Reviews....

[oldroundballer]

If they're going to spend the time to do these reviews why can't they get them right? I understand they're going to miss a few in real time. But it's absurd when they spend 5 mins and still get it wrong. The Cards were burned twice in Pitts. Piscotty's play at the plate yesterday was a clear violation of the blocking the plate rule. The catcher clearly blocked the plate before receiving the ball. And on the line drive to Piscotty that was overruled as a trap he quickly threw to 2B to get a force out in case they didn't call it a catch. But the review guy gave the runner the base anyway. No way that would have happened. Fortunately neither play cost them the game.

Horton made a comment I agreed with. The replay view that is used to change a call needs to be shown. Too many times all the angles we see give evidence one way but the call goes the other. If they're looking at some other angle of the play they should show us. Right now it sometimes looks like they just blatantly call it wrong on purpose. I don't really think they do that but it sometimes gives that appearance.

 

[vbsideout]

If they're going to spend the time to do these reviews why can't they get them right? I understand they're going to miss a few in real time. But it's absurd when they spend 5 mins and still get it wrong. The Cards were burned twice in Pitts. Piscotty's play at the plate yesterday was a clear violation of the blocking the plate rule. The catcher clearly blocked the plate before receiving the ball. And on the line drive to Piscotty that was overruled as a trap he quickly threw to 2B to get a force out in case they didn't call it a catch. But the review guy gave the runner the base anyway. No way that would have happened. Fortunately neither play cost them the game.

Horton made a comment I agreed with. The replay view that is used to change a call needs to be shown. Too many times all the angles we see give evidence one way but the call goes the other. If they're looking at some other angle of the play they should show us. Right now it sometimes looks like they just blatantly call it wrong on purpose. I don't really think they do that but it sometimes gives that appearance.

Not only show their replay but should be required to give an explanation of their reasoning.

 

[Duck_walk]

I never question an officials call......
If the review takes longer than 45 seconds a buzzer should go off and the call stands.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I could live without replays for a catcher blocking the plate

 

[3Rfan]

I could live without replays for a catcher blocking the plate

It's the rule! most folks don't like it but it IS the rule and that one was no doubter. The problem with that play is exactly what the announcers were talking about, Piscotty HAD to be getting a HUGE lead with the 3rd baseman playing 30 feet off the base. I have to think if Oquendo was at 3rd he would have been telling him to get off the base nearly as much as the defender was. He could have walked home if he got off more and had a bigger secondary lead.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I get that it's a rule but it's a judgmental call that I can live with either way at the time it is called by the ump

 

[midmoguy]

I like the timer idea. If it is to hard to tell on replay then the umpire did a good enough job. 50/50 calls usually work themselves out as the season progresses. Everyone hates replay when their team gets screwed and everyone loves replay when their is helped out.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I like the timer idea. If it is to hard to tell on replay then the umpire did a good enough job. 50/50 calls usually work themselves out as the season progresses. Everyone hates replay when their team gets screwed and everyone loves replay when their is helped out.

I mostly hate reviewing judgment calls, which I view the catcher interference as. I feel the same way about review of balls and strikes.

I don't mind review of HR, out/safe related to did he/didn't he catch it, or did he/didn't he beat the tag or throw.

The setup of most leagues is stupid to placate the umps/refs, there's no reason for the field officials to walk off and do the review. Let someone else quickly review the play.

 

[3Rfan]

I get that it's a rule but it's a judgmental call that I can live with either way at the time it is called by the ump

There was NO judgement used in that call. The dude was blocking the plate without the ball and with the ball, he never gave the runner a ANY lane to to the plate. Either call it or do away with the rule so everybody knows what they can and can't do. We have seen them change rules in midseason before.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

It's the rule! most folks don't like it but it IS the rule and that one was no doubter. The problem with that play is exactly what the announcers were talking about, Piscotty HAD to be getting a HUGE lead with the 3rd baseman playing 30 feet off the base. I have to think if Oquendo was at 3rd he would have been telling him to get off the base nearly as much as the defender was. He could have walked home if he got off more and had a bigger secondary lead.

Oquendo is really missed. Sure hope he's back next season.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I mostly hate reviewing judgment calls, which I view the catcher interference as. I feel the same way about review of balls and strikes.

I don't mind review of HR, out/safe related to did he/didn't he catch it, or did he/didn't he beat the tag or throw.

The setup of most leagues is stupid to placate the umps/refs, there's no reason for the field officials to walk off and do the review. Let someone else quickly review the play.

I'm probably in the huge minority here, but I'd like to have called electronically what can be called. I think it's silly to have all the balls/strikes not done that way. Pitchers night in and night out have to guess where the zone is going to be. I'd say at least once a week watching the Birds, you have a game where the guy behind the plate is really bad. The technology is there, to not use it is just baffling to me. That said, I miss the hell out of manager/umpire arguments too.

 

[oldroundballer]

I'm probably in the huge minority here, but I'd like to have called electronically what can be called. I think it's silly to have all the balls/strikes not done that way. Pitchers night in and night out have to guess where the zone is going to be. I'd say at least once a week watching the Birds, you have a game where the guy behind the plate is really bad. The technology is there, to not use it is just baffling to me. That said, I miss the hell out of manager/umpire arguments too.

I've called enough little league to know it's not an easy job. But these guys are supposed to be the best in the world. It's their only job. That they can sometimes be so bad is baffling.

I always like those pitch charts that show the pitches Marp gets called for strikes that are out of the zone, usually outside and low. It's crazy that a hitter can more accurately recognize where a pitch is than a guy sitting directly behind it. But he does quite often.

 

[vbsideout]

I'm probably in the huge minority here, but I'd like to have called electronically what can be called. I think it's silly to have all the balls/strikes not done that way. Pitchers night in and night out have to guess where the zone is going to be. I'd say at least once a week watching the Birds, you have a game where the guy behind the plate is really bad. The technology is there, to not use it is just baffling to me. That said, I miss the hell out of manager/umpire arguments too.

This would add to the number of unemployed!!! Come on Eags we can't have that

 

[Eagles_Ball]

This would add to the number of unemployed!!! Come on Eags we can't have that

Somehow my compassion is lessened when a guy working 6-8 mths/year for approx $250K is suddenly unemployed.

 

[midmoguy]

I might be off here but I like how umps have different strike zones. I'll admit I didn't lay baseball in high school so maybe my lack of experience makes me wrong but I think it adds to the charm of the game. I have played a lot of basketball so I would compare it to how refs call fouls. While the rules are very specific judgment comes into it. The hardest part I would imagine of calling balls and strikes is since you are directly behind it your depth perception would be a little off. And we all know it not where the call is caught but where it crosses the zone. I bet Waino's curveball isn't easy to tell where it actually crosses the zone on a consistent basis!

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I've called enough little league to know it's not an easy job. But these guys are supposed to be the best in the world. It's their only job. That they can sometimes be so bad is baffling.

I always like those pitch charts that show the pitches Marp gets called for strikes that are out of the zone, usually outside and low. It's crazy that a hitter can more accurately recognize where a pitch is than a guy sitting directly behind it. But he does quite often.

I don't think it's an easy job at all. But agreed, that one anomaly per week or so is confusing. Plus, umps are humans. To say they don't inject bias would be inaccurate. That's why I'd prefer a computer calling balls and strikes. Silly not to have them for fair/foul/home run stuff too. Tennis has been doing this for a LONG time.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I bet Waino's curveball isn't easy to tell where it actually crosses the zone on a consistent basis!

Hence letting the machine do it.

 

[midmoguy]

What about conspiracy theories like in the NBA!!! Could you imagine if the MLB set up the machines to be a little off for one team or more generous to increase the odds of more playoff games!!!

 

[Neutron Monster]

I'm probably in the huge minority here, but I'd like to have called electronically what can be called. I think it's silly to have all the balls/strikes not done that way. Pitchers night in and night out have to guess where the zone is going to be. I'd say at least once a week watching the Birds, you have a game where the guy behind the plate is really bad. The technology is there, to not use it is just baffling to me. That said, I miss the hell out of manager/umpire arguments too.

I think if you can work it, fine, it doesn't bother me. I just would not allow review of ball/strike calls.

 

[Neutron Monster]

There was NO judgement used in that call. The dude was blocking the plate without the ball and with the ball, he never gave the runner a ANY lane to to the plate. Either call it or do away with the rule so everybody knows what they can and can't do. We have seen them change rules in midseason before.

It's a judgment call

 

[3Rfan]

It's a judgment call

And I say he used NO judgement. Anybody with half a brain could see the catcher was blocking the plate without the ball and still blocking it once he caught the ball. Whether or not any of us like the rule is irrelevant, it IS the rule and that one was a no doubter!

 

[Eagles_Ball]

And I say he used NO judgement. Anybody with half a brain could see the catcher was blocking the plate without the ball and still blocking it once he caught the ball. Whether or not any of us like the rule is irrelevant, it IS the rule and that one was a no doubter!

That's bad judgement. Not no judgement.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I think if you can work it, fine, it doesn't bother me. I just would not allow review of ball/strike calls.

I was just talking about letting a machine call the balls and strikes. No review. Ump is still there, but the balls/strikes are called electronically. No reason for it not to be. The technology has been there for a long time. I suspect the umpires union is the main reason.

 

[wccards21]

I was just talking about letting a machine call the balls and strikes. No review. Ump is still there, but the balls/strikes are called electronically. No reason for it not to be. The technology has been there for a long time. I suspect the umpires union is the main reason.

Go watch the bottom of the 9th of Cubs/Nats yesterday

Harper is the tying run because the umpire refused to ring him up on 2 perfect pitches. The more and more I watch these jokes of umpires dictate the outcome of games, the more I'm ok with the laser grid zone

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Go watch the bottom of the 9th of Cubs/Nats yesterday

Harper is the tying run because the umpire refused to ring him up on 2 perfect pitches. The more and more I watch these jokes of umpires dictate the outcome of games, the more I'm ok with the laser grid zone

Agreed. The ball/strike is brutal. I thought Lackey was going to beat the piss out of someone last night on a couple of two seamers that were clearly called third strikes. I think he ended up getting both outs, but man...they were both pretty obvious. Regardless of what McCarver said. Poor Dan was having a time with Tim last night.