Reality for most college players
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I could get on board with giving athletes a small stipend for food. But we have to consider that his experience is an extremely small sample size for us to view and make any judgments from. I would venture to say that college athletes who play other collegiate sports would have a drastically different experience. Not to mention, college football players at D3, D2, and D1 schools are all vastly different experiences, yet are the same sport. While his parents taking out a loan to help pay for things puts them in a strain, my parents also did that. I also took out loans. The difference? He now plays in the NFL and can pay those loans back, probably well ahead of time. So while he might have been poor and had some rough times in college, most college students are poor and have rough times. He now has financial freedom that most of us dream of, plus having little to no debt AND being able to pay off his debts quickly.
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So the women's tennis team deserves to get paid too right?
Maybe even equal to the men's football team? Title IX?
Maybe even equal to the men's football team? Title IX?
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No. In this country they can figure out a way around it if they really want to. Do the girls tennis teams get the goodie bags players get during bowl week? No. If they were motivated it would get done.
That is the culture we have created. Good luck getting it done without equal pay across the board......
So if the Tennis team was motivated to get paid equal to the football team it would get done?
Football team gets $50,000 to split up between players, Tennis team gets $50,000 to split up between players. Teams get paid equally even though the football team has more players. Every team gets paid equally. Sounds fair to me.
Do they spend the same on travel? Equipment? Recruiting? Come on man. Smart people figure out work arounds.
But they have no incentive to do so because they are getting all the money.
The Tennis team should be able to. Why can't they spend as much money as the football team? Probably something that should be brought up to the NCAA. It's unfair that women aren't treated the same as men! Tennis team is just as important and equal to Football. They risk injury and deserve to be compensated!
I mean seriously why are we not paying HS kids? They risk their bodies and deserve compensation too. HS athletes have died playing their sport! Their HS makes money off people coming to see these kids play! It's unbelievable what these HS's are getting away with. Coaches getting paid 6 figures and the kids aren't making a dime!
Don't even get me started on little league!
Smart people are intelligent enough not to open up pandora's box.
No! HS players don't even receive a penny from their school! Yet these coaches and administrators are just rolling in their 6 figure salaries. How dare those guys take all the money. It's not like kids go to school to get a free education; what a waste of time that would be.
Saw a few teams last year where the kids should have been paying the school to play. Woof...
People conflate Title IX into something it is not. Title IX simply says you cannot discriminate based on sex. Paying athletes different amounts of money would not be violating Title IX. Schools pay student-employees radically different amounts of money every day. It's not this "Pandora's box" that some people on this board seem to think it is.
Ohhh, not Pandora's Box? I probably should have read what Title IX says before I opened my big mouth. Silly me! I'm such an idiot, can't believe I forgot to read what Title IX says, word for word.
Maybe this scenario will help my tiny little brain figure it out.
FB gets $50,000
Tennis gets $10,000
Sounds to me like Tennis is getting paid a significant amount less? Almost an unjust amount? Almost like they are being, dare I say, discriminated against! How can FB get that much more money than Tennis? Tennis shouldn't be denied the same benefits as FB right? It's almost as if that is what Title IX says, word for word. Oh wait! It is what Title IX says, word for word. How crazy is that!?
FB gets $50,000
Tennis gets $50,000
Now that sounds fair!
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Everybody is so worried about college kids getting paid, but why are HS kids not getting paid!? Liberty is paying central office admins $200,000 and a HFC $125,000. Why do those people need that much money? Teachers live off $35k. Why don't those people give up some of their money, and give it to these athletes? Plus they don't really need a new stadium right? Think about how much money could be going to these kids! They have to go to school, work at jobs, and risk injury playing their sport. Why are they not getting compensated???????
If it was as easy as Coward states, then it would have been done already.
I will repeat myself. Those in charge have no incentive to make it happen. They are rolling in the dough bro.
Ok so does each school set the amount the players are paid? Does the FB player make the same as the baseball player? How do you adjust that amount if not? If each school sets their own amount, will we have any sort of competitiveness in college football? Will schools like Mizzou who just laid 400 employees off be able to compete within the SEC? If the NCAA sets the amount, what would that figure look like? Do the athletes make less if they don't start?
It hasn't happened because there are strong incentives to leave things the way they are.
All across the country, millions of businesses determine how different employees are compensated every day. It's not rocket science.
Also, check your facts about mizzou.
So does the school set that compensation or does the NCAA? Can Mizzou afford to pay what Alabama does? Will that influence recruiting?
Sorry, Mizzou is eliminating 470 jobs. Half of those were apparently unoccupied. Which completely reverses the original point of me bringing that up lol.
I'm in favor of the school setting the compensation. Of course mizzou can't offer what Alabama does, and of course that will influence recruiting. Such is life. Apple and google pay the most for software engineers. They get the best talent.
It certainly means your facts are wrong, if you care about such things. You also don't understand how the mizzou athletic department funds itself, apparently.
So, you see no backlash at Mizzou if they increase spending in their athletic department, while they make cuts all over the place on the academic side, whether it affects their campus budget or not? I see common sense hasn't been added to your resume yet. I can see we have learned nothing over the last few years.
If you're ok with that approach then fine. I disagree with it. This isn't a private business. It's far more complicated than that. Oh the irony, you of all people wanting a free market.
They increase the athletic budget every year. And yeah, I think people with more than a couple brain cells won't be outraged, since one has nothing to do with the other.
Help me figure this out! You sound like a real genius. Figured since you wanted to complain about athletes not getting paid you would have some decent ideas about how to solve the problem.
Or should we just let the 'smart people figure out work arounds' and leave the complaining to the geniuses?
Help my feeble mind figure this out! Figured a smart guy like you would have more to say than just "Wow".
How crazy is the language in Title IX right? Who would have saw that coming!? Man I wish I would have read that first!
I'm just spit-balling here, but me thinks good 'ol Mizzou figured out something a lot of public education institutions will come to realize in the near future. Boy, we're hemorrhaging with this budget. Boy, we sure do have a ton of employees/jobs that don't really provide much of an assistance in this whole quality of education thing. Seems like a logical thing to me.
For a 5-10 year window, there are a lot of educational institutions that have spent a ton of money on people that don't teach or aid in the process. And now, theses places are having money issues. Be nice to see both of those problems fixed.
I'm sure you could find waste at mizzou. Every large entity has waste. Mizzou has two problems:
1) The protests clearly hurt the university with enrollment.
2) The state legislature refuses to adequately fund Mizzou for what it should be.
The first problem will get better with time. The second problem is more concerning. What does Missouri want its flagship, land grant university to be? Does it want to compete with the high end public universities, like Wisconsin, Washington, Illinois, Florida, North Carolina, etc., or is it content letting the university lose its AAU status and flounder with the lower level public universities?
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