want to say amateurish because it might be seen as offensive, but maladroit doesn't quite have the same negative connotation, though it essentially means the same thing. I could have chosen inexpert, but throwing out a term like maladroit matches the general tone of this post more so because it's still a slight dig and not quite as neutral as inexpert.). This is clearly a digression. I apologize, sorta. Back to the topic.

And now for some rhetorical questions: What evidence do you have of Biden's degraded mental abilities that isn't from a guest on Hannity's show? What authority do you have to diagnose these? How much were you questioning George W. Bush's mental faculties when he had these gaffes and solecisms: This is only a few of them from the highly partisan Guide to Grammar.

You said, "You cannot have a committee or a process to Launch Nukes. If we elect a Crazy War Monger or someone who is mentally incompetent then that is the consequence we must endure." Why not and why must we "endure" electing someone who is mentally incompetent or a crazy war monger? We, in fact, positively do not have to "endure" since the 25th amendment is in place specifically for that purpose. Imagine your daughter marrying a guy that abuses her: do you expect her to "endure" that relationship as a "consequence" for choosing that person in the first place?

I think, and I may be wrong, the goal is to maybe not have nuclear war. A committee makes a nuclear war less possible. The idea of limiting the president's ability to unilaterally order a nuclear strike is not a new idea.


I actually am Qualified to make a Mental Health diagnose, that is what I have been doing since 1994. Biden clearly shows diminished cognitive abilities. I'm not saying he isn't fit to be president at all. But he clearly shows the signs of his age and possibly other issues. He goes beyond the average gaff or tongue twister. So I am a expert and got the Papers to prove it.

Of course the goal is not to have a War but a committee clearly doesn't not make a nuclear war less probable. That is just emotional BS to make people feel better. LOL good luck with ever getting the 25th amendment invoked for loss of mental capacity's...unless a President is a invalid.... Again just window dressing to make people feel safer.


And it doesn't take a whole lot of Geometric analysis to figure out that Some Dem's are not comfortable with Biden and the Nuclear Button, Hanity has nothing to do with my opinion on that because I don't watch FOX ever and have no idea who the other guy is you mentioned, first I heard of this was the article I linked and then as you I read the actual Document.....clearly the Dem's had a reason to draft that when all reason and logic would point to the fact that the President has a need and duty to be that guy because Committee's are ineffective, slow and biased . I'm fine with Biden and the Button as I stated. Even with Biden's somewhat diminished cognitive skills he is not a danger or threat to anyone. Either the Dem's who drafted this are not worthy of holding office or they have a fear of Biden.

Spin you hub bub how you want but coincidence I think Not...

Oh and it was laughable that you went through some long drawn out process to basically say everyone has a inherent bias in how they think and express opinions to others.

Oh and as you well know the average Reading Level in he U.S. is around the 7th/8th grade level so while you might think my post and statement was clumsy ....well gotta play to the Crowd.
 
I claimed during the campaign that both Trump and Biden have diminished mental capacity. Trump doesn't speak as well as he did 10 years ago. He repeats himself constantly, mispronounces words, and doesn't do well answering questions or when he gets off script.

What is your diagnosis of Trump, Dr. MG?
 
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I actually am Qualified to make a Mental Health diagnose, that is what I have been doing since 1994. Biden clearly shows diminished cognitive abilities. I'm not saying he isn't fit to be president at all. But he clearly shows the signs of his age and possibly other issues. He goes beyond the average gaff or tongue twister. So I am a expert and got the Papers to prove it.

Of course the goal is not to have a War but a committee clearly doesn't not make a nuclear war less probable. That is just emotional BS to make people feel better. LOL good luck with ever getting the 25th amendment invoked for loss of mental capacity's...unless a President is a invalid.... Again just window dressing to make people feel safer.


And it doesn't take a whole lot of Geometric analysis to figure out that Some Dem's are not comfortable with Biden and the Nuclear Button, Hanity has nothing to do with my opinion on that because I don't watch FOX ever and have no idea who the other guy is you mentioned, first I heard of this was the article I linked and then as you I read the actual Document.....clearly the Dem's had a reason to draft that when all reason and logic would point to the fact that the President has a need and duty to be that guy because Committee's are ineffective, slow and biased . I'm fine with Biden and the Button as I stated. Even with Biden's somewhat diminished cognitive skills he is not a danger or threat to anyone. Either the Dem's who drafted this are not worthy of holding office or they have a fear of Biden.

Spin you hub bub how you want but coincidence I think Not...

Oh and it was laughable that you went through some long drawn out process to basically say everyone has a inherent bias in how they think and express opinions to others.

Oh and as you well know the average Reading Level in he U.S. is around the 7th/8th grade level so while you might think my post and statement was clumsy ....well gotta play to the Crowd.

I think that on just about all of his posts. How would you like to talk to him in person? :rolleyes: I guess he has lots of knowledge to impart on the rest of us.

Nah, I'm just opinionated with a tendency to ramble and go off on tangents. I always try to attack the argument and not the person and maintain a civil tone, sometimes with less success than other times.
all I can say is WOW....you got to much time on your hands r14 LOL...

Yeah, that was a lot. I've got to go on a word diet.
 
I claimed during the campaign that both Trump and Biden have diminished mental capacity. Trump doesn't speak as well as he did 10 years ago. He repeats himself constantly, mispronounces words, and doesn't do well answering questions or when he gets off script.

What is your diagnosis of Trump, Dr. MG?

I don't disagree that Trump has Diminished even while in office....that is true in my opinion. To the Degree that Biden has? Nope but again I don't think Biden's lessened capacity is a concern as I've stated multiple times....it appears it's the Dem's who have a concern.
 
Nah, I'm just opinionated with a tendency to ramble and go off on tangents. I always try to attack the argument and not the person and maintain a civil tone, sometimes with less success than other times.


Yeah, that was a lot. I've got to go on a word diet.


I must admit on some level it was a thing of Beauty.....and you do well in your civil discourse. And I'm sure you realized that last statement was tongue in cheek....I know sometimes wit doesn't come across well in post's.
 
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