Small COC Prediction
- Thread starter Liberator Dad
- Start date
We'll have to see. They're going to be right there in the thick of it, that's for sure. At this point, I think it's down to Catholic/Bolivar. IMO.
Bolivar has not looked very good the last two weeks. They kept it close but not the teams we've had in the past. It would be a great win against RS to send us in to conference play if we can pull it off. Have my fingers crossed.
I know the COC small is just starting this week but, any ideas on who Bolivar will play next year after the COC small goes away? Is there ANYONE on this years schedule that isn't full up with conference games next year?
This is the schedule for the next two years as we play without a conference:
@ Eldon
MV Liberty
@ Hannibal
Marshall
KC Center
@ Union
Clinton
@ Pitt KS
Cape
@ Eldon
MV Liberty
@ Hannibal
Marshall
KC Center
@ Union
Clinton
@ Pitt KS
Cape
LibDad - Those are some long bus rides. Have to imagine that it doesn't sit well with most fans to not see at a Willard, Buffalo, Branson, Republic or other tradition COC team on that schedule.
Lol. It doesn't sit well at all. No one wanted a score-running-up, classless school in their conference. Can't blame them. Why we moved to the big 8, I dunno, but it's nice seeing Bolivar reaping what they've sewn.
417 - Ive been a hater of Bolivar for a while for many of the same reasons. I do feel it stinks for those kids that are having to go through it now, that really had nothing to do with the previous years. I guess that is just me getting soft in my old age.
I don't have a dog in this fight but that is an unfair statement. I've watched several of their sports teams sub out when teams in their conference could not compete. A few of their schools stopped complaining and started getting better and it got a lot more competitive. On the flip side...There were schools that drilled Bolivar every year and I never heard anyone of their coaches or community members complain about it...they just tried to get better. In fairness I only knew one of their coaches and a couple people from Bolivar but that was my take on those people. I didn't hear the OC complaining about Glendale last year...They studied them to get figure out how to beat them and Hillcrest pulled off the upset last week. There may be more to come from the OC. Reeds Spring did that in your conference with Bolivar football and beat them last year. They just got better and pulled off the upset. Whatever school you are from should do the same...compete and get better. Don't hate on a school because they have had a little success.
Dive - I do get that and it does stink for those kids. But it also stunk for those kids who Bolivar straight up worked and continued to work despite the game being over and the coaches calling timeouts to run the score up even more. That's pretty rough
Southwest - I'm not talking about scheme or talent, I'm talking about class. You know you have an issue with your reputation when the Superintendent is furious that you're running the score up. Period. That's the issue.
Southwest - I'm not talking about scheme or talent, I'm talking about class. You know you have an issue with your reputation when the Superintendent is furious that you're running the score up. Period. That's the issue.
With all due respect this is horse shit. I have never tried to hide my identity but I can't stand it when people come on this board with a moniker and attack the credibility of coaches and programs. My son played for Lance Roweton for four years and I kept statistics for the team for five years as did a good friend of mine who had a son who played on the team as well.
The superintendent you are referring to was upset about one play. During a game against Branson a player from that team took a vicious cheap shot on one of our players. I am not a candy ass. I know football is a contact sport and if you go back and look at every one of my posts you will see that I don't complain about poor referees nor do I complain when Webb City lays the wood on us. WE HAVE TO GET BETTER TO COMPETE. That aside, this was the kind of hit that could have seriously injured a prone player. The touchdown that was scored on the next possession by Bolivar was a "don't do that shit again" touchdown.
It pissed of the superintendent for reasons I will never understand. He left later by the way because he was ineffective in his job and the writing was on the wall. So please don't pretend as if his opinion was the Holy Grail on the topic. The only people who had a problem with it were him and the administrators who didn't have the courage to push back against him. But the community did. Everyone at that game knew what happened and the outcry from the public at large was so strong that the administration corrected course.
My son was a starter and very rarely ever got to play a full third quarter because the starters has been pulled in Small COC games so many times. There is nothing a coach can do about a team that can't prevent JV players from scoring in the third and fourth quarters with starters. I can tell you that I talked with a few of the administrators from other schools in the COC and the issue was not with the scores in football but, with the relationship our administration had with others. So all I am asking is that you don't come on here under a moniker and spread half-truths.
Will Westmoreland
Bolivar, MO
Last edited:
Holy cow! Ampipe had some serious drama and problems, but this is on a whole new level! I find that trashing the head coaches lawn and house, or in this case the superintendent, really does the trick to get things fixed!
William, for the love of all things Bolivar don't put your home address on here! It is the internet after all, which is why I remain anonymous. I've already put too much info with my user name and what conference my school is in.
Your post was spoken like a true, self righteous Liberator. Some of us are even wondering about your true feelings for the previous head coach with how devout you are to him Make up all the excuses you want for your precious blue and gold school but cheap shots happen all the time in football, lots go unnoticed (maybe you'd know this if you actually watched football). So that was a "message" sent to Branson is a poor excuse for them continuing to do what they do - run the score up. I don't care who you talked to and how much you love Bolivar's head coaches, but that's what Bolivar was know for and everyone was sick if it. No half truths for people tired of a school that should've moved up to the large COC when they had the chance.
You two are starting to sound like Coach Nickerson/Stef yelling back and forth at each other in the alley!! Either trash someones house or black ball them and move on!
I think you do have a dog in this fight! All your previous posts are about Bolivar LOL.
This has been posted on here before and can be accessed on MSHSAA's website if people would just do a little research of their own so they have accurate information before posting. Anyways, here are the enrollment numbers...YET AGAIN!
This is according to MSHSAA for the small COC schools:
Marshfield- 940
Bolivar- 804
Logan Rogersville- 700
Reeds Spring- 621
Springfield Catholic- 534
Hollister-491
Buffalo- 458
AND the Large COC as of the most recent enrollment numbers:
Branson- 1430
Carl Junction- 1006
Carthage- 1356
Neosho- 1316
Nixa- 1733
Republic- 1389
Ozark- 1632
Webb City- 1117
Willard- 1324
and Joplin will join in 2018 and they currently report an enrollment of 2216.
This is according to MSHSAA for the small COC schools:
Marshfield- 940
Bolivar- 804
Logan Rogersville- 700
Reeds Spring- 621
Springfield Catholic- 534
Hollister-491
Buffalo- 458
AND the Large COC as of the most recent enrollment numbers:
Branson- 1430
Carl Junction- 1006
Carthage- 1356
Neosho- 1316
Nixa- 1733
Republic- 1389
Ozark- 1632
Webb City- 1117
Willard- 1324
and Joplin will join in 2018 and they currently report an enrollment of 2216.
LOL... So I am a gay, football-ignorant Liberator sycophant. I get it. I put my name when I posted because I think that is the right thing to do when your calling someone out for attacking a coach and a program. Something which isn't supposed to be allowed on this board. I don't have any hard feelings toward you but I do think what you are doing is wrong. I guess I feel like doing so without having the courage to put your name on it is wrong. My only point in discussing the reasons behind the move is because, unlike you, I have spoken with people involved in the decision-making and it had nothing to do with high scores.
I am also wary of people who create a moniker just to come on and bash a specific program. That's always a good sign that it is someone close to the situation with an axe to grind. And, for the record, anyone who knows squat about the COC, knows that the former football coach and two others did vote to move to the Large COC. The school didn't make the move because it made no sense for all of the programs.Look at the totals:
Branson High School 1430
Carthage High School 1356
Carl Junction High School 1006
Neosho High School 1316
Nixa High School 1733
Ozark High School 1632
Republic High School 1389
Webb City High School 1177
Willard High School 1324
Joplin High School High School 2216
Average Enrollment 1458
Bolivar has an enrollment of 804. It's not even the largest school in the Small COC!
Marshfield 940
Bolivar 804
Rogersville 681
Reeds Spring 621
Springfield Catholic 534
Hollister 491
Buffalo 458
Average Enrollment 647
So you want Bolivar to go play schools in all sports who are on average 654 students larger than them just because schools who are only 157 students smaller can't beat them regularly on the football field? That's just silly man. Anyway, we are not going to change each other's minds but at least we know who has the facts on their side and who is just spitting in the wind. You can have the last word Mr. Anonymous.
I am also wary of people who create a moniker just to come on and bash a specific program. That's always a good sign that it is someone close to the situation with an axe to grind. And, for the record, anyone who knows squat about the COC, knows that the former football coach and two others did vote to move to the Large COC. The school didn't make the move because it made no sense for all of the programs.Look at the totals:
Branson High School 1430
Carthage High School 1356
Carl Junction High School 1006
Neosho High School 1316
Nixa High School 1733
Ozark High School 1632
Republic High School 1389
Webb City High School 1177
Willard High School 1324
Joplin High School High School 2216
Average Enrollment 1458
Bolivar has an enrollment of 804. It's not even the largest school in the Small COC!
Marshfield 940
Bolivar 804
Rogersville 681
Reeds Spring 621
Springfield Catholic 534
Hollister 491
Buffalo 458
Average Enrollment 647
So you want Bolivar to go play schools in all sports who are on average 654 students larger than them just because schools who are only 157 students smaller can't beat them regularly on the football field? That's just silly man. Anyway, we are not going to change each other's minds but at least we know who has the facts on their side and who is just spitting in the wind. You can have the last word Mr. Anonymous.
Bosko... I might get my house trashed since I put my name on here lol. Maybe you and the old crew from Ampipe better come set up a security perimeter around my homestead.
I gotta agree with Bosko on this one. Either trash the coaches/superintendents yard and house or black ball someone and move on!
Love it J. Kane. You are correct. I honestly don't have a huge opinion on most things on this board. I don't comment on much of anything... The reason I comment on the Bolivar issue is because I go to about 1 of their games a year in each sport and have never seen any of their teams win or lose without class. I think they get a bad wrap! People get way too worked up about them. Nothing more nothing less.I think you do have a dog in this fight! All your previous posts are about Bolivar LOL.
As a Lamar Tiger and Big 8 fan, I would have liked to see Bolivar join the conference. The only way to get better is to play top notch competition. Lamar is the smallest school enrollment wise in the Big 8. Several schools are twice or even three times as large. The reason Lamar has done so well the past decade (besides having a great Coach), is because of the great competition they play in the Big 8. When districts and state playoffs come around, Lamar has already played teams as good or better than any of the teams they will face in the playoffs. So, they are not in awe of anyone they face.
So even though Bolivar is smaller than the other schools in the large COC, it would make them better if they played that type of competition on a weekly basis. Sure, they would take their lumps during conference play, but they would be better prepared for Class 4 state competition.
So even though Bolivar is smaller than the other schools in the large COC, it would make them better if they played that type of competition on a weekly basis. Sure, they would take their lumps during conference play, but they would be better prepared for Class 4 state competition.
How long has Bolivar not been the top school enrollment wise in the small COC? Have they been consistent around 800 or have they dropped? I had no idea Marshfield had grown to that number.
I know when they made the jump to C4. I just was curious when Marshfield jumped them in enrollement
It seems like Marshfield was ahead of them when I moved back home to Bolivar in 2007.
Sounds like the Liberators have Small COC Envy
Got cha....I was able to find enrollment back to 2012 and Bolivar was actually in the 700s, Marshfield around 950...Thanks to whoever initially posted those numbers. I honestly did not know that. Im not a Bolivar fan (respectfully) but will defend that argument if I see it.
Youre darn right you agree with me!!! In my experience, thats the easiest, quickest, and most efficient way to make football changes in a small town.
Sounds like the Liberators have Small COC Envy
Nah, I lost envy after the 13th or 14th consecutive conference championship. I'd like to see us go in to the Ozark Conference and begin to compete there. Maybe that will happen after the current administration changes.
Here are the DESE history Numbers, going back to 1991 Marshfield has always been bigger. I guess if they did not suck in football the case could be made that they should have been put in the COC large. So really is this all about winning and not size or people would be howling about Marshfield. And I threw is CJ just for good measure so people could see the growth comparison and they did join the COC large.
https://mcds.dese.mo.gov/quickfacts/pages/district-and-school-information.aspx
Bolivar Marshfield Carl Junction
1991 472 686 646
1992 468 700 655
1993 476 711 645
1994 525 721 620
1995 603 738 663
1996 632 741 667
1997 636 781 720
1998 667 759 726
1999 631 767 711
2000 659 773 735
2001 665 771 748
2002 723 797 772
2003 744 789 765
2004 745 866 821
2005 739 860 832
2006 782 844 865
2007 792 911 931
2008 817 943 916
2009 815 931 923
2010 796 958 966
2011 863 931 945
2012 793 920 958
2013 809 947 993
2014 850 907 983
2015 888 963 1026
2016 880 940 1026
https://mcds.dese.mo.gov/quickfacts/pages/district-and-school-information.aspx
Bolivar Marshfield Carl Junction
1991 472 686 646
1992 468 700 655
1993 476 711 645
1994 525 721 620
1995 603 738 663
1996 632 741 667
1997 636 781 720
1998 667 759 726
1999 631 767 711
2000 659 773 735
2001 665 771 748
2002 723 797 772
2003 744 789 765
2004 745 866 821
2005 739 860 832
2006 782 844 865
2007 792 911 931
2008 817 943 916
2009 815 931 923
2010 796 958 966
2011 863 931 945
2012 793 920 958
2013 809 947 993
2014 850 907 983
2015 888 963 1026
2016 880 940 1026
Well Joplin is moving out of the OC, and unless Central decides to join(which is very doubtful given their lack of success as an independent), the conference will have a spot open for sure, but I can't see Bolivar wanting to join the OC, the enrollment difference would look as follows:
School / Enrollment / Classification
Bolivar / 804 / Class 4
Hillcrest / 1,016 / Class 4
West Plains / 1,092 / Class 4
Rolla / 1,273 / Class 4
Camdenton / 1,297 / Class 4
Parkview / 1,347 / Class 5
Glendale / 1,361 / Class 5
Lebanon / 1,466 / Class 5
Waynesville / 1,627 / Class 5
Kickapoo / 1,800 / Class 6
School / Enrollment / Classification
Bolivar / 804 / Class 4
Hillcrest / 1,016 / Class 4
West Plains / 1,092 / Class 4
Rolla / 1,273 / Class 4
Camdenton / 1,297 / Class 4
Parkview / 1,347 / Class 5
Glendale / 1,361 / Class 5
Lebanon / 1,466 / Class 5
Waynesville / 1,627 / Class 5
Kickapoo / 1,800 / Class 6
We wanted too and we were offered but we waited too long so they accepted Central. When we came back it was too late. It would have been a great move but just another dropped ball. (Pardon the pun)
I admit I'm a greenhorn on here but need to point out the obvious. You say you wanted to join the OC, how about pushing your AD to schedule some tough opponents while you are independent and proving you belong in a larger conference.
Next year you will play 4 class 4 teams, 4 class 3 teams and 1 class two.
Why would the OC want a school that schedules down?
Nine games and only play at your level in 4 of them, huh
And before you make the independent excuse, the COMO schools and Jeff City are all independent. Surely they could have gotten a game or two from one of them.
Lol guess you are missing the reference.
I agree with you on the schedule. I looked at that schedule put out by Liberator Dad and I thought the same thing. That is not on the coach though...
I'm not taking anyone's side on this, but you say they surely could have gotten a game out of Jeff City, Rock Bridge, or Hickman...
Why would Bolivar(a school with an enrollment of barely over 800 students) want to play the likes of Jeff City(Enrollment: 2,500), Rock Bridge(Enrollment: 1,866), or Hickman(Enrollment: 1,660) in their first year of being an independent?
Especially when its blatantly obvious that they're having what would be considered a down year thus far in their last year in the COC Small?
Granted, Webb has played some of the KC Power schools and JC and some of the Arkansas powers in years past, but Bolivar is NOT Webb City.
And you must realize that almost all of the Large Class schools in SWMO are in a conference so large that they have absolutely no open slots on their schedule.
Again, I'm not taking anyone's side on this matter, I do believe that they should schedule some tougher opponents as independents, but to say that they should schedule some of the biggest Class 6 schools in the state to prove they're worthy of an entrance into a large school conference is a little out there.
I can't even be for sure that they would compete with most of the OC or the COC Large. The last 3-4 years, I could see Bolivar finishing about 5th place in the OC on average. Hell, two years ago, they played a 1-win Hillcrest team in districts and won by 2 TDs. And then the next week, played West Plains who I don't even think was ahead of them in the state rankings, and got drilled 48-12 by the Zizzers in the district semis.
Decided to compile some information for the Bolivar COC Large debate.
Here is how Bolivar has fared against the COC-Large since 2010:
2010
Win v.s. Neosho 26-19 Neosho's Record: 5-5
Loss vs Webb 48-13 Webb's Record: 15-0
2011
Win vs Neosho 42-0 Neosho's Record: 2-8
Loss vs Webb 35-21 Webb's Record: 15-0
2012
Win vs Neosho 45-7 Neosho's Record: 0-10
Loss vs Branson 19-8 Branson's Record 4-7
2013
Win vs Neosho 51-14 Neosho's Record: 0-10
Win vs Branson 17-7 Branson's Record 5-6
2014
Loss vs Ozark 27-25 Ozark's Record: 5-6
Loss vs Branson 38-14 Branson's Record: 2-8
Loss vs Webb 56-7 Webb's Record: 15-0
2015
Win vs Ozark 28-7 Ozark's Record: 1-9
Win vs Branson 52-6 Branson's Record: 2-9
2016
Loss vs Republic 27-18 Republic's Record: 2-8
Loss vs Willard 48-42 Willard's Record: 4-7
Loss vs Ozark 34-12 Ozark's Record: 8-3
Loss vs CJ 50-21 CJ's Record: 9-3
Overall: 7-10 against teams with a combined record of 94-99
Check this out, if you omit Webb City from this list it brings Bolivar's total to:
Overall: 7-7 against teams with a combined record of 49-99
Not joining the COC Large was probably the smartest thing Bolivar ever did, whether people want to admit it or not.
Here is how Bolivar has fared against the COC-Large since 2010:
2010
Win v.s. Neosho 26-19 Neosho's Record: 5-5
Loss vs Webb 48-13 Webb's Record: 15-0
2011
Win vs Neosho 42-0 Neosho's Record: 2-8
Loss vs Webb 35-21 Webb's Record: 15-0
2012
Win vs Neosho 45-7 Neosho's Record: 0-10
Loss vs Branson 19-8 Branson's Record 4-7
2013
Win vs Neosho 51-14 Neosho's Record: 0-10
Win vs Branson 17-7 Branson's Record 5-6
2014
Loss vs Ozark 27-25 Ozark's Record: 5-6
Loss vs Branson 38-14 Branson's Record: 2-8
Loss vs Webb 56-7 Webb's Record: 15-0
2015
Win vs Ozark 28-7 Ozark's Record: 1-9
Win vs Branson 52-6 Branson's Record: 2-9
2016
Loss vs Republic 27-18 Republic's Record: 2-8
Loss vs Willard 48-42 Willard's Record: 4-7
Loss vs Ozark 34-12 Ozark's Record: 8-3
Loss vs CJ 50-21 CJ's Record: 9-3
Overall: 7-10 against teams with a combined record of 94-99
Check this out, if you omit Webb City from this list it brings Bolivar's total to:
Overall: 7-7 against teams with a combined record of 49-99
Not joining the COC Large was probably the smartest thing Bolivar ever did, whether people want to admit it or not.
For the same reason Mt View Liberty at 327 students scheduled Bolivar with 804 students. I think the point is that people outside of Bolivar feel like the school district has been pretty cocky for years while beating up on the likes of Buffalo with 458 students or Hollister with 491 etc. I understand it isn't the kids, parents or coaches making these decisions. I also understand that the conference realignment has been in the making for several years and if the community would have been proactive this could have been avoided. Not going to get a lot of sympathy from most COC schools.
