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Should we scrap our football conferences?

he makes some good points. While there may or will be changes and realignments insome conferences due to the district points system, I don't see abandonment of conferences anytime soon. It would have to be mass abandonment state wide and there are too many schools that still think an all conference position for a player or a conference team championship is still a nice accomplishment for those who don't have the talent for a state championship.
 
Don't know this guy, but he makes a great case or at least builds a foundation for us to have the conversation.

I agree that we should get rid of football conferences or play a reduced conference season.

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ADs don't want that headache. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for some teams to schedule games. That's what conferences are really about anymore...the ease of scheduling.
 
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If I understand the Arkansas model, your district teams would become your new conference and you would play those teams. I think the point he is driving home is getting teams to play the same size schools.

I looked at Monett's district and it contained 6 of their current conference schools (Monett, Seneca, Mt. Vernon, East Newton, Cassville and Aurora) plus Hollister and Reeds Spring.

I don't believe scheduling would be an issue.

There was a time when Buffalo was the largest school in the COC small, now due to lack of industry and growth of the other cities, they are struggling to compete.


ADs don't want that headache. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for some teams to schedule games. That's what conferences are really about anymore...the ease of scheduling.
 
If I understand the Arkansas model, your district teams would become your new conference and you would play those teams. I think the point he is driving home is getting teams to play the same size schools.

I looked at Monett's district and it contained 6 of their current conference schools (Monett, Seneca, Mt. Vernon, East Newton, Cassville and Aurora) plus Hollister and Reeds Spring.

I don't believe scheduling would be an issue.

There was a time when Buffalo was the largest school in the COC small, now due to lack of industry and growth of the other cities, they are struggling to compete.
That makes sense to me. 8 team districts. Play those 7 teams, leaving 3 or so non-district games to schedule...Then what?
 
The regular season is only 9 games long.
After you play your nine, you would begin your district playoffs, which would already be made up of you "new" conference teams.

Before someone complains that you would have already played your district opponent during the regular/conference season: We are already doing that in every other sport.

he makes some good points. While there may or will be changes and realignments insome conferences due to the district points system, I don't see abandonment of conferences anytime soon. It would have to be mass abandonment state wide and there are too many schools that still think an all conference position for a player or a conference team championship is still a nice accomplishment for those who don't have the talent for a state championship.
That makes sense to me. 8 team districts. Play those 7 teams, leaving 3 or so non-district games to schedule...Then what?
 
The regular season is only 9 games long.
After you play your nine, you would begin your district playoffs, which would already be made up of you "new" conference teams.

Before someone complains that you would have already played your district opponent during the regular/conference season: We are already doing that in every other sport.
Not arguing...just trying to figure it all out. Soooooo...7 games against district opponents? Then 2 non-whatever games. And then a bracket tournament consisting of the 8 teams in your district? How do you seed? Basketball style, with coaches seeding everyone but themselves? Or some other way...like the goofy formula that exists now? In theory, I really like how this sounds.
 
Yes, for the most part.
Your conference could contain your district members or just schools your size (There are some areas that would be big enough to avoid duplication). Currently, 6 of the Big 8 members are in the same district.
You would keep the same point system for district seeding purposes. It is the most fair system although you could tweak a couple of minor rules.

The gist is to try to keep everything fair...i.e give CJ a chance to earn a #1 seed, give Sarcoxie a chance to host Lamar. [just work with me here on these examples].


Not arguing...just trying to figure it all out. Soooooo...7 games against district opponents? Then 2 non-whatever games. And then a bracket tournament consisting of the 8 teams in your district? How do you seed? Basketball style, with coaches seeding everyone but themselves? Or some other way...like the goofy formula that exists now? In theory, I really like how this sounds.
 
The great thing about the new playoff system was that you could schedule anyone you wanted and still have a decent (not perfect, but good enough) metric to seed the district tourney with. Much fairer & objective IMO that a coaches poll. What's the point of getting rid of conferences just to make new conferences? Play whomever you want and come playoff time you will get seeded into the tourney based on results.

Lamar shouldn't be "rewarded" for playing (and beating) class 3 schools?
Sarcoxie shouldn't be "punished" for consistently losing to class 1 schools?
CJ is in Webbs district, tough noogies. Doesn't matter what their seed is. Same could said for anyone in Valle's.
Thayer is another schools that plays up and it shows anytime they actually get to play a Class 1 school. They just have the misfortune of being on the Valle side of the alignment.

No amount of tinkering with the format is going to make your school preform better. Unless your hope is to make teams that play up; Webb, Lamar, Thayer, etc "worse" by not getting to play the better completion.


I guess I just don't get the "fair" argument.
 
Yes, for the most part.
Your conference could contain your district members or just schools your size (There are some areas that would be big enough to avoid duplication). Currently, 6 of the Big 8 members are in the same district.
You would keep the same point system for district seeding purposes. It is the most fair system although you could tweak a couple of minor rules.

The gist is to try to keep everything fair...i.e give CJ a chance to earn a #1 seed, give Sarcoxie a chance to host Lamar. [just work with me here on these examples].
I guess my point on this is, I'm not sure the seeding really matters...or gets affected that much by the games that get played, regardless of who plays who in the current class system. Meaning, a #2 isn't going to fall to #7, or vice versa...by scheduling up or down. Maybe I'm way off. And you have to win to advance. Heck, everyone gets in the football "playoffs" with the bracket. I think far too many get caught up with the seeding. Have to win to advance. Also important to note, the playoffs are, and should be, designed to get one champion per class. Which I think ultimately they do.
 
Am I the only one who likes things the way they are? I just like programs determining on their own who their competition will be and not MSHSAA. Don't like the completion your in, explore your options. CJ felt they had out grown the Big 8. So they did something about it. Come next year they will have the exact same schedule as WC. The one seed in is their control.
 
You make my point.
Yet not all teams can be like CJ and pull out. MSHSAA has placed a reward for teams placing in the top half of the district bracket and that reward is a home playoff game.

Lamar has an unfair advantage because the play in a conference with larger schools.....win or lose they are guaranteed a home playoff game. The could go 1-8 and always host a first round playoff game.

Is it fair for a 4-4 Butler or Sarcoxie (when they are Class 2) who is locked into a conference with smaller schools and can't play up to have to go on the road the first round of districts.

Furthermore, we have already had some No. 7 seed teams defeat No. 2 seeds.

I don't want to be confused with arguing on here. I just like to spur on a good debate.


Am I the only one who likes things the way they are? I just like programs determining on their own who their competition will be and not MSHSAA. Don't like the completion your in, explore your options. CJ felt they had out grown the Big 8. So they did something about it. Come next year they will have the exact same schedule as WC. The one seed in is their control.
 
You make my point.
Yet not all teams can be like CJ and pull out. MSHSAA has placed a reward for teams placing in the top half of the district bracket and that reward is a home playoff game.

Lamar has an unfair advantage because the play in a conference with larger schools.....win or lose they are guaranteed a home playoff game. The could go 1-8 and always host a first round playoff game.

Is it fair for a 4-4 Butler or Sarcoxie (when they are Class 2) who is locked into a conference with smaller schools and can't play up to have to go on the road the first round of districts.

Furthermore, we have already had some No. 7 seed teams defeat No. 2 seeds.

I don't want to be confused with arguing on here. I just like to spur on a good debate.
Do you really think the state champion is affected by a 4/5 seed getting a home or road game? I have a hard time swallowing that pill.
 
As a senior, would you like the opportunity to play at home one more time, especially in the playoffs?

Do you really think the state champion is affected by a 4/5 seed getting a home or road game? I have a hard time swallowing that pill.
 
Not arguing, it is a good discussion.
You brought up lower seeds winning. I was going to actually ask for specifics. Were the seedings wrong Was the 2 seed winning an actual upset or is their proof through the course of the season that they were a better team than their ranking?
Second of all there seems to be a few teams like Lamar that have an advantage, but there is still 3 available spots open to host week 10 games.
In the last 3 years does anyone feel the district champion only won because of unfair seeding?
 
I think liberty was the #2 seed to strafford in 13. They handled their business and got to host the quarters. Some people need to stop worrying about their seed. If youre the better team go win that game and get to play one more. Even when lamar was bad i didnt want to leave the big 8 cause we have such a long history with most of the programs
 
As a senior, would you like the opportunity to play at home one more time, especially in the playoffs?
But that's not the purpose of the playoff system. I get what you're saying, and agree it would be nice for the senior. But the point of the playoff system is to find the champion.
 
As a senior, would you like the opportunity to play at home one more time, especially in the playoffs?

1-2 First round bye
7-8 Play consolation game.

People were suggesting it last year. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I like 0fer teams getting a shot at a win (especially this year :D), but I also love there being the possibility of that 1 in a million run from last place.

Not all districts have 8 teams though so I don't know how well it would work out.
 
8-man and Class 5 are the only classifications that are not currently divisible by 8.





1-2 First round bye
7-8 Play consolation game.

People were suggesting it last year. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I like 0fer teams getting a shot at a win (especially this year :D), but I also love there being the possibility of that 1 in a million run from last place.

Not all districts have 8 teams though so I don't know how well it would work out.
 
ADs don't want that headache. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for some teams to schedule games. That's what conferences are really about anymore...the ease of scheduling.

The "scheduling headache" for ADs is the most exaggerated, whined about topic in the history of mankind. If its so hard, why do most teams get it done in just a few days?
And isn't that what they get paid for? Good night.
 
What you are proposing would make teams like Thayer who get sent to districts mostly 150 miles away play their season that way too.
 
The "scheduling headache" for ADs is the most exaggerated, whined about topic in the history of mankind. If its so hard, why do most teams get it done in just a few days?
And isn't that what they get paid for? Good night.
Most all get it done now so easily because of conference affiliation. That's sort of my point. That accounts for about 75% of most football schedules. In the OC, and other larger conferences, it's all of the scheduling. An 8 team district (or w/e you want to call it), where all teams are mandated to play each other in the regular season would pretty much solve that. But don't be naive, if there were no conference affiliations, and no mandated district schedule from the state, scheduling would be an absolute nightmare.
 
No one is advocating the elimination of conferences, just a realignment of conferences that contain the same classifications of schools.


Most all get it done now so easily because of conference affiliation. That's sort of my point. That accounts for about 75% of most football schedules. In the OC, and other larger conferences, it's all of the scheduling. An 8 team district (or w/e you want to call it), where all teams are mandated to play each other in the regular season would pretty much solve that. But don't be naive, if there were no conference affiliations, and no mandated district schedule from the state, scheduling would be an absolute nightmare.
 
Red & Black and Cardsbeatwriter I agree with you. First off it would take something major for the SCA to fold. The conference has been around since 1925 and most of the teams are very proud of that history. As somewhat of a historian of high school football around the state I would hate to see all of the great conferences just fold up. Its one of the things that makes Missouri high school football so special.
 
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Am I the only one who likes things the way they are? I just like programs determining on their own who their competition will be and not MSHSAA. Don't like the completion your in, explore your options. CJ felt they had out grown the Big 8. So they did something about it. Come next year they will have the exact same schedule as WC. The one seed in is their control.
I also like things the way they are. It seems to me if the concern is that teams that play up every week are guaranteed a 1st round home playoff game, then maybe the district seeding calculations need to be altered a bit. That would be a much easier fix than changing every school's schedule.
 
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No one is advocating the elimination of conferences, just a realignment of conferences that contain the same classifications of schools.
I must have misinterpreted the article, and a couple of posters views. State mandated districts (which is how I read the article and a couple of posters) are a much different animal than conferences, IMHO.
 
C1D1 would have absolutely awful travel times for regular season games. It would be ridiculous to have them play teams 3 hours away because of "seeding unfairness" instead of playing local teams and traditional rivalries. As a Monroe City alum, I don't want them playing Chaffee, Valle, Barat Academy, Crystal City and St. Vincent in the regular season if it means they don't get to play South Shelby, Palmyra, Centralia, Macon and Highland who have been traditional rivals for over 30 years (and many more for SS and Palmyra). And I could make a similar argument for Brookfield in C2D8.

It is fine to have 1-3 district games that may have matchups with teams hours away, but scheduling 5 or more doesn't make sense if the only reason is because of perceived unfairness.
 
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