Sometimes humor is the Best Truth...
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What is funny is the man said the only way to solve climate change is to make scientific and technological breakthroughs to make energy clean and affordable. Yet every effort by the environmentally concerned to fund and increase research is met with resistance from the right.
The opposite of "woke" is "asleep"!!!!!!!!!
The opposite of "woke" is "asleep"!!!!!!!!!
I disagree with the statement that the right tries to hamper Technological advancement. As I've pointed out a lot alternative energy investments come from the Private sector, especially in the middle to later stages. Do you not think that a lot of the Venture Capitalist are not on the Right or conservatives!
Explain why Biden's Build back Better bill....has 300 Billion for Subsidy's for Wind/Solar....and tax credits for EV... 10 Billion for a Climate Corps and only 1 BILLION in basic energy research??? I mean 2.5 Billion for Tax Credits for Lawyers and only a Billion for Clean Energy research? Is telling....
Sure the Right resists overt Regulation on the Current energy sources that will do nothing for climate change and will hurt the average rank and file citizens by increasing energy prices to a extreme level becoming a burden on our current lifestyle. The right also resist scams like Carbon Credits and subsidies for inefficient energy sources(solar/Wind) and tax credits for EV that only the upper class purchase for the most part the average price of a EV being 60 grand . If you see that is stopping research then I see things differently.
Just because the right doesn't want to throttle and destroy the current Cheap energy that is a must for our current lifestyles and replace it with a yet unproven technology, doesn't mean they are not interested in developing Cheap and Efficient alternatives or hampering those developments.
I agree the Right does resist illogical Climate Policies.... but that is not the same as hampering Technological advancements and Research that can benefit the future.
Biden enacts arbitrary policies that have no real world logic behind them... we are going to Get Rid of Coal by 2035, move to 50% of all car sales being EV by 2030.
All BS virtue signaling and undoable. At this point we have Zero Options to replace the Energy that is consumed by the masses from the Current Coal Plants. And even if half the new Car sales are EV by 2030 that solves nothing as the Energy that will be consumed by those cars will be Generated by Fossil Fuels not Clean Green Energy.
I think both sides want clean efficient Green Energy... it's just that the Sides go about it with a different approach.
The left tends to want to Radically change the system with unrealistic goals and measures passing policy's that can't be achieved in a whimsical time frame or pumping money into inefficient technology with tax credits and subsidy's that can't supply the needed energy to the masses that is clean. Sure those policies give a short term feel good emotional moment but the don't fix the problem and actual do more harm than good.
While the Conservatives want to phase out the Current Fossil Fuel Dependency with measured steps that will not cause radical lifestyle changes and harm the average Joe as Technological innovations and advancements come on line through R&D.
Two different approaches but the goal is the same. Do you really believe the people on the Right want dirty and polluting energy?
Explain why Biden's Build back Better bill....has 300 Billion for Subsidy's for Wind/Solar....and tax credits for EV... 10 Billion for a Climate Corps and only 1 BILLION in basic energy research??? I mean 2.5 Billion for Tax Credits for Lawyers and only a Billion for Clean Energy research? Is telling....
Sure the Right resists overt Regulation on the Current energy sources that will do nothing for climate change and will hurt the average rank and file citizens by increasing energy prices to a extreme level becoming a burden on our current lifestyle. The right also resist scams like Carbon Credits and subsidies for inefficient energy sources(solar/Wind) and tax credits for EV that only the upper class purchase for the most part the average price of a EV being 60 grand . If you see that is stopping research then I see things differently.
Just because the right doesn't want to throttle and destroy the current Cheap energy that is a must for our current lifestyles and replace it with a yet unproven technology, doesn't mean they are not interested in developing Cheap and Efficient alternatives or hampering those developments.
I agree the Right does resist illogical Climate Policies.... but that is not the same as hampering Technological advancements and Research that can benefit the future.
Biden enacts arbitrary policies that have no real world logic behind them... we are going to Get Rid of Coal by 2035, move to 50% of all car sales being EV by 2030.
All BS virtue signaling and undoable. At this point we have Zero Options to replace the Energy that is consumed by the masses from the Current Coal Plants. And even if half the new Car sales are EV by 2030 that solves nothing as the Energy that will be consumed by those cars will be Generated by Fossil Fuels not Clean Green Energy.
I think both sides want clean efficient Green Energy... it's just that the Sides go about it with a different approach.
The left tends to want to Radically change the system with unrealistic goals and measures passing policy's that can't be achieved in a whimsical time frame or pumping money into inefficient technology with tax credits and subsidy's that can't supply the needed energy to the masses that is clean. Sure those policies give a short term feel good emotional moment but the don't fix the problem and actual do more harm than good.
While the Conservatives want to phase out the Current Fossil Fuel Dependency with measured steps that will not cause radical lifestyle changes and harm the average Joe as Technological innovations and advancements come on line through R&D.
Two different approaches but the goal is the same. Do you really believe the people on the Right want dirty and polluting energy?
Did I say people on the right want pollution? But Big Business/Venture Capitalists will choose profits over potential harm to the environment every time.
You said they resisted increased funding for Clean research sorry if I mistook that for alluding to the Right does not care about Pollution ...... Big Business/Venture Capitalist are motivated by profits but I disagree with you that they will choose profits over harm to the planet every time or even most of the time. If you are Investing Millions and Billions in Green Energy then wouldn't it make sense that the goal would be for a Clean/Green Profitable source? And a huge part of the motivation for that investment would be to create that clean/green source of energy to help the planet.
If Clean energy didn't matter to those investors they could very easily invest in Fossil Fuels and Oil Exploration etc. and make huge profits with a lot less RISK of losing that capital.
Industries goal is to meet standards of what has been deemed acceptable pollution levels.
The difference between you and I is you don't believe an urgency is needed for the global environmental issues, and I believe the urgency is critical.
But I'm a realist. We are a spoiled civilization and set in our ways. Change will take time.
No I don't have the urgency..... because we are a adaptable species. What is the worst that can happen..... Sea levels rise so people are displaced from the coastal area's and Drought and famine runs rampant in the short term and the natural consequence's from those actions occur. So what the species as a whole has dealt with that before and can again. While I don't welcome those incidents they are part of the natural order and cycle of humanity.
There is No way you can get 195 countries and 8 Billion people to get on board with a Green Policy around the Globe without chaos happening.
As a realist I understand human nature and I understand that unless some form of Green Cheap energy appears from the ether and the Third World decides to stop over populating the globe, something nobody wants to address, then all this is just a BS leverage point by the elitist class for power and control.... strangely they do nothing to help the climate change issues either. None of them are giving up their mansions, their multiple homes, their swanking first class Private Jets, their multiple cars or any other luxury energy sucking items they own in abundance.
Do I think Climate change is happening...Yes. Do I think we should panic and make irrational quick decisions? Nope. We have time to adjust and adapt.
There is No way you can get 195 countries and 8 Billion people to get on board with a Green Policy around the Globe without chaos happening.
As a realist I understand human nature and I understand that unless some form of Green Cheap energy appears from the ether and the Third World decides to stop over populating the globe, something nobody wants to address, then all this is just a BS leverage point by the elitist class for power and control.... strangely they do nothing to help the climate change issues either. None of them are giving up their mansions, their multiple homes, their swanking first class Private Jets, their multiple cars or any other luxury energy sucking items they own in abundance.
Do I think Climate change is happening...Yes. Do I think we should panic and make irrational quick decisions? Nope. We have time to adjust and adapt.
First off the coastal rise will be gradual, second there is plenty of acers inland.... 171 million acres in Texas alone.... slowly relocating those people should not be a issue.
You keep mentioning this "elitist class". I contend that all of us in developed countries are part of the elitists class that are doing nothing to help the climate change issues, not just the billionaires in the world with private jets. We all are so spoiled and use to our standard of living that we waste resources daily without patting an eye. I am as guilty as anyone.
For instance, look at Americans obsession with large gas guzzling vehicles compared to the vehicles that most people drive in Europe. I like my 8 cyl Chevy Silverado that gets 16 mpg but I really don't need a truck that big. Americans don't like car pooling or mass transits. We keep our home nice and warm in the winter and nice, and cool in the summer. God forbid we need a sweater or longjohns at home on a cold winter night when we can just crank up the thermostat. We leave lights on, gadgets running 24 hrs a day, etc.
We can't even agree to make obvious changes like doing away with plastic grocery bags and plastic food containers when we know that products like grocery bags and milk cartons can be made out of biodegradable paper and hemp.
We are all responsible!!
But they have no place for immigrants... and they're getting pretty low on water for the same reason the coastal areas are gonna have too much one of these days.
Some of what you said has some validity... but you can't compare the Landmass countries of Europe and their Populations to America. Mass transit is often not do able in Suburban Area's that are Spread out over big distances And often in Urban area's mass transit is sketchy... and of course in Rural area's mass transit is not feasible at all.
And replacing Plastic Bags with Papers has it's own pitfalls... both Europe and North America has determined that Plastic bags are better than Paper(although I choose paper a lot to burn in my fire pit) if you recycle them. They are even better than reusable bags... per the data.
Plastic, Paper or Cotton: Which Shopping Bag is Best?
Which bag should an environmentally responsible, health-conscious shopper use during this time of coronavirus?
news.climate.columbia.edu
Heck I'd love to go back to glass bottles for everything..... but according to many studies reusing glass for Soda, Milk etc. is more polluting because of Water usage, transportation and cleaning than disposable plastic.
I think that for a Country of 350 million that we are doing a Good job of limiting are footprint. I myself try to do my part within reason.
I have two vehicles a Toyota Rav4 that get's 30 mpg and a Ford F150 because of the Farm and other Needs to haul things with. I have a well insulated House Keep the thermostat at around 68 degree's year around. And turn off my Vampire devices when not in use. I replaced my Fridge recently to upgrade it's efficiency and will do the same as well with my stove in the next year or so.
The reason I harp on Private Jets and their Mansions is because of the Massive Carbon foot print they produce. Your and Mine Truck produces around. 4.6 metric tons of pollution... a Private Jet Produces 1 BILLION tons of Carbon Admissions a year. Think about how much Pollution that is and then add in Charter Jets that the Elites use as well and then just the Average Commuter planes and their pollution that are usually used for luxury vacations.
A Mansion 10k square foot pushes 1 thousand metric tons of Carbon foot print.... the elites usually have multiple dwellings as well if not a private Islands to boot....while a Average home has around a 48 metric tons of carbon foot print for their one home. You really can't compare the two.... And I didn't really even talk about how much more Luxury items that the Elitist consume than the peasants and serfs.
So yeah I'm not to concerned about the Rank and File average citizens pollution habits. Most people I know try to recycle, insulate their homes well, drive vehicles that get reasonable Gas Mileage etc. Clearly you and me are more concerned and do more than the Elitist that Fly to Davos and live it up at a Conference to impose more restrictions on those below them. Do you know that they rent out the Local Business in Davos, remove their Wares and Bring in their Own stuff to EXPO to the other Rich Elites. Corporations and Wealthy individuals both do this. It's quite lucrative to the store and shop owners but it's such a Waste of resources as well.
Makes you wonder if the situations is as dire as the say or are they just that Arrogant and Superior that they believe they have a ordained right to waste energy and other resources for their luxury tastes.
If you want to know where the World Wide Pollution comes from here is a article......
94 of world's 100 most polluted cities are in India, China, Pakistan
Air pollution is estimated to cost the global economy upwards of $2.9 trillion per year due to fossil fuel emissions alone
Does America use a lot of Resources? Yes, but do we pollute and Produce a lot of Green House Admissions... not so much.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-polluted-countries
I wasn't literally saying we should relocate all of those people to Texas. I was using that as a analogy.... if we can fit all of the Current U.S. population in Texas on a Half acre of land per person.... Clearly we have enough acreage in America that we should be in a real world situation be able to absorb them across fifty states with millions and millions of more acreage..... In truth with the slow rise of water most will relocate inland on their own in do time over the course of decades.
