Sikeston 74 - Jackson 44 final

[rocketsbro]

Game was at Jackson. Sikeston's D is tough. They are playing some pretty great ball right now. I hope they keep it up.

As an FYI, Sikeston added Jennings to their schedule for Wednesday, February 24, to make up for the Cape Shootout game that was cancelled.

 

[metro-dude]

Game was at Jackson. Sikeston's D is tough. They are playing some pretty great ball right now. I hope they keep it up.

As an FYI, Sikeston added Jennings to their schedule for Wednesday, February 24, to make up for the Cape Shootout game that was cancelled.

Game was at Jackson. Sikeston's D is tough. They are playing some pretty great ball right now. I hope they keep it up.

As an FYI, Sikeston added Jennings to their schedule for Wednesday, February 24, to make up for the Cape Shootout game that was cancelled.

Rocket and Train, Adding Jennings to the Bulldogs schedule will help. Sikeston has 8 " Clock Jobs " to date out of 13 games. This is an indication that the schedule is weak and needs an upgrade to improve chances for a class 4 state championship. Adding Jennings 12-2 to the schedule will help but it's to late in the year for major practice corrections. The problem with playing a non competitive schedule is coaches do not make corrections after a " Clock Jobs " but do more celebrating then correcting. This will hurt when playing teams with size like Parkway West or teams with quickness like Jennings.

Mfloyd reported the the 2011 Sikeston ( 30-0 ) team run the table and won a class 4 state championship ( Sikeston only state championship to date ). Can the Bulldogs get their second state championship in 2016?

 

[rocketsbro]

You clearly do not know Gregg Holifield and have never been to one of his practices. They will be fine. Jackson is a Class 5 SEMO conference opponent that placed second in the Southeast Missourian Christmas Tourney. They will likely win their district. How about you just acknowledge that Sikeston is pretty dang salty this year?

 

[Rocket689]

Rocket and Train, Adding Jennings to the Bulldogs schedule will help. Sikeston has 7 " Clock Jobs " to date out of 13 games. This is an indication that the schedule is weak and needs an upgrade to improve chances for a class 4 state championship. Adding Jennings 12-2 to the schedule will help but it's to late in the year for major practice corrections. The problem with playing a non competitive schedule is coaches do not make corrections after a " Clock Jobs " but do more celebrating then correcting. This will hurt when playing teams with size like Parkway West or teams with quickness like Jennings.

Mfloyd reported the the 2011 Sikeston ( 30-0 ) team run the table and won a class 4 state championship ( Sikeston only state championship to date ). Can the Bulldogs get their second state championship in 2016?

Metro...it's interesting that you have so much knowledge about the Dogs, but have not seen them practice or play one time. In that same regard...you may be correct about the Dogs losing to a "bigger" team. However, it will have nothing to do with our schedule. We played essentially the same schedule in 2011. I realize that you and others want the Dogs to schedule other teams in the hope that we lose. However, at the end of the day, I will defer to our coaching staff regarding our schedule. They have a "decent" track record. Maybe, just maybe, the Dogs are pretty decent and have a decent coaching staff. That may be possible....

 

[sikeston train]

Metro the same happened in 2011 we ave 30 points per victory for the season and the same for most of the playoffs didn't seem to bother them then that team was a bit deeper than this one but this team shoots the ball much better imo but only time will tell but I will tell u this it will take a very good team to beat the dogs this year

 

[Rocket689]

Metro the same happened in 2011 we ave 30 points per victory for the season and the same for most of the playoffs didn't seem to bother them then that team was a bit deeper than this one but this team shoots the ball much better imo but only time will tell but I will tell u this it will take a very good team to beat the dogs this year

Agreed, train. This year's version isn't quite as deep, but this year's team shoots it better, overall, than the 2011 group. And, I think this group has more team speed.

 

[MFloyd]

Metro are you insinuating that Coach Holifield doesn't know what he's doing? That he is an incompetent coach? It sure sounds like it.

 

[Rocket689]

Metro...also Sikeston has 8 "clock jobs" not 7. Just wanted to clarify.

 

[sikeston train]

If we lose somewhere along the way it's not goin to be because of our schedule it will be because we got beat by a better team.... And in District 1 if u don't come really to play every nite u will get beat

 

[metro-dude]

Metro are you insinuating that Coach Holifield doesn't know what he's doing? That he is an incompetent coach? It sure sounds like it.

Mloyd I'm not insinuating anything but I am saying Sikeston plays a weak schedule. The Sikeston Bulldogs have " Eight Clock Jobs " in 13 games. Either the Dogs are very good or the schedule is very weak. The Dogs start a freshman and a sophomore who are the better players on the team. Sikeston plays in two tournament in St. Charles County with only one team with a St. Louis area ranking and that will not last. Sikeston has won 18 of 19 games against soft competition in St. Charles County over the last 5 years. Class 3, 4 and 5 teams in SEMO are having a below par year.

I have seen Sikeston play in a jam earlier this year and have communication with people who have seen Sikeston play numerous times this year. I'm guessing it's possible for a team to win a state championship playing a weak schedule but a well placed lose could help the Bulldogs to achieve their goals of a class 4 state championship. As stated before correction by coaching staffs are made in close wins and loses and very little improvement can be made with " Clock Jobs " and 15 point wins.

Mfloyd, I'm sure you believe the Bulldogs are for real but what happens when the game is on the line, a free throw or defensive stop is needed to win the game. Can the Sikeston players preform under extreme pressure when the schedule did not present " Extreme Pressure " to win in the last few seconds of the game? Your answer is " I don't know ", but it's gonna happen.

Mfloyd, to win a state championship, Sikeston will need to defeat a team better then they are and they have not done that to date.

Train, Rocket and Mfloyd, I try to speak the truth and never cheer against Southeast Missouri team.

 

[metro-dude]

If we lose somewhere along the way it's not goin to be because of our schedule it will be because we got beat by a better team.... And in District 1 if u don't come really to play every nite u will get beat

Train who are the teams in class 4 district 1 who can defeat the undefeated Sikeston Bulldogs? ( District @ Sikeston )

1, Sikeston
2. Cape Central
3. Kennett
4. Cape Notre Dame
5. Perryville
6. Dexter

Name the teams who can defeat Sikeston?----Train, you are on the clock.

 

[metro-dude]

You clearly do not know Gregg Holifield and have never been to one of his practices. They will be fine. Jackson is a Class 5 SEMO conference opponent that placed second in the Southeast Missourian Christmas Tourney. They will likely win their district. How about you just acknowledge that Sikeston is pretty dang salty this year?

Rocket, how many times this season has Jackson been clocked? Jackson lost lots of players last season. I'm sure they will recover but not this season. I have Poplar Bluff winning class 5 district 1 then going down in flames in sectionals.

 

[Rocket689]

Mloyd I'm not insinuating anything but I am saying Sikeston plays a weak schedule. The Sikeston Bulldogs have " Eight Clock Jobs " in 13 games. Either the Dogs are very good or the schedule is very weak. The Dogs start a freshman and a sophomore who are the better players on the team. Sikeston plays in two tournament in St. Charles County with only one team with a St. Louis area ranking and that will not last. Sikeston has won 18 of 19 games against soft competition in St. Charles County over the last 5 years. Class 3, 4 and 5 teams in SEMO are having a below par year.

I have seen Sikeston play in a jam earlier this year and have communication with people who have seen Sikeston play numerous times this year. I'm guessing it's possible for a team to win a state championship playing a weak schedule but a well placed lose could help the Bulldogs to achieve their goals of a class 4 state championship. As stated before correction by coaching staffs are made in close wins and loses and very little improvement can be made with " Clock Jobs " and 15 point wins.

Mfloyd, I'm sure you believe the Bulldogs are for real but what happens when the game is on the line, a free throw or defensive stop is needed to win the game. Can the Sikeston players preform under extreme pressure when the schedule did not present " Extreme Pressure " to win in the last few seconds of the game? Your answer is " I don't know ", but it's gonna happen.

Mfloyd, to win a state championship, Sikeston will need to defeat a team better then they are and they have not done that to date.

Train, Rocket and Mfloyd, I try to speak the truth and never cheer against Southeast Missouri team.

Metro....I would not put Blytheville and Carbondale as weak opponents. They are both quality opponents.

Additionally, the SEMO Conference is no cupcake. I saw in Webster's gym where they had something like 80+ consecutive wins in their conference. That will NEVER happen in the SEMO Conference. I'm not doubting WG at all. They are a GREAT program, but 80 straight won't happen down this way. Period.

Also...how do you know Sikeston "will have to beat a team better than we are?" Why doesn't that apply to the other teams? What IF we are actually better than them? A state title is no certainty, but I'll take my chances with this squad.

Finally, we played the Vashon team at the Rib City tournament this summer. We beat them. I'm not 100% sure if they had all of their kids, but they had 85-90% of them.

 

[metro-dude]

Metro....I would not put Blytheville and Carbondale as weak opponents. They are both quality opponents.

Additionally, the SEMO Conference is no cupcake. I saw in Webster's gym where they had something like 80+ consecutive wins in their conference. That will NEVER happen in the SEMO Conference. I'm not doubting WG at all. They are a GREAT program, but 80 straight won't happen down this way. Period.

Also...how do you know Sikeston "will have to beat a team better than we are?" Why doesn't that apply to the other teams? What IF we are actually better than them? A state title is no certainty, but I'll take my chances with this squad.

Finally, we played the Vashon team at the Rib City tournament this summer. We beat them. I'm not 100% sure if they had all of their kids, but they had 85-90% of them.

Rocket, It's hard to make an argument on your insight about Webster. Webster does play in the Meramec Christmas Tournament and another out of town tournament as well. Last season Webster played in the Palms tournament in Florida and was over matched in the semi finals. The Statesmen play in a soft conference with large enrollments and basketball is not a top priority. Webster does however improve their non conference schedule and tournaments. Webster has played

1. St. Louis University High
2. Hazelwood Central--Lost this one
3. Vianney
4. Rock Bridge
5. Kirkwood
6. Parkway West
7. Smith-Cotton
8. Jackson, Mo--beat Jackson 68-44

 

[sikeston train]

Metro u have to understand we have thought we have had good teams before and have not made it out of our district we take nothing for granted and play one game at a time

 

[Rocket689]

Rocket, how many times this season has Jackson been clocked? Jackson lost lots of players last season. I'm sure they will recover but not this season. I have Poplar Bluff winning class 5 district 1 then going down in flames in sectionals.

Metro....I'm not a 100% sure, but I think Jackson has only been clocked once...last night.

Also...just re-read one of your earlier posts discussing the Dogs personnel. Our best player, no doubt, is a sophomore. Not sure what that has to do with anything....but he is one of the top 5-10 players in the state regardless of class. We also have 2 senior marksmen who can flat shoot the rock...but they don't get the hype of the younger two, but are equally as impressive. That's why I don't lend much credence to your statements because you don't really know the personnel. One senior, in fact, is the second-leading scorer on the team.

 

[Rocket689]

And...we have two players averaging double figures and three that average 9.6, 9.1, and 8.6. It's FAR from a two man show. It's a VERY balanced scoring attack....by design.

 

[metro-dude]

And...we have two players averaging double figures and three that average 9.6, 9.1, and 8.6. It's FAR from a two man show. It's a VERY balanced scoring attack....by design.

Rocket, I enjoy reading your post however when discussion a state championship there are many things to consider. Let's look @ the best team with the most talent Missourian have seen in many years. I am talking about Chaminade. Chaminade did not have senior leadership until this year. Chaminade has not won a state championship with Tatum's group to date. They were the favorite last season and was talking state championship 3 years ago. Class 5 is much harder to win then class 4.

Sikeston has a nice team, has not been tested to date, has 8 " Clock Jobs " in 13 games with more on the way in the Zumwalt North tournament, DeSoto and Bernie in Southeast Missouri. Train, Mfloyd , Rocket and a few Sikeston fans are convinced it's the talent of the team, not the schedule that makes the Sikeston Bulldogs 13-0 roll. You guys may be right and I hope you are correct..



1. Senior leadership
2. Talent
3. Strength of schedule
4. Tradition
5. Lucky
6. School spirit
7. Coaching

 

[sikeston train]

If that's the list u have to have we are in good shape

 

[MFloyd]

Well I would have thought Coach Holifield knew what he was doing when putting together his team's schedule. But you seem to know more than he does. You clearly have the knowledge of what it takes for the Sikeston Bulldogs to be successful and Coach Holifield does not. I find this fascinating considering Holifield has led the team to more district titles, playoff wins, final fours than any previous Sikeston coach as well as the school's lone state title. But clearly metro-dude could have done even more than Holifield has. You must have been some kind of coaching legend because I THOUGHT Holifield was a pretty good coach. But he obviously pales in comparison to metro-dude.

 

[metro-dude]

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Well I would have thought Coach Holifield knew what he was doing when putting together his team's schedule. But you seem to know more than he does. You clearly have the knowledge of what it takes for the Sikeston Bulldogs to be successful and Coach Holifield does not. I find this fascinating considering Holifield has led the team to more district titles, playoff wins, final fours than any previous Sikeston coach as well as the school's lone state title. But clearly metro-dude could have done even more than Holifield has. You must have been some kind of coaching legend because I THOUGHT Holifield was a pretty good coach. But he obviously pales in comparison to metro-dude.

Mfloyd, you are better the that. Anything I have posted is a fact, not fiction. Nobody is questioning Greg Holifield's ability to coach. Why do you get so upset when someone states Sikeston is playing a friendly schedule? I believe the facts speak for themselves. Sikeston has played 13 games to date, has 8 " Clock Jobs " , won all 13 games . What's wrong with playing a friendly schedule if it can get desired results? Sikeston is right where they need to be.

The Sikeston Bulldogs are one of the most poplar high school teams in Missouri because of the post on MoSports. Mfloyd, you are part of the success of the team.

 

[3Rfan]

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Mfloyd, you are better the that. Anything I have posted is a fact, not fiction. Nobody is questioning Greg Holifield's ability to coach. Why do you get so upset when someone states Sikeston is playing a friendly schedule? I believe the facts speak for themselves. Sikeston has played 13 games to date, has 8 " Clock Jobs " , won all 13 games . What's wrong with playing a friendly schedule if it can get desired results? Sikeston is right where they need to be.

The Sikeston Bulldogs are one of the most poplar high school teams in Missouri because of the post on MoSports. Mfloyd, you are part of the success of the team.

You might be amazed how many basketball fans in Missouri don't even know what Mosports is. I have come across several and I tell them it's a very good place to get scores from across the state and find out stuff about teams, and players, you would otherwise never here about in your own area of the state.

 

[MFloyd]

I don't like it when you insinuate that Sikeston won't be prepared for a district and state playoff run because the schedule is too soft, which is an indirect slap at Coach Holifield. Don't you think he does everything in his power to prepare his team for district and state? Don't you think he knows what is best for his team? As for as scheduling, when teams contact the school wanting to play it is a rare occasion that Sikeston declines it. Only if it's a distance problem or a scheduling problem. For example, Father Tolton contacted Sikeston wanting to play next year and I believe it is a done deal. I would consider this a quality opponent and addition to the schedule. You have harped for years about Sikeston's "soft" schedule. I never really understand your infatuation with the Bulldogs. Why don't you make fun of other teams' schedules? I won't name names, but believe me, there are plenty that play "weaker" competition than Sikeston. And we certainly don't consider our schedule soft. It's the exact same schedule we played last year and we were 6-7 at this point a year ago. How come when we win, and win big, it's not because our kids have worked their butts off and improved, but it's because everybody else is down and our schedule is soft. Maybe some of the teams we've played are down this year. Is that our fault? All I know is that no matter who we play, our kids will play their absolute hardest whether it's against an 0-20 team or a 20-0 team and that's the greatest compliment I can pay our kids.

 

[metro-dude]

I don't like it when you insinuate that Sikeston won't be prepared for a district and state playoff run because the schedule is too soft, which is an indirect slap at Coach Holifield. Don't you think he does everything in his power to prepare his team for district and state? Don't you think he knows what is best for his team? As for as scheduling, when teams contact the school wanting to play it is a rare occasion that Sikeston declines it. Only if it's a distance problem or a scheduling problem. For example, Father Tolton contacted Sikeston wanting to play next year and I believe it is a done deal. I would consider this a quality opponent and addition to the schedule. You have harped for years about Sikeston's "soft" schedule. I never really understand your infatuation with the Bulldogs. Why don't you make fun of other teams' schedules? I won't name names, but believe me, there are plenty that play "weaker" competition than Sikeston. And we certainly don't consider our schedule soft. It's the exact same schedule we played last year and we were 6-7 at this point a year ago. How come when we win, and win big, it's not because our kids have worked their butts off and improved, but it's because everybody else is down and our schedule is soft. Maybe some of the teams we've played are down this year. Is that our fault? All I know is that no matter who we play, our kids will play their absolute hardest whether it's against an 0-20 team or a 20-0 team and that's the greatest compliment I can pay our kids.

Mfloyd, According to you if anyone states Sikeston plays a " Soft Schedule ", we are saying the Sikeston head coach is a bad coach. What has playing a soft schedule got to do with bad coaching? The only one on MoSports who post about ' Bad Coaching is you? There is no insinuating anything toward the coaches @ Sikeston. I did however post that the Sikeston Bulldogs play a friendly schedule but never said anything about bad coaching, I guess you, Mfloyd disagrees with that statement.

Mfloyd, we have many teams in St. Louis, Springfield and Kansas City who play a soft schedule but I have never heard anyone connect a soft schedule to having bad coaches. Mfloyd, it appears you are the first to make that connection.

 

[sikeston train]

Well metro your post are at least entertaining since u know nothing about how Sikeston plays but it good reading for Internet boards

 

[3Rfan]

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Mfloyd, According to you if anyone states Sikeston plays a " Soft Schedule ", we are saying the Sikeston head coach is a bad coach. What has playing a soft schedule got to do with bad coaching? The only one on MoSports who post about ' Bad Coaching is you? There is no insinuating anything toward the coaches @ Sikeston. I did however post that the Sikeston Bulldogs play a friendly schedule but never said anything about bad coaching, I guess you, Mfloyd disagrees with that statement.

Mfloyd, we have many teams in St. Louis, Springfield and Kansas City who play a soft schedule but I have never heard anyone connect a soft schedule to having bad coaches. Mfloyd, it appears you are the first to make that connection.

Metro I guess he thinks since the coach makes the schedule you are saying he's bad because YOU don't think it's tough enough to prepare them for post season play. Pretty much what it sounds like to me too. I guess no one in the St.Louis area plays a 'soft schedule' and their coaches all want to get beat up every other game to make them better. Like he said, it's not their fault that other teams in the conference, and this area in general, may be down some, they still have to play them. If they scheduled some the area small schools that are better than usual you would still say they their schedule is weak. I guess they should travel all over the state for any non conference games and make sure the team they're scheduling is not going to have a down year. Take Willard, with former P.B. coach Frazier for example. They were pretty good a couple of years ago with some good players. Now they are losing a lot and scoring in the 30's. If Sikeston had set up a game with them this year you would say that's a 'freindly' game for Sikeston.

 

[marcus_aurelius]

 

[MFloyd]

No those are your words. You indicate that Holifield may not have his team prepared for the playoffs due to a soft or friendly schedule. YOU have said that. Don't try to snake out of it now.

But again, you're apparently a championship coach that can do a better job with the Sikeston Bulldogs so who am I to argue with that.?

 

[DOGFATHER1]

No those are your words. You indicate that Holifield may not have his team prepared for the playoffs due to a soft or friendly schedule. YOU have said that. Don't try to snake out of it now.

But again, you're apparently a championship coach that can do a better job with the Sikeston Bulldogs so who am I to argue with that.?

It would appear that the Dude's Viagra prescription has ran out and he's looking for other things to prod... lol...
C =/~

 

[metro-dude]

No those are your words. You indicate that Holifield may not have his team prepared for the playoffs due to a soft or friendly schedule. YOU have said that. Don't try to snake out of it now.

But again, you're apparently a championship coach that can do a better job with the Sikeston Bulldogs so who am I to argue with that.?

Sikeston did a ' Clocked Job on " Notre Dame" during the 2014-15 season but Cape Notre Dame turned that lose around by defeating Sikeston in class 4 district 1. We can assume something caused this big upset allowing Cape Notre Dame to advance and Sikeston to check in their uniforms. It was most likely a " Bad Night " by the Dogs but it could have been " The Strength of the Schedule " or it could have been a " Great game plan " by the Cape Notre Dame coaching staff and executed by an experienced senior Notre Dame team. Notre Dame lost 8 or more seniors last season. The reports show Sikeston is playing the same schedule as last season.

Mfloyd posted I was insinuating the Sikeston coaching staff may not have the Sikeston Bulldogs prepared for districts and beyond because of the schedule. The Sikeston coaching staff is doing everything possible to make sure what happened last season does not happen again.

People are reading the post but not one reply agrees. This is a bad post for me.

 

[Rocket689]

Sikeston did a ' Clocked Job on " Notre Dame" during the 2014-15 season but Cape Notre Dame turned that lose around by defeating Sikeston in class 4 district 1. We can assume something caused this big upset allowing Cape Notre Dame to advance and Sikeston to check in their uniforms. It was most likely a " Bad Night " by the Dogs but it could have been " The Strength of the Schedule " or it could have been a " Great game plan " by the Cape Notre Dame coaching staff and executed by an experienced senior Notre Dame team. Notre Dame lost 8 or more seniors last season. The reports show Sikeston is playing the same schedule as last season.

Mfloyd posted I was insinuating the Sikeston coaching staff may not have the Sikeston Bulldogs prepared for districts and beyond because of the schedule. The Sikeston coaching staff is doing everything possible to make sure what happened last season does not happen again.

Metro...what you don't know about last year is that the second best player, possibly a kid as good as Thatch, was removed from the team last year along with 5 others (quitting for various reasons during the season...i.e. one moved away after the Christmas break and he was a starter) besides losing 8 seniors from the year before. THAT...in my biased opinion...and the fact that we played probably the perfect game against ND the first time...were the reasons for the loss. We constantly had to change personnel, positions, roles, etc. That's not an excuse...that's reality. No one from the program made any excuses. And, frankly, last year may have been Coach Holifield's best coaching season to get us to 18-9. We had turmoil ALL season. Not bad kids or actions...just TONS of adversity.

So, we lost 14...yes 14 kids...from one year to the next. I think we finished 18-9 (MFloyd correct me if I'm wrong) with a TOTALLY new roster and a freshman that was our leading scorer.

My point with all of that is to say we had essentially the same schedule last year and no one was criticizing our schedule. We are playing well now and undefeated, so far, and you seem hell-bent on assuming it is a weak schedule. Are we that good? Time will tell... Do we play hard with maximum effort for 4 quarters? ABSOLUTELY. Will we win every game? I don't know, but I feel like we will be in every one of them. That is a testament to our coaching staff and our kids putting in the time and work. And, before you ask, I am not a coach or parent....just a passionate, informed fan.

 

[metro-dude]

Metro...what you don't know about last year is that the second best player, possibly a kid as good as Thatch, was removed from the team last year along with 5 others (quitting for various reasons during the season...i.e. one moved away after the Christmas break and he was a starter) besides losing 8 seniors from the year before. THAT...in my biased opinion...and the fact that we played probably the perfect game against ND the first time...were the reasons for the loss. We constantly had to change personnel, positions, roles, etc. That's not an excuse...that's reality. No one from the program made any excuses. And, frankly, last year may have been Coach Holifield's best coaching season to get us to 18-9. We had turmoil ALL season. Not bad kids or actions...just TONS of adversity.

So, we lost 14...yes 14 kids...from one year to the next. I think we finished 18-9 (MFloyd correct me if I'm wrong) with a TOTALLY new roster and a freshman that was our leading scorer.

My point with all of that is to say we had essentially the same schedule last year and no one was criticizing our schedule. We are playing well now and undefeated, so far, and you seem hell-bent on assuming it is a weak schedule. Are we that good? Time will tell... Do we play hard with maximum effort for 4 quarters? ABSOLUTELY. Will we win every game? I don't know, but I feel like we will be in every one of them. That is a testament to our coaching staff and our kids putting in the time and work. And, before you ask, I am not a coach or parent....just a passionate, informed fan.

Well put Rocket. 2016 may be the " Perfect Storm " for the Sikeston Bulldogs. The season ending lose to Norte Dame last season has been explained.