Right off the bat I want to say I think the coaches at Trinity, Lutheran North, Lutheran St Charles, Ofallon Christian and now Duschene are good men. I coached high school football for 28 years and I don't know any of the coaches real well but I do have coaching friends that know them well. I coached in class 3 public school . John Burroughs was the team we could never get by. In the last couple of years the talent level coming to Trinity and Lutheran North is unreal. 2 years ago a whole team of 8th graders went to Christian they are now Juniors they will be very good. The Lutheran program is now benefitting from many 9th graders that went to Lutheran a year ago. Duschene has 12 frosh from the same team that won the 8th grade super bowl on their team. I am in no way blaming these coaches are kids wanting to play with their friends. The point is small public schools have no chance. Lamar was the exception but those days are over. Lutheran North and Cardinal Ritter have gotten better with many great players at those schools. Class 2 will be won when those play each in districts. Class 3 you have Trinity who will be better this year and you wonder why they have a couple of unbelievable frosh come to their school plus what they have coming back. How Blair Oaks is able to be on Trinity level is awesome but that is rare for a public school that is small. St Charles West is loaded but not Trinity level.
Small public schools have zero chance
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This is what everyone feared in 2016 in SWMO. This is why although it hasn't translated into success, it was the start of a HUGE unfair imbalance.Next year Trinity and LN should be class 4. But this season is a wash for anyone in class 2. I don't think Marryville should be class 2 either.
That Lutheran St Charles team was not great in 8th grade, though they have some big talent now, only a few from that team are making a dent now.
I just don't don't think all those kids playing together in 8th made a huge difference. O'fallon Christian was the super good 4 years ago, now all those kids are juniors, but not all of them went to O'fallon Christian, I know some of those kids are now at Desmet and Westminister
I don't know much about those kids that all went to Duschene this year, my thought is I have seen a lot of good teams 8th grade teams in STL and a few of those kids ended up doing well, but a whole team doesn't make an impact.
A bunch of kids played on an 8th grade team that was very successful from 3-8th grade, and quite a few are at MICDS, but they were all also at MICDS in grade school, and not very many of them started last year.
I just think every situation is different, but i am not discounting what you are saying, it would say its definitely a new trend.
Lutheran North is supposedly opening a middle school. Then what?
I just don't don't think all those kids playing together in 8th made a huge difference. O'fallon Christian was the super good 4 years ago, now all those kids are juniors, but not all of them went to O'fallon Christian, I know some of those kids are now at Desmet and Westminister
I don't know much about those kids that all went to Duschene this year, my thought is I have seen a lot of good teams 8th grade teams in STL and a few of those kids ended up doing well, but a whole team doesn't make an impact.
A bunch of kids played on an 8th grade team that was very successful from 3-8th grade, and quite a few are at MICDS, but they were all also at MICDS in grade school, and not very many of them started last year.
I just think every situation is different, but i am not discounting what you are saying, it would say its definitely a new trend.
Lutheran North is supposedly opening a middle school. Then what?
Very simple solution: Allow open enrollment in public schools.
That doesn't help rural communities. Not that easy.
If you live in Parkway SD, i am pretty sure you can go to any of the Parkway High schools.
The simple (but in reality is very complex) solution is to have Missouri have a separate private school league......they could even combined it with Kansas Schools and make it a MO/KS private school league....they can still divide by class but have them play for their own titles. This would benefit the public schools that cannot recruit.
No one would pass this. KS is trying to split Private and Public because of 1 school in the KC area. That won’t happen in KS and will never happen in MO either.
Bishop Miege and St. Thomas Aquinas. But that's about it.
But Blue Springs could load up with 12 extra D1 athletes.
Not that it is the answer.... But sometimes life is not fair, not saying it is right or wrong what is going on with small class schools in St Louis, but it is what it is. And right now at this point I think we have pretty much beat this dead horse all we can. Nothing is going to change for at least a few year. I think you will have to see a school become so dominate that MSHSAA will have to take notice and so far we don't have a private school even close to becoming that.
I don't know these coaches or kids at all, but pretty much the last few years they have been okay nothing spectacular if you really think about it. Trinity has only one state title to show for all that talent and really I don't know that it warrants all the time we have been spending on this subject. I mean Lamar won 7 straight not Lutheran North or Trinity. That could change so we will have to see.
I don't know these coaches or kids at all, but pretty much the last few years they have been okay nothing spectacular if you really think about it. Trinity has only one state title to show for all that talent and really I don't know that it warrants all the time we have been spending on this subject. I mean Lamar won 7 straight not Lutheran North or Trinity. That could change so we will have to see.
Agreed. As long as the political party in power hates public schools any kind of 'threat' to private schools will be met with swift and severe retribution.
Coaching for over 28 years huh? Well I've been the Ampipe Booster Club president nearly 30!
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Didn’t that all come about because of a certain school in St Louis was blatantly recruiting and using ineligible players,,,,so bad a book was published about it but the powers at MSHSAA still decided to look the other way??? State wanted to know how they could overlook behavior so bad a coach ended up going to jail??
Came on the heels of Pembroke Hill losing three titles for paying the Rush boys to play basketball for them
Part of the deal at the time was MSHSAA agreed to investigate all allegations of rules violations no matter the source.
Obviously with everything going on in football in St Louis their word means nothing
The actual most simple answer, which I prefer, is to go back 50+ years. Everyone plays a 10-game schedule, then kids get a couple of weeks off before basketball/wrestling season.
School athletic lessons can be taught in 10 weeks.
School athletic lessons can be taught in 10 weeks.
Why not give all schools the option of playing in the division that they want. You can opt out of the current set up and play in a separate division that excludes the privates, the publics that recruit, or the schools that take the shady "move-in"s.
won't be able to call it the rec. league division because that would harm self esteem but at the end of the season they kids can run thru the victory tunnel that the parents make on the sideline.
Let me break it to you, there people that are complaining the loudest are still not going to win a state championship no matter how many schools they try to exclude.
won't be able to call it the rec. league division because that would harm self esteem but at the end of the season they kids can run thru the victory tunnel that the parents make on the sideline.
Let me break it to you, there people that are complaining the loudest are still not going to win a state championship no matter how many schools they try to exclude.
What’s so hard about having private schools have their own classes???
I mean it’s good enough for Texas ain’t it??
nothing, but don't assume that all public schools want to play in the rec league division. again, what is the answer to the public schools that recruit or take the shady "move-ins"?
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Vashon got busted for doing what private schools do.
Honestly if youve never coached at a class 1 school and seen another class 1 run out with 80 to 100 kids (and no iep kids or joey bagodonuts on the team) then you just wont get it.
It is satisfying seeing private schools lose when they have every advantage
Guess Lamar should just quit practicing? It ain't over til it's over. I don't think anyone in SW MO is going to lay down because of the perceived talent level of any opponent.
It’s the private’s that would end up being rec league I would think.
I have a very good friend who lives in Allen Texas and have went to a couple of games down there. NOBODY in Texas even talks about the private schools
No private school has won Class 2 in decades. JBS lost 3 consecutive years to public schools before finally getting it in 2016. Trinity won ONE championship and the “Chicken Little” fans are prepared to write off the season before the very first kickoff.
I sure hope the actual players from any of your schools don’t feel the same way you do.
The two options that would finally stop all of the crying and excuses, are to ...
A). Have open enrollment for EVERY public school, like Arizona does. Which means every school district gets equal funding for education and activities, benefiting EVERY kid everywhere in Missouri. Especially, small rural schools with dwindling resources and tax bases.
Or ...
B). Split publics and privates, reset the classifications for both based on enrollments into fewer teams for public schools and make privates play in 2 divisions ... small schools (under 600) and large schools (over 600).
Open transfers with no ineligiblity in EITHER scenario.
I sure hope the actual players from any of your schools don’t feel the same way you do.
The two options that would finally stop all of the crying and excuses, are to ...
A). Have open enrollment for EVERY public school, like Arizona does. Which means every school district gets equal funding for education and activities, benefiting EVERY kid everywhere in Missouri. Especially, small rural schools with dwindling resources and tax bases.
Or ...
B). Split publics and privates, reset the classifications for both based on enrollments into fewer teams for public schools and make privates play in 2 divisions ... small schools (under 600) and large schools (over 600).
Open transfers with no ineligiblity in EITHER scenario.
no c1 team has ever had 80 to 100 kids on the sideline. nice try but it has never happened.
Missouri football isn’t Texas football, and never will be. Parents that can afford tuition will send their kids to the best private schools they can afford ... unless they choose to move into a public school district that they’re satisfied with. College recruiters will go to where the best recruits are, and right now, that’s St. Louis REGARDLESS of whether it’s public or private.
The only Class 2 school that does, happens to be the one that had 7 consecutive championships. I don’t recall too many public schools they stomped out complaining about it though.
I am torn on open enrollment. There is about 80 acres of land I would love to purchase and build a house on. The issue is it is in Verona's school district the land next to it is in Monett's but it is not for sale and if it was it would go for about $2,000 more an acre because it is in Monett's school district. So this means I have to pony up over $10,000 a month for my kids to go to Monett schools or just let them go to Verona which offers nothing. Be nice if I could just say hey I want to move my tax dollars over to Monett and let my kids go there. I just don't know, but small public schools like Verona don't offer and can't offer enough for kids.
People forget how much power the booster club wields until it is time to run a coach outta town.
if they break up Pub/Priv. I pretty sure the privates would leave Mshsaa and start a new org open to anyone that wants to join. Only a dunce would stick with the mshsaa.
Thats why it will never happen.
everyone on this board seems to be book smart, not too many are street smart
Thats why it will never happen.
everyone on this board seems to be book smart, not too many are street smart
Only 5 or 6 private schools have won football championships in the past ten years across all classes. And some of those schools are no longer the forces they used to be. JBS is not the same program it once was. Vianney had a special class come through that will be tough to duplicate. Valle does not own class 1 anymore. Rockhurst is not head and shoulders above the KC area public schools. Trinity will have question marks since their strong senior class graduated. Only CBC has been able to sustain championship level sucess thus far. DeSmet is building something and LN will break through eventually but the majority of private schools are not as strong as they are made out to be. If you split the schools up, you will see the same public schools winning each year. Just the way sports goes, there are always haves and have nots.
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