- Greg Garcia is your leadoff hitter
- Your SS is at a funeral
- Molina hits 3
- Adams hits 4
- Peralta hits 5
- and Jamie FREAKING Garcia gets the nod to start
So in a game the Birds needed to win...
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Well they're making the push to 'back' onto the playoffs again tonight. Who knows what tomorrow brings.
Not only start Jaime but bring in Wacha??..... Haven't those two been pitching pretty poorly WHEN they pitch? I feel for Weaver in that situation too but Wacha has been hurt and Jaime has been as inconsistent as Leake. Were trying to get INTO the playoff's not prepare guys for the playoffs. I am a Matheny supporter most times, but man he frustrated me over that. We haven't clinched a birth like we did last year, so we have to get IN and quit worrying about who is going to pitch in the playoffs that we wont be in if we don't start making better decisions! Rant over
Here's the cray cray part...Picture this...It's Sunday. And the Birds need a W to get in, or worse yet, need a W to get into a one game playoff. Who do you start? Keep in mind, it's the same as Monday's spot. You don't have the choice of any pitcher.Not only start Jaime but bring in Wacha??..... Haven't those two been pitching pretty poorly WHEN they pitch? I feel for Weaver in that situation too but Wacha has been hurt and Jaime has been as inconsistent as Leake. Were trying to get INTO the playoff's not prepare guys for the playoffs. I am a Matheny supporter most times, but man he frustrated me over that. We haven't clinched a birth like we did last year, so we have to get IN and quit worrying about who is going to pitch in the playoffs that we wont be in if we don't start making better decisions! Rant over
I don't get the Moss thang. When he was 1 for 40something Matheny was asked why he was still the lineup. He said I know he can hit one in the 2nd deck at any time. He started tonight 6 for 85 and still in the lineup. How many outs are worth one bomb? And why is Carp still playing 1st when he's not very good at it and he could be at 2nd, let Adams play 1st and put Pham in left. I was beginning to think Pham got hurt and I missed it until the the double switch for Segrist.
In all fairness, Adams sucks too. He's no better than a platoon player. And Pham isn't one of MM's boys. He's not a slow white dude that gets his uni dirty and "hustles" a lot.I don't get the Moss thang. When he was 1 for 40something Matheny was asked why he was still the lineup. He said I know he can hit one in the 2nd deck at any time. He started tonight 6 for 85 and still in the lineup. How many outs are worth one bomb? And why is Carp still playing 1st when he's not very good at it and he could be at 2nd, let Adams play 1st and put Pham in left. I was beginning to think Pham got hurt and I missed it until the the double switch for Segrist.
Adams his pretty dang good 1st baseman, whether Neutron thinks so or not, and he might just knock one out in less than 80 or 90 AB's.
Adams isn't Keith Hernandez defensively for sure. But he is far better than Moss, Carp or Holliday. So shut up Cards21 and go stick your head up Joe Maddon's azz since you grew up in Illinois.
Carp? No, he's not a better defensive 1B than Carp.
Moss and Holliday are truly dreadful defensively and they are nearly a decade older than Adams. He should be better than them.
Save your breath dude. He thought Erin Miles was a good 2B too.
He isn't 'pretty danged good' defensively. He's probably somewhere between 'pretty danged bad' and 'pretty danged average'. Which is to say he's a bit below league average. Just because he's better than two of the worst 1B to field the position in 2016 in all of baseball, doesn't really mean he's anything more than what he is. And this notion that he's better there than Marp. Good lord.
Marp is a better athlete. But his inexperience and lackadaisical work at first has not been good. Have you actually watched him? His body language tells you he doesn't want to play there. It's even worse at second. He can't scoop a low throw worth a crap at first base. He would improve with experience. Adams is better at it right now. Adams isn't great but he is not awful. He can make the routine play, unlike Holliday and Moss.
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I'm pretty sure you guys never watch Adams play 1st. He makes the routine play and has made some outstanding plays too. Not sure what else you want him to do at 1st base, I didn't say he was a good SS or outfielder. Dude is as good at 1st as just about anybody the Birds have played. He has good range and good hands.
And range of your first baseman really makes a HUGE difference in games won for your team. NOT. You guys are insufferable.
The dude goes and gets balls the 2nd baseman should get. Pujols did that, many when he shouldn't have, and everybody thought he was pretty dang good. Adams has made some very nice plays going to the line to save doubles or triples. He digs out some nasty throws for outs. My 'eyes' are just fine. Does he make every play? NO. Does he make errors? YES. And so do all the guys you mentioned!
You're trying to argue Adams is on the same level as Rizzo, Votto, Goldy, etc......and Pujols? Hahahahahahhahahaha
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Let's just talk in the most basic level here. You have to drop the PA to get Adams to pop up on stats, since he's not qualified. Once you do this, you find something useful....a rating of the top 1st baseman in the league this season overall
1)Freeman
2) Rizzo
3) Votto
4) Miggy
5) Goldy
24) Chris Carter.....awful
29) Adams
The dude is the greatest player to ever live. He's not even the best 1st baseman the Deadbirds have on the bench
Oh, and lets use the archaic method of judging defensive abilities.....the Error
Adams (601.2 innings -7E) has more errors than guys like Rizzo (1337 Inn - 6 E), Freeman (1411 Inn - 5E), Hosmer (1351 Inn - 6E) or Goldy (1381.1 Inn - 4E)
Yup, he's right on par with those guys. I mean, he only has half their innings.....and already more errors. But he's just as good!!!!
Adams (601.2 innings -7E) has more errors than guys like Rizzo (1337 Inn - 6 E), Freeman (1411 Inn - 5E), Hosmer (1351 Inn - 6E) or Goldy (1381.1 Inn - 4E)
Yup, he's right on par with those guys. I mean, he only has half their innings.....and already more errors. But he's just as good!!!!
You sound sorely uninformed in that last sentence or two. Saying Adams is on par with the names I mentioned just makes you sound like a homer. Smh.
I'm sure not getting the same number of innings has nothing to do with some of the errors. Who on the Cardinals would be a better 1st baseman? It sure as hell ain't Carp or Moss.I don't think he's better than the guys mentioned, but he was the best 1st baseman on this roster. But didn't get to play because Moss just MIGHT hit one in the 2nd deck.
You're right, Adams was the best option the Birds had at 1B. Uncle.I'm sure not getting the same number of innings has nothing to do with some of the errors. Who on the Cardinals would be a better 1st baseman? It sure as hell ain't Carp or Moss.I don't think he's better than the guys mentioned, but he was the best 1st baseman on this roster. But didn't get to play because Moss just MIGHT hit one in the 2nd deck.
A big problem for the Birds is the fact they had no defensive 1B. Most errors I've seen by a team when trying to field a throw from a pitcher on a pick off move. If it wasn't waist high the ball ended up in right field. No wonder people ran on Yadi. Runners got big leads knowing if pitcher threw over they would end up at second.
His lack of innings was due to injury part of the time and 'Moss might hit one in the 2nd deck' part of the time. The other is due to putting Peralta back in the lineup at 3rd pushing Carp to 1st. Carp is NOT a good option for 1st base next season. Put him back at 2nd, tell him to go for 50+ doubles and 10 or 12 HR's, a .300 avg and big numbers with rips, instead of 20+ HR's with over 100 SO's.
So "lesser" options were played well before him. You literally are making my point
He is so bad, they will play a middle infielder at 1st
NOT for his defense. I have made NO claim that Adams is their best offensive option. This discussion was about his ability to play 1st base, nothing else.
Try this Cards, "I'm not really a cardinals fan, so I'll take your word for it that while Adams isn't a great athlete and has limited range, his life long experience playing first has provided him with better footwork and skills around the bag than the other defensive alternatives on the roster." Now you sound like you know your a from a hole in the ground.
Adams will either continue his role as a pinch hitter or be traded this off season. So chill out.
No he's not. Moss has awful numbers for defense, and they are pretty similar in overall value. Guess who your best defensive 1st baseman is.....Carp
I really hope the Cardinals take your approach and think that Adams is the greatest defensive player to have ever played baseball. I want him to be the Deadbirds starter so you can claim him to be as good as Rizzo, Goldy, Freeman and Votto again
I don't get where you guys think Adams has limited range at 1st base. I have never said he should be an allstar but he was no doubt the best defensive 1st baseman on this Cardinal team. Carp might make it there someday if he has to but ain't there now. Don't get on the offensive stuff because that just ain't what we're talking about. I would like the Cardinals to have a guy there that can hit for average, power and be a great defender, but at this time they don't have that guy.
