that was arrested for being a Russian spy? You know the one many of you said was a big nothing burger. Today she has entered a guilty plea and is telling her story about coming here to spy for Russia and try to infiltrate high powered conservatives groups to get access to the President and his people. She's been here since 2015 and was doing what she came here to do. I reckon today she doesn't think this a nothing burger. Who knows what she has, or will, give prosecutors.
Remember the red haired Russian girl Maria Butina
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So you think the Russians want to hang (entrap) Trump?
She was here to get to be friends with anybody that might help them influence Trump and or powerful republicans, not get him thrown out of office.
I give in. You've convinced me they don't want to impeach Trump and would never lie as means to an end. Go for it. It'll be a great time.So you think the Russians want to hang (entrap) Trump?
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She was here to get to be friends with anybody that might help them influence Trump and or powerful Republicans, not get him thrown out of office.
Did Van Jones coin the phrase Nothing Burger? Or did he just say it on TV to look more incoherent? Mr. Green energy Czar with a nice smile? 2009 President Obama picked Jones to be his “Green Jobs Czar.” In September 2009 Jones resigned after television host Glenn Beck exposed the fact that Jones was a militant Marxist radical. You know the guy that Jones openly said he became a Communist shortly after the 1992 Rodney King riots and the trial. According to Jones, “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th” and “by August, I was a communist.”31 In 1993 he moved to San Francisco and helped found the Bay Area Police Watch, which demonized the police in that city. In 1996 he founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, designed to undermine the criminal justice system, which he saw as unjust to minorities. The Baker Center received more than $1 million from George Soros’s Open Society Institute. As Jones’s commitment to Marxist-type central planning grew in the late ’90s, he became a leader of the group called STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement). Then in 2006, Jones endorsed an antipolice day held by the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party. Jones considers all American prisons to be racist and nothing more than “slave ships on dry land.” As a green activist, Jones demanded that America “build a pipeline from the prison economy to the green economy.” He wants the federal government to hire ex-felons to work in “green jobs” to do weather-stripping for energy efficiency in homes and offices. He did not mention if the home and business owners would be informed of workers’ felony convictions. According to Jones, in an interview on Uprising Radio in Los Angeles, “The green economy will start off as a small subset” of a “complete revolution” against what he calls “gray capitalism.” The goal is the “redistribution of all wealth.” Part of this anti-capitalist effort is being accomplished through Green for All, funded in part by George Soros and our incredibly wealthy former vice president Al Gore. Is this a nothing Burger?
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If Trump helped Putin operatives with his personal cash donations in the form of Google, Facebook adds or similar things, to undermine Hillary and a paper trail is at least part the evidence. Then impeach the traitor. Short of that I'm not taking the liars word for it. They lie. So does Trump. Find the evidence.
Why do you guys keep claiming they have no evidence against people that are pleading guilty? You and I don't know what they have but I'd bet most folks don't plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors hoping for a lighter sentence unless they know they're toast. Especially those here spying for Russia, or at least attempting to.
If I were in deep doo-doo faced with the choice of reduced prison time in exchange for composing, I don't know if I would tell them what they want to hear. I'd more than likely be like them and be so far gone nothing matters.
There's no question M.Cohen and other Trump associates and fixers are playing a game that I don't understand beyond what I've read in novels and gangster plot TV. I watch Ray Donavan lol. Those dam movies and TV are truer than real life because it's happened.
This only makes me less naive, and I suspect that all of them have levels of sin and corruption and have sold their souls for personal gain.
For the same reason I am not naive to think I can walk around at the city at 2:00 am in the morning I know corruption exists with these powerful people.
I couldn't live that life if I tried.
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Put yourself in their situation.
You have spent so much in legal fees you have to sell your house and are being threatened with you son having the same thing happen to him. You are told you can plead guilty to a charge that likely results in no harm to you and it can all end. What would you do?
In another case, you are guilty of tax violations that can put you away for 20 years. You are told if you plead guilty to facilitating an NDA as a campaign contribution violation you can get your sentence reduced to 3 years. What would you do?
Keep in mind, you could well not be punished for what you plead guilty to but that is what the prosecutors want from you to get what you need.
You are absolutely ridiculous on this stuff! They have evidence of various kinds they got when the raided Cohen's home office and hotel room. There is no telling what they have in emails, texts and tapes that prove what they have said really happened. Neither ME nor YOU have ANY idea what they have that tells them the stuff Cohen, Flynn and others have told them is true. These people had no idea they were gonna get caught up in this when they kept the things the prosecutors now have. I find it very hard to imagine these professional prosecutors in Mueller's office and the Souther District of NY are just plodding along believing lots of lies and moving their cases forward on that alone.
You say they HAVE stuff and then say we have no idea. YOU are the one being ridiculous. YOU are believing things there is ZERO evidence of. I have never said they don't have it but there is ZERO proof of it.
What we DO know is Flynns sentence is negligent considering all the things you claim they HAVE to know. Also, Cohen is getting a VERY light sentence for the things he is KNOWN to be guilty of. I am relying on what IS known and you are relying on what is BELIEVED to be.
These professional prosecutors have to operate within the law when before a judge but until they get in front of the judge they can make threats and claims to get a plea. What we see with the Flynn case is strong arm tactics to get a plea then the judge saying he isn't convinced.
I guess you really believe they have not shown their evidence to the judge? They don't show US everything they have so YOU choose to believe they just don't have it. Never mind, I give up. All the prosecutors and judges are crooks that are out to get Trump and everyone associated with him. Have a nice life in you conspiracy theory world.
He is just like all the other trumpbots
They only believe what their fakenews tells them
Did you even read my posts?
I DIDN"T say the prosecutors and judges were out to get Trump.
I said the judgments (from the judges and prosecutors) didn't support there being much in the way of evidence that you keep insisting exists even though it has never been produced. The judgments against Flynn and Cohen are VERY minimal. You keep talking about all the indictments but I think we have a running total of 3 years jail time if you add them all up (because of tax fraud....not very collusion related).
Talk about a fake news peddler!
You are the only one on here more excited than 3R.
If you paid attention to any news you would know that Paul Manafort is going away for a long time. Rick Gates also hasnt been sentenced yet. Investigations into crime families can sometimes take years. It must be eating you up inside knowing you voted for a mob boss to run a country you say you love.
Manafort is going away for how long? I missed it and what was the crime?
Crime families???? You are truly nuts.
Gates....what was his crime?
What don't you understand about the fact that they ain't handing out the info they have to all of us? Have you not seen all the redacted lines in the sentencing memoranda they show on TV? They are still ongoing investigations that would be affected by releasing everything they have. Now you'll ask, what ongoing investigations and I'll tell you nobody knows that except the people that NEED to know. I know you understand what plea deal means. You promise to give them all know about a person or event and they ask the judge for a lesser sentence when their done with you. Manafort lied to them while he was supposed to be cooperating so they pulled his deal and told the judge they would not ask for a lighter sentence for him.
It's all good for Flynn though, Darrell Issa says his case will be thrown out soon because of wrong doing by the FBI. If that is proven to be true then it should be thrown out. Not sure how a guy in his position, and all the other positions he has held, can claim he didn't know that he shouldn't lie to the FBI. Not to mention why was he lying in the place?
What don't you understand about me saying you are banking on things you admit no one knows? I'm using what we KNOW.
I have never said NO ONE knows. Mueller's team and the prosecutors in the Southern District of NY know what they have and the judges that have had in their cases know what they have. Is it really this hard for you to believe they don't show all their cards to the public until they're ready to do so. They are still investigating numerous things, they can't tell everything in one case without jeopardizing other cases. You are obviously just being a troll, you cant possibly believe all the crap you spew out to me.
Spewed it out at me enough to make me leave for a few days. I got so tired of his blindness ... or supposed blindness.
Well, unless you are on Muellers team, YOU are banking on things YOU have no way of knowing! Once again, I'm using things WE know. What WE know is, nobody so far is getting hammered but instead a slap on the wrist at worse for things unrelated to Russia, and the election.
You can tell me all about it if it ever surfaces. Until then, all speculation without support.
When I said basically the same thing to you last week you essentially called me a loser ... “what goes around ... “
I have decided you have NO idea what plea deals are all about. The strange judge in the Flynn case threw a monkey wrench in the works today. Seems he wants to throw Flynn in jail for the crimes many folks on here think he didn't commit in the first place. They agreed to postpone his sentencing until March so he can continue to cooperate with Mueller and convince the Judge he shouldn't get prison time. That dude blurted out stuff about treason then came back after a recess and took it back. Who where that thang ends up nobody knows.
Oh BTW Flynn stood in court and said he was NOT ambushed or tricked by the FBI and that he did in fact know it is illegal to lie to the FBI, unlike anything the Trump and the WH were regurgitating ahead of this hearing.
Not only was the WH saying things contrary to what Flynn said before the hearing, they continued to regurgitate it afterward, too. Ridiculous!
Or, there is nothing there. You say there "must be". That means you have nothing.....yet anyways. A long time for what?
The judge is strange indeed. You can read his actions 100 different ways.
If Flynn had said he was tricked, he would need to withdraw his guilty plea with no punishment. He wants it to all end.
He said breathing heavily.
Which two and what have they been sentenced to?
You guys just fall for anything.
We are 2 years into this investigation and there hasn't even been a crime identified associated with Trump. We have a weak lieing to the FBI in an informal setting and A couple tax violations from Trump associates. There is NOTHING even remotely tied to collusion or the election. If this was ANYTHING like you guys claim, there would be some serious charges out there. We've spent 25 million on this thing. Produce something already! Are we gonna rub our hands together in anticipation for four or more years while a criminal is in the White House?
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You and Rudy G. say collusion isn’t a crime. So why did you even mention it?
With any mobster related case, you don’t start at the top and work your way down. It works just like Mueller is doing it.
If Trump is guilty of nothing, he should be welcoming this investigation. Instead, he bad-mouths it on an almost daily basis in an attempt to discredit it. Not the way an innocent man would conduct himself.
Was that not the stated purpose of the special prosecutor?
Collusion isn't a crime but if you are colluding to do something illegal, the something illegal is a crime.
So, we have a mobster/criminal/crime ring leader/extortioner/slimeball for President and we are waiting to produce the evidence in order to be thorough? There is no need to produce evidence that will stand up in court! Any valid evidence of these things would get him impeached in a weak!
If you were an innocent man charged of everything imaginable (in the media), would you want the investigations to be unending? Exoneration is desired but this is producing neither exoneration nor conviction.
Now you sound like your hero ... changing your story. Make up your mind - is colluding/ conspiring with another country to defraud the American people a crime or not? Just last week you and Rudy were saying it wasn’t.
