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I agree with you 100% Duck, if you are too stupid to realize how guns work, and are too stupid to keep them from your 2 year old son, you probably shouldn't have one.
 
I agree with you 100% Duck, if you are too stupid to realize how guns work, and are too stupid to keep them from your 2 year old son, you probably shouldn't have one.
And exactly what law currently prevents that from happening?
Shouldn't we maybe have a stricter test for gun owners? Maybe liability insurance for gun owners?
 
And exactly what law currently prevents that from happening?
Shouldn't we maybe have a stricter test for gun owners? Maybe liability insurance for gun owners?

Like we have required liability insurance for cars???

My wife and son were hit by another car while stopped at a light. Guess what, the other car owner didn't have insurance. Wait, isn't that a law?? I'm glad that law prevented something bad from happening, which was me paying to get our vehicle fixed. A woman I work with was driving down the highway with her kids, an oncoming vehicle crossed the center line and hit them head-on. Kids were OK, she ended up with broken arm, leg and vertebrae. Other driver was drunk (isn't that illegal?) and didn't have insurance (isn't that illegal?). I guess you see where I'm going with this.
 
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Like we have required liability insurance for cars???

My wife and son were hit by another car while stopped at a light. Guess what, the other car owner didn't have insurance. Wait, isn't that a law?? I'm glad that law prevented something bad from happening, which was me paying to get our vehicle fixed. A woman I work with was driving down the highway with her kids, an oncoming vehicle crossed the center line and hit them head-on. Kids were OK, she ended up with broken arm, leg and vertebrae. Other driver was drunk (isn't that illegal?) and didn't have insurance (isn't that illegal?). I guess you see where I'm going with this.

There is a fund that covers uninsured motorists. You should do some research
 
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As usual Veer, your full of crap,

My wife got hit by an uninsured motorist, who payed?..... us.
 
The officer working the scene even told us " your screwed ' .

Man, i wish i could live in libby land !!!
 
Like we have required liability insurance for cars???

My wife and son were hit by another car while stopped at a light. Guess what, the other car owner didn't have insurance. Wait, isn't that a law?? I'm glad that law prevented something bad from happening, which was me paying to get our vehicle fixed. A woman I work with was driving down the highway with her kids, an oncoming vehicle crossed the center line and hit them head-on. Kids were OK, she ended up with broken arm, leg and vertebrae. Other driver was drunk (isn't that illegal?) and didn't have insurance (isn't that illegal?). I guess you see where I'm going with this.
The fact that not all laws are foolproof is not an excuse to not have laws. It's a reason to have laws that are targeted to work as well as possible at remedying the desired issue.
 
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There is a fund that covers uninsured motorists. You should do some research

OK, did some quick research. Couldn't find a fund that would have paid for our damages. There is a Missouri Victims Compensation Fund but it specifically excludes all motor vehicle accidents except those which result in bodily injury or death.

Since you're such a smart guy (and apparently I'm not), point me to the fund that would have paid for our damages.
 
The fact that not all laws are foolproof is not an excuse to not have laws. It's a reason to have laws that are targeted to work as well as possible at remedying the desired issue.

Didn't say we shouldn't have laws but if we already have laws covering situations, making it "more" illegal in order to stop the already illegal activity is an exercise in futility. That's just politicians playing to the public in order to get more votes - "Look, see what I did for you".
 
Didn't say we shouldn't have laws but if we already have laws covering situations, making it "more" illegal in order to stop the already illegal activity is an exercise in futility. That's just politicians playing to the public in order to get more votes - "Look, see what I did for you".
This is really misguided, there are plenty of things we could do that would limit bad activity. The real question is are we willing to accept the infringement on personal rights for others. Think of the laws putting sudafed behind the counter as an example of this. Laws often have costs in terms of money or time
 
The officer working the scene even told us " your screwed ' .

Man, i wish i could live in libby land !!!
Or you could, you know, buy uninsured motorist insurance like the rest of us.

Blaming liberals for uninsured motorists is silly. If anything, liberals would be more likely to support the big govt programs it would take to ensure everyone had insurance.
 
Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about above when I mention we could inhibit behavior more if we really wanted to do so. If you wanted to cut down on drunk driving, you could put the breathalyzer things in everyone's car. You could force auto manufacturers to install them and force them to be checked as a part of the safety inspection.

There is no doubt it would reduce drunk driving, but it would come at a high cost. Is that worth it? We have decided no as a society. I think it's a reasonable decision.
 
Or you could, you know, buy uninsured motorist insurance like the rest of us.

Blaming liberals for uninsured motorists is silly. If anything, liberals would be more likely to support the big govt programs it would take to ensure everyone had insurance.

I do indeed have uninsured motorist insurance, that is why we paid to have our car repaired. By the way, this kind of proves the point about more laws. A person, by law, has to have car insurance, but then I have to have insurance to pay for those that don't........ludicrous

Also, I wasn't blaming liberals in any way for uninsured motorist, just musing that it would be nice to live in Veer's world where everything turns up peaches and cream.
 
Or you could, you know, buy uninsured motorist insurance like the rest of us.

Well then you might be in for a little surprise if your vehicle gets hit by an uninsured motorist. This is copied straight from the Missouri Department of Insurance website under the FAQ section (emphasis mine).

http://insurance.mo.gov/consumers/faq/autofaqs.php#auto um cov

What does uninsured motorist coverage cover?
Uninsured motorist coverage applies to bodily injury only. Your uninsured motorist coverage will protect you from hit-and-run drivers. It covers you for injuries sustained while in your car or as a pedestrian when hit by an uninsured driver. It does not cover damage to your vehicle.


If you want to repair your own vehicle, you have to make a claim under your policy's collision coverage or pay for it yourself. And that claim will count against you when it comes time for renewal.
 
You know what I meant. If you have a car you can't afford to repair, you insure it, be it through collision or whatever else. This is not rocket science. Yes, it sucks that you owe your deductible and your rates may go up, but that's life.
 
I do indeed have uninsured motorist insurance, that is why we paid to have our car repaired. By the way, this kind of proves the point about more laws. A person, by law, has to have car insurance, but then I have to have insurance to pay for those that don't........ludicrous

Also, I wasn't blaming liberals in any way for uninsured motorist, just musing that it would be nice to live in Veer's world where everything turns up peaches and cream.
It's also not just a question of more laws, it's about how to enforce the laws you have on the books already.

How can you improve compliance? That sort of thing
 
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Why not sue the uninsured motorist for damages? May be tough to collect entire settlement but at least you can get garnishment of wages.
 
Why not sue the uninsured motorist for damages? May be tough to collect entire settlement but at least you can get garnishment of wages.


LOL LOL LOL
You can't get blood from a turnip! People who drive without insurance likely don't even have a job. Most of these are the people the bleeding hearts fret about.
 
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It's also not just a question of more laws, it's about how to enforce the laws you have on the books already.

How can you improve compliance? That sort of thing

My point exactly from earlier. Making some "more illegal" doesn't help. Enforce what we already have and then see if more is needed. We may not be as far apart as it initially seemed.
 
You know what I meant. If you have a car you can't afford to repair, you insure it, be it through collision or whatever else. This is not rocket science. Yes, it sucks that you owe your deductible and your rates may go up, but that's life.

Just so I have this straight: Another person with a potential deadly object, does an illegal and irresponsible act with it and damages me/mine and it's my problem and "that's life".

And if we applied that logic to other areas.........??
 
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My point exactly from earlier. Making some "more illegal" doesn't help. Enforce what we already have and then see if more is needed. We may not be as far apart as it initially seemed.
Hm, I wonder why we don't enforce the laws we have? Oh right, the NRA and their merry band of idiots have rendered the current laws toothless.
 
Just so I have this straight: Another person with a potential deadly object, does an illegal and irresponsible act with it and damages me/mine and it's my problem and "that's life".

And if we applied that logic to other areas.........??
we do apply the logic consistently, you're just choosing not to realize that's how it works.

What do you think your recourse is if a bum punches you in the face? He's not going to pay your medical bills unless you sue him and somehow collect the money from him.

What is your recourse if an unknown person burns your house down? Etc.
 
So, to rephrase my previous statement:

Someone obtains a potentially deadly object illegally (a gun), commits an illegal and irresponsible act (shoots someone) and you are saying "that's life".

Now we know how you stand. Or is that different?
 
I do indeed have uninsured motorist insurance, that is why we paid to have our car repaired. By the way, this kind of proves the point about more laws. A person, by law, has to have car insurance, but then I have to have insurance to pay for those that don't........ludicrous

Also, I wasn't blaming liberals in any way for uninsured motorist, just musing that it would be nice to live in Veer's world where everything turns up peaches and cream.

Nov 11th 1998 my family was involved in a hit and run accident. We didn't pay a dime for any damages.

Peaches and cream? Maybe your insurance sucks. Research what you pay for ag.
 
I just got it, I'm a little slow.

Sorry, but I understand now.

YOU are the one that hit and run.....didn't cost u a dime..... I understand.
 
I was a little rude, it was a long day. I apologize Veer.

Obviously insurance companies treat you better than I have faired.
 
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