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Clinton promised Ukraine that their sovereignty would be guaranteed when he talked them into giving up their nuclear weapons.

Guess we will see if Biden has the stones to keep our word to those people
 
Clinton promised Ukraine that their sovereignty would be guaranteed when he talked them into giving up their nuclear weapons.

Guess we will see if Biden has the stones to keep our word to those people
You should grab all your guns and head over since you're so worried about it.
 
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Pretty funny

did you not hear Putin threaten the world with nuclear war today

Putin is the latest in a long, proud line of strongmen threatening the world with nuclear war. I'd bet every cent I have that the MAD (mutually assured destruction) doctrine will once again keep it from happening. Of course, if I'm wrong, that money's worthless anyway.
 
I have zero interest in protecting the Ukraine or their people ....if they need weapons and such to fight Putin so be it we should provide that and let the whole conflict become a long drawn out financial Drain on Putin and the Russian people.

The Russian people pretty much support Putin and his invasion of the Ukraine. The reunification of Russian and the Ukraine is popular in the motherland and it does Putin well among the populace. Simple solution..the region that speaks mostly Russian and is pro Putin...Let them join Russia. The natural resources that Putin wants, crop land, coal and iron is in the east. Once the Split happens then the Ukraine and it's resources can join Nato and the EU and Putin is stopped, as they are now under Nato and the EU umbrella. He get's nothing put bragging rights in the end which might well be the propaganda point of the invasion. Although he clearly wants to bring back Mother Russia.

My issue is that the economic sanctions that Biden is imposing will greatly effect the American Economic crisis. I laughed at the idea that people actually believe that the Sanctions will deter or effect Russian more than it effects us....Gas, Food and all other Products/goods/services are going to Sky Rocket in Price do to this whole issue. Biden himself said it might take time for the sanctions to have a effect....in the mean time our economic reaction will be devastating.

It Pizzes me off hearing Politicians on both sides Talking about how the American people should be willing to suffer more economic hardship in a effort to Protect the Ukrainian people..all the while our Fat and Lazy politicians want or need nothing and will have to suffer naught.

The Ukraine has Zero Resources or benefit to the American People...give them some weapons, arm their Boys and Girls and let them fight Russian and defend their own Democracy.

Also it is lame for the Dem's to Sing the Praises of wanting to defend Democracy in the Ukraine as they crack down with Authoritarian mandates and policies left and right and weaponize the institutions in govt to violate human rights, then suck at the tit of XI Jinping and the CCCP. And have zero interest in defending Taiwan from Chinese aggression.....

What Leftist progressive's don't get is that not everybody is motivated by Big Govt over reach and it's promise of safety and narcissistic self indulgent materialistic goals. The belief that all humans desire this is a blatant falsehood.

Leftist progressives can't fathom Nationalism, Patriotism, and loyalty as driving factors and that Humans crave these things along with comfort. Psychologically humans seek out these things out often before comfort and safety. Western Civilization in it's greatest coup took those attributes and aimed them at Freedom, Liberty and individual Rights. And we tried to export that to the World and to Defend those ideals across the Globe for a time.

Once we looked inward and abandoned those ideals you have seen the Rise of BLM/Antifa/Leftist Dem's and even Trumpism....in America. But world wide as a policy this attitude has led to America kowtowing to Russian and China in a effort to get along and coexist. Of course the $$$$ coming from those regions has made it much easier for our Leaders to turn a blinds eye to these petty dictators.

While I have ZERO want to enter a war to Defend the Ukraine.....Biden's administration's don't give a crap policies and statements have embolden Putin to launch his plan to rebuild mother Russia..and he has the support of his people because they are not motivated by materialistic hedonism like America is...but rather they love Russian Nationalism and Patriotism first and foremost. Russian has a horrible economy but that doesn't mean the Russian people don't strive or crave the Past when Russia was Powerful and Feared as a substitute for the lack of economic wealth.

We in the West continue to make deals with People like Putin/China/M.E. falsely believing that the World thinks, believes and is motivated like we are. And then we are shocked when they don't adhere to, break or ignore those deals. They see us as suckers
 
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I have zero interest in protecting the Ukraine or their people ....if they need weapons and such to fight Putin so be it we should provide that and let the whole conflict become a long drawn out financial Drain on Putin and the Russian people.

The Russian people pretty much support Putin and his invasion of the Ukraine. The reunification of Russian and the Ukraine is popular in the motherland and it does Putin well among the populace. Simple solution..the region that speaks mostly Russian and is pro Putin...Let them join Russia. The natural resources that Putin wants, crop land, coal and iron is in the east. Once the Split happens then the Ukraine and it's resources can join Nato and the EU and Putin is stopped, as they are now under Nato and the EU umbrella. He get's nothing put bragging rights in the end which might well be the propaganda point of the invasion. Although he clearly wants to bring back Mother Russia.

My issue is that the economic sanctions that Biden is imposing will greatly effect the American Economic crisis. I laughed at the idea that people actually believe that the Sanctions will deter or effect Russian more than it effects us....Gas, Food and all other Products/goods/services are going to Sky Rocket in Price do to this whole issue. Biden himself said it might take time for the sanctions to have a effect....in the mean time our economic reaction will be devastating.

It Pizzes me off hearing Politicians on both sides Talking about how the American people should be willing to suffer more economic hardship in a effort to Protect the Ukrainian people..all the while our Fat and Lazy politicians want or need nothing and will have to suffer naught.

The Ukraine has Zero Resources or benefit to the American People...give them some weapons, arm their Boys and Girls and let them fight Russian and defend their own Democracy.

Also it is lame for the Dem's to Sing the Praises of wanting to defend Democracy in the Ukraine as they crack down with Authoritarian mandates and policies left and right and weaponize the institutions in govt to violate human rights, then suck at the tit of XI Jinping and the CCCP. And have zero interest in defending Taiwan from Chinese aggression.....

What Leftist progressive's don't get is that not everybody is motivated by Big Govt over reach and it's promise of safety and narcissistic self indulgent materialistic goals. The belief that all humans desire this is a blatant falsehood.

Leftist progressives can't fathom Nationalism, Patriotism, and loyalty as driving factors and that Humans crave these things along with comfort. Psychologically humans seek out these things out often before comfort and safety. Western Civilization in it's greatest coup took those attributes and aimed them at Freedom, Liberty and individual Rights. And we tried to export that to the World and to Defend those ideals across the Globe for a time.

Once we looked inward and abandoned those ideals you have seen the Rise of BLM/Antifa/Leftist Dem's and even Trumpism....in America. But world wide as a policy this attitude has led to America kowtowing to Russian and China in a effort to get along and coexist. Of course the $$$$ coming from those regions has made it much easier for our Leaders to turn a blinds eye to these petty dictators.

While I have ZERO want to enter a war to Defend the Ukraine.....Biden's administration's don't give a crap policies and statements have embolden Putin to launch his plan to rebuild mother Russia..and he has the support of his people because they are not motivated by materialistic hedonism like America is...but rather they love Russian Nationalism and Patriotism first and foremost. Russian has a horrible economy but that doesn't mean the Russian people don't strive or crave the Past when Russia was Powerful and Feared as a substitute for the lack of economic wealth.

We in the West continue to make deals with People like Putin/China/M.E. falsely believing that the World thinks, believes and is motivated like we are. And then we are shocked when they don't adhere to, break or ignore those deals. They see us as suckers

I don't disagree about staying out of Ukraine...for different reasons, of course, but I'm with you on that.

Also, this is a rant as opposed to a well-reasoned argument, so I won't enumerate every single one of the copious logical inconsistencies present, as that would be unproductive, not to mention a waste of seconds of my life that I'll never get back. I used to try to do that, but it's clearly ineffective.
 
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I don't disagree about staying out of Ukraine...for different reasons, of course, but I'm with you on that.

Also, this is a rant as opposed to a well-reasoned argument, so I won't enumerate every single one of the copious logical inconsistencies present, as that would be unproductive, not to mention a waste of seconds of my life that I'll never get back. I used to try to do that, but it's clearly ineffective.
MemeGHS thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.

I heard from a good source that's not the case ahaha
 
Pretty funny

did you not hear Putin threaten the world with nuclear war today
NO did you? What would he gain from that? I took it to mean they will use cyber attacks like never before. The world has seen what the big bomb can do.
I have zero interest in protecting the Ukraine or their people ....if they need weapons and such to fight Putin so be it we should provide that and let the whole conflict become a long drawn out financial Drain on Putin and the Russian people.

The Russian people pretty much support Putin and his invasion of the Ukraine. The reunification of Russian and the Ukraine is popular in the motherland and it does Putin well among the populace. Simple solution..the region that speaks mostly Russian and is pro Putin...Let them join Russia. The natural resources that Putin wants, crop land, coal and iron is in the east. Once the Split happens then the Ukraine and it's resources can join Nato and the EU and Putin is stopped, as they are now under Nato and the EU umbrella. He get's nothing put bragging rights in the end which might well be the propaganda point of the invasion. Although he clearly wants to bring back Mother Russia.

My issue is that the economic sanctions that Biden is imposing will greatly effect the American Economic crisis. I laughed at the idea that people actually believe that the Sanctions will deter or effect Russian more than it effects us....Gas, Food and all other Products/goods/services are going to Sky Rocket in Price do to this whole issue. Biden himself said it might take time for the sanctions to have a effect....in the mean time our economic reaction will be devastating.

It Pizzes me off hearing Politicians on both sides Talking about how the American people should be willing to suffer more economic hardship in a effort to Protect the Ukrainian people..all the while our Fat and Lazy politicians want or need nothing and will have to suffer naught.

The Ukraine has Zero Resources or benefit to the American People...give them some weapons, arm their Boys and Girls and let them fight Russian and defend their own Democracy.

Also it is lame for the Dem's to Sing the Praises of wanting to defend Democracy in the Ukraine as they crack down with Authoritarian mandates and policies left and right and weaponize the institutions in govt to violate human rights, then suck at the tit of XI Jinping and the CCCP. And have zero interest in defending Taiwan from Chinese aggression.....

What Leftist progressive's don't get is that not everybody is motivated by Big Govt over reach and it's promise of safety and narcissistic self indulgent materialistic goals. The belief that all humans desire this is a blatant falsehood.

Leftist progressives can't fathom Nationalism, Patriotism, and loyalty as driving factors and that Humans crave these things along with comfort. Psychologically humans seek out these things out often before comfort and safety. Western Civilization in it's greatest coup took those attributes and aimed them at Freedom, Liberty and individual Rights. And we tried to export that to the World and to Defend those ideals across the Globe for a time.

Once we looked inward and abandoned those ideals you have seen the Rise of BLM/Antifa/Leftist Dem's and even Trumpism....in America. But world wide as a policy this attitude has led to America kowtowing to Russian and China in a effort to get along and coexist. Of course the $$$$ coming from those regions has made it much easier for our Leaders to turn a blinds eye to these petty dictators.

While I have ZERO want to enter a war to Defend the Ukraine.....Biden's administration's don't give a crap policies and statements have embolden Putin to launch his plan to rebuild mother Russia..and he has the support of his people because they are not motivated by materialistic hedonism like America is...but rather they love Russian Nationalism and Patriotism first and foremost. Russian has a horrible economy but that doesn't mean the Russian people don't strive or crave the Past when Russia was Powerful and Feared as a substitute for the lack of economic wealth.

We in the West continue to make deals with People like Putin/China/M.E. falsely believing that the World thinks, believes and is motivated like we are. And then we are shocked when they don't adhere to, break or ignore those deals. They see us as suckers
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NO did you? What would he gain from that? I took it to mean they will use cyber attacks like never before. The world has seen what the big bomb can do.
I have zero interest in protecting the Ukraine or their people ....if they need weapons and such to fight Putin so be it we should provide that and let the whole conflict become a long drawn out financial Drain on Putin and the Russian people.

The Russian people pretty much support Putin and his invasion of the Ukraine. The reunification of Russian and the Ukraine is popular in the motherland and it does Putin well among the populace. Simple solution..the region that speaks mostly Russian and is pro Putin...Let them join Russia. The natural resources that Putin wants, crop land, coal and iron is in the east. Once the Split happens then the Ukraine and it's resources can join Nato and the EU and Putin is stopped, as they are now under Nato and the EU umbrella. He get's nothing put bragging rights in the end which might well be the propaganda point of the invasion. Although he clearly wants to bring back Mother Russia.

My issue is that the economic sanctions that Biden is imposing will greatly effect the American Economic crisis. I laughed at the idea that people actually believe that the Sanctions will deter or effect Russian more than it effects us....Gas, Food and all other Products/goods/services are going to Sky Rocket in Price do to this whole issue. Biden himself said it might take time for the sanctions to have a effect....in the mean time our economic reaction will be devastating.

It Pizzes me off hearing Politicians on both sides Talking about how the American people should be willing to suffer more economic hardship in a effort to Protect the Ukrainian people..all the while our Fat and Lazy politicians want or need nothing and will have to suffer naught.

The Ukraine has Zero Resources or benefit to the American People...give them some weapons, arm their Boys and Girls and let them fight Russian and defend their own Democracy.

Also it is lame for the Dem's to Sing the Praises of wanting to defend Democracy in the Ukraine as they crack down with Authoritarian mandates and policies left and right and weaponize the institutions in govt to violate human rights, then suck at the tit of XI Jinping and the CCCP. And have zero interest in defending Taiwan from Chinese aggression.....

What Leftist progressive's don't get is that not everybody is motivated by Big Govt over reach and it's promise of safety and narcissistic self indulgent materialistic goals. The belief that all humans desire this is a blatant falsehood.

Leftist progressives can't fathom Nationalism, Patriotism, and loyalty as driving factors and that Humans crave these things along with comfort. Psychologically humans seek out these things out often before comfort and safety. Western Civilization in it's greatest coup took those attributes and aimed them at Freedom, Liberty and individual Rights. And we tried to export that to the World and to Defend those ideals across the Globe for a time.

Once we looked inward and abandoned those ideals you have seen the Rise of BLM/Antifa/Leftist Dem's and even Trumpism....in America. But world wide as a policy this attitude has led to America kowtowing to Russian and China in a effort to get along and coexist. Of course the $$$$ coming from those regions has made it much easier for our Leaders to turn a blinds eye to these petty dictators.

While I have ZERO want to enter a war to Defend the Ukraine.....Biden's administration's don't give a crap policies and statements have embolden Putin to launch his plan to rebuild mother Russia..and he has the support of his people because they are not motivated by materialistic hedonism like America is...but rather they love Russian Nationalism and Patriotism first and foremost. Russian has a horrible economy but that doesn't mean the Russian people don't strive or crave the Past when Russia was Powerful and Feared as a substitute for the lack of economic wealth.

We in the West continue to make deals with People like Putin/China/M.E. falsely believing that the World thinks, believes and is motivated like we are. And then we are shocked when they don't adhere to, break or ignore those deals. They see us as suckers
Pay attention! We are NOT sending ANY troops into Ukraine and Biden said that over and over! We are sending them to NATO countries that share a border with Ukraine to make sure Putin doesn't try to keep going after he takes Ukraine.
 
I have zero interest in protecting the Ukraine or their people ....if they need weapons and such to fight Putin so be it we should provide that and let the whole conflict become a long drawn out financial Drain on Putin and the Russian people.

The Russian people pretty much support Putin and his invasion of the Ukraine. The reunification of Russian and the Ukraine is popular in the motherland and it does Putin well among the populace. Simple solution..the region that speaks mostly Russian and is pro Putin...Let them join Russia. The natural resources that Putin wants, crop land, coal and iron is in the east. Once the Split happens then the Ukraine and it's resources can join Nato and the EU and Putin is stopped, as they are now under Nato and the EU umbrella. He get's nothing put bragging rights in the end which might well be the propaganda point of the invasion. Although he clearly wants to bring back Mother Russia.

My issue is that the economic sanctions that Biden is imposing will greatly effect the American Economic crisis. I laughed at the idea that people actually believe that the Sanctions will deter or effect Russian more than it effects us....Gas, Food and all other Products/goods/services are going to Sky Rocket in Price do to this whole issue. Biden himself said it might take time for the sanctions to have a effect....in the mean time our economic reaction will be devastating.

It Pizzes me off hearing Politicians on both sides Talking about how the American people should be willing to suffer more economic hardship in a effort to Protect the Ukrainian people..all the while our Fat and Lazy politicians want or need nothing and will have to suffer naught.

The Ukraine has Zero Resources or benefit to the American People...give them some weapons, arm their Boys and Girls and let them fight Russian and defend their own Democracy.

Also it is lame for the Dem's to Sing the Praises of wanting to defend Democracy in the Ukraine as they crack down with Authoritarian mandates and policies left and right and weaponize the institutions in govt to violate human rights, then suck at the tit of XI Jinping and the CCCP. And have zero interest in defending Taiwan from Chinese aggression.....

What Leftist progressive's don't get is that not everybody is motivated by Big Govt over reach and it's promise of safety and narcissistic self indulgent materialistic goals. The belief that all humans desire this is a blatant falsehood.

Leftist progressives can't fathom Nationalism, Patriotism, and loyalty as driving factors and that Humans crave these things along with comfort. Psychologically humans seek out these things out often before comfort and safety. Western Civilization in it's greatest coup took those attributes and aimed them at Freedom, Liberty and individual Rights. And we tried to export that to the World and to Defend those ideals across the Globe for a time.

Once we looked inward and abandoned those ideals you have seen the Rise of BLM/Antifa/Leftist Dem's and even Trumpism....in America. But world wide as a policy this attitude has led to America kowtowing to Russian and China in a effort to get along and coexist. Of course the $$$$ coming from those regions has made it much easier for our Leaders to turn a blinds eye to these petty dictators.

While I have ZERO want to enter a war to Defend the Ukraine.....Biden's administration's don't give a crap policies and statements have embolden Putin to launch his plan to rebuild mother Russia..and he has the support of his people because they are not motivated by materialistic hedonism like America is...but rather they love Russian Nationalism and Patriotism first and foremost. Russian has a horrible economy but that doesn't mean the Russian people don't strive or crave the Past when Russia was Powerful and Feared as a substitute for the lack of economic wealth.

We in the West continue to make deals with People like Putin/China/M.E. falsely believing that the World thinks, believes and is motivated like we are. And then we are shocked when they don't adhere to, break or ignore those deals. They see us as suckers
Problem is that President Clinton promised the Ukraine Govt back in the 90's that if they would give up their nuclear weapons we would guarantee their national sovereignty. Guess its time to see if we can be trusted any more than Putin can.
 
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Pay attention! We are NOT sending ANY troops into Ukraine and Biden said that over and over! We are sending them to NATO countries that share a border with Ukraine to make sure Putin doesn't try to keep going after he takes Ukraine.

It's like a constant game of telephone.
 
Problem is that President Clinton promised the Ukraine Govt back in the 90's that if they would give up their nuclear weapons we would guarantee their national sovereignty. Guess its time to see if we can be trusted any more than Putin can.

So I'm guessing you're not on the side of staying out of it. Sounds like RINO talk to me.
 
So I'm guessing you're not on the side of staying out of it. Sounds like RINO talk to me.
I am on the side of the United States keeping its word. If we had sent the Ukraine 1000 Stingers and 1000 Javelins they could have defended themselves
 
I am on the side of the United States keeping its word. If we had sent the Ukraine 1000 Stingers and 1000 Javelins they could have defended themselves

I have to say this puts you out of communion with DJT, et al. Therefore that makes you now a RINO in their world.
 
How many did we send them? They got em from someone and they've had them for a long time fighting Russian backed separatists.
UK,,,,just a few weeks ago the British airlifted another plane load of javelins to Ukraine and the damn Germans wouldn't let them fly over their country
 
UK,,,,just a few weeks ago the British airlifted another plane load of javelins to Ukraine and the damn Germans wouldn't let them fly over their country
Look it up an see how many we've sent them in the last 8 years they've been fighting Russians.
 
Fox News said Putin's next move wIll be to retaliate by cutting oil exports and reduce oil production to drive the cost higher for a gallon of gas.
 
Fox News said Putin's next move wIll be to retaliate by cutting oil exports and reduce oil production to drive the cost higher for a gallon of gas.
Maybe our own oil companies will step up and start pumping like they should and keep the price of gas down for in the country where they get their oil. But I doubt it. WE do NOT have an oil shortage here.
 
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Pay attention! We are NOT sending ANY troops into Ukraine and Biden said that over and over! We are sending them to NATO countries that share a border with Ukraine to make sure Putin doesn't try to keep going after he takes Ukraine.
Pay attention to Article 4 and 5 of Nato...if the Cyber attack happens which you do seem to be aware of well that could trigger Article 5 and we might be drawn into it. I guess we could just ignore the signed agreement, I wouldn't put that past Biden. I'm conflicted on that at this time. Really don't want to be drawn into a Euro conflict with Russia...but we are the big dog in NATO and ignoring our responsibility would show massive weakness and prove we have zero resolve left.
 
I don't disagree about staying out of Ukraine...for different reasons, of course, but I'm with you on that.

Also, this is a rant as opposed to a well-reasoned argument, so I won't enumerate every single one of the copious logical inconsistencies present, as that would be unproductive, not to mention a waste of seconds of my life that I'll never get back. I used to try to do that, but it's clearly ineffective.
Not a emotional rant as much as me stating my position and opinions based on the current state of world affairs and how we got to this point because of our current mind set and lack of understanding of nation expansion to gain power and resources . We now struggle with Leaders who look at deals, and agreements as weakness and ways to pacify the West while they do what they want because America as a whole is against using consequences that are a legit deterrent.. maybe it is consistent that I don't want to be in a conflict over the Ukraine but also understand that at some point you can't just roll over and do nothing over and over again....and expect the behavior of petty thugs to change.

In short I don't want to enter a conflict like this...but we might have to, do to the Global nature of our economy, and how tied we are to the global economy.

Again I wanted to point out our lack of understanding of the motivations for the Leaders and People from other cultures and how our failed policy attempts in that vain have led us to this point. Comfort, Security and Material things are often of little value to people who are steeped in the love and lore of their countries greatness.

If you want to out wrestle a pig you have to get into the mud and waller with it at some point to win. I believe our leaders and most citizens have little understanding of what motivates people from other countries...in short if you don't understand the bad guys you can't begin to stop them.

Us as American's like are nice things and Material wealth. We can't seem to comprehend that people in Russian/China are not motivated in the same way. Often they are looking for a Higher meaning or purpose and garner far more pride and happiness from the expansion or power of their homeland than they do from nicer Blue Jeans and a slightly bigger house.

I also wanted to bring light to the willy nilly call for protection of Democracy from the Dem's and how they are very selective in how they defend Democracy. They do so when it is convenient to their cause or needs.

BIden clearly green lite this whole thing with his stupid bumbling statement as well. If Putin had any doubts about America's weakness or lack of Resolve...Biden clearly made our policy intentions clear... we would take a limp wristed approach to a Russian invasion.

I also don't want to hear fat kat politicians talking about sacrifice when they will not give up anything at all on that front.

Maybe America should wake up and stop Focusing so much on Climate Change, Systemic Racism and the Wealth inequality and see that a huge chunk of the world doesn't share our values and come to the obvious conclusion that they are highly motivated to topple us and to replace Western Civilization and values so they can become the dominate force in the World.
 
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Pay attention to Article 4 and 5 of Nato...if the Cyber attack happens which you do seem to be aware of well that could trigger Article 5 and we might be drawn into it. I guess we could just ignore the signed agreement, I wouldn't put that past Biden. I'm conflicted on that at this time. Really don't want to be drawn into a Euro conflict with Russia...but we are the big dog in NATO and ignoring our responsibility would show massive weakness and prove we have zero resolve left.
Ukraine is NOT a NATO member and what you bring has NOT happened yet. I have no idea why but it hasn't.
 
I'm fully Aware that the Ukraine is not a member of NATO. but the concern is a Nato wide Cyber attack to hider aid to the Ukraine which would trigger article 5...
 
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