Private schools - let’s be honest

[FBisLife12]

Please educate yourself. People did take it to their AD . Good grief. Read.


https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hig...cle_8ee6c1f6-53fd-11e3-8fbc-001a4bcf6878.html

This article is from 2013. It’s 2018 now, little ducky. I guess you posting a 5 year old article means that you’ve conceded that your best hope of a rule change is to anonymously complain in this forum? I’ll accept that, if you want me to. It’s not that I don’t enjoy it. It just seems .... basic and futile.

 

[FBisLife12]

Could it be that FBIsLife is, in actuality, the most avid hater of Trinity in existence? Could his online avatar be a tool of reverse psychology to urge a pitchfork and torch mob mentality against private school recruiting?
The mind ponders!

Maybe!

 

[bullitpdq68]

I think if you google things this has been brought up many times by Public schools more in other sports than football. I have heard that MSHSAA wants nothing to do with policing private schools, by those in Adminstration. At one point some public schools felt that MSHSAA was turning a blind eye to things that they wen to the government to investigate MSHSAA over it.

https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills071/commit/Interim Committee Report on MSHSAA Reform.pdf

 

[FBisLife12]

I think if you google things this has been brought up many times by Public schools more in other sports than football. I have heard that MSHSAA wants nothing to do with policing private schools, by those in Adminstration. At one point some public schools felt that MSHSAA was turning a blind eye to things that they wen to the government to investigate MSHSAA over it.

https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills071/commit/Interim Committee Report on MSHSAA Reform.pdf

Wow. I guess ranting on message boards really IS all you can do about it? I’D be pretty pissed, too, if I were you. Life just ain’t fair.

 

[Duck_walk]

This article is from 2013. It’s 2018 now. I guess you posting a 5 year old article means that you’ve conceded that your best hope of a rule change is to anonymously complain in this forum? I’ll accept that, if you want me to. It’s not that I don’t enjoy it. It just seems .... basic and futile.

People discuss issues related to football on a football message board. You spend most of your time on a football message board complaining about people on a football message board. People complain about the weather when they cant do anything about it. You should go to weather.com and complain about those people.

If you had actually read the article I posted you would understand the arguments that were made 5 years ago. They are still relevant. Then maybe you would be more understanding of those you disagree with.

However, I dont think educating yourself will probably change your demeanor which is modern day social media tough guy.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Wow. I guess ranting on message boards really IS all you can do about it? I’D be pretty pissed, too, if I were you. Life just ain’t fair.

 

[FBisLife12]

People discuss issues related to football on a football message board. You spend most of your time on a football message board complaining about people on a football message board. People complain about the weather when they cant do anything about it. You should go to weather.com and complain about those people.

If you had actually read the article I posted you would understand the arguments that were made 5 years ago. They are still relevant. Then maybe you would be more understanding of those you disagree with.

However, I dont think educating yourself will probably change your demeanor which is modern day social media tough guy.

MSHSAA policy isn’t developed because administrators read your rants on a message board, little ducky. I’m not trying to censor which topics your bitch about or even tell you to STOP bitching. I can accept that you feel powerless to change things and that crying and suggesting bizarre rule changes to one another helps you make it through the day.

Suggesting that you ACTUALLY interact in The Real World was a rare moment of helpfulness on my part. I’m TOTALLY down with watching you scream into your pillow. In fact, I’m convinced that you’re RIGHT. MSHSAA really IS intentionally screwing you over in favor of private schools ... and I think it’s because they legit don’t care about you. All you really CAN do is complain online.

 

[FBisLife12]

People say you can’t change minds online. You’ve ABSOLUTELY convinced me that MSHSAA really doesn’t give a shit about public schools. I think it’s 100% intentional and it’s pretty obvious.

You win. Feel better?

 

[MORock]

The issue has nothing to do with affluence, wealth, advantage, etc... It has to do with competition and scale. If you are a Class 3 team recruiting 20 new players (half of which are sophs and half upper classmen) in any particular year--then there is a problem.

I was just responding to Tophat's post. However I do believe that affluence has an outsized impact on youth sports - and that translates to high school. I also agree that significant numbers of upper class transfers into a smaller school would seem unfair. Just my opinion, but here is an interesting article concerning the issue:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...OQ69SGZ053k9fmMuH9km8J5pK9WK88IjIcjwYcBFZDJgQ

 

[JNreturns]

I was just responding to Tophat's post. However I do believe that affluence has an outsized impact on youth sports - and that translates to high school. I also agree that significant numbers of upper class transfers into a smaller school would seem unfair. Just my opinion, but here is an interesting article concerning the issue:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...OQ69SGZ053k9fmMuH9km8J5pK9WK88IjIcjwYcBFZDJgQ

I read this article when it came out. My response to it is that in a lot of ways it is nonsense when you get to the high school level. For instance, in Kansas City, the schools in less affluent areas have the same sports that the affluent ones have. But try to get a position on the football team at Staley vs. getting a position on the team at, say, Truman. There are plenty of opportunities for positions at all of these schools. At Staley, you better have a lot of things going for you. At Truman, you have to be a warm body that earns grades good enough to play. You still get to have decent coaching, cool uniforms, and play 10 games.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I was just responding to Tophat's post. However I do believe that affluence has an outsized impact on youth sports - and that translates to high school. I also agree that significant numbers of upper class transfers into a smaller school would seem unfair. Just my opinion, but here is an interesting article concerning the issue:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...OQ69SGZ053k9fmMuH9km8J5pK9WK88IjIcjwYcBFZDJgQ

Good article. MoRock.

 

[MORock]

I read this article when it came out. My response to it is that in a lot of ways it is nonsense when you get to the high school level. For instance, in Kansas City, the schools in less affluent areas have the same sports that the affluent ones have. But try to get a position on the football team at Staley vs. getting a position on the team at, say, Truman. There are plenty of opportunities for positions at all of these schools. At Staley, you better have a lot of things going for you. At Truman, you have to be a warm body that earns grades good enough to play. You still get to have decent coaching, cool uniforms, and play 10 games.

It has nothing to do with having the same sports, or being able to participate. It does have to do with opportunities presented by strong youth programs (many times in more affluent areas - but there are obviously exceptions), and parents with the disposable incomes that allow specialized off-season training. For many of those kids training is their "summer job." You can't tell me that it doesn't make a difference.

Personally, I can't stand the specialization, travel team, personal coaching culture. I blame it on soccer - the root of all evil in youth sports.

 

[JNreturns]

It has nothing to do with having the same sports, or being able to participate. It does have to do with opportunities presented by strong youth programs (many times in more affluent areas - but there are obviously exceptions), and parents with the disposable incomes that allow specialized off-season training. For many of those kids training is their "summer job." You can't tell me that it doesn't make a difference.

Personally, I can't stand the specialization, travel team, personal coaching culture. I blame it on soccer - the root of all evil in youth sports.

I don't have a problem with specialization (if someone is into one sport.) I really don't have a problem with travel teams or personal coaching. I question ultimately, the impact it will have in most sports, from the youth to the high school level. But in degree. Soccer, basketball, and volleyball seem to be sports meant for year round skills building. Football, less so. Track and field--it depends on the event. Club track is only about $350.00 a season. I've heard of parents paying $3,000 to $6,000 for soccer and volleyball.

Safe to say this, if you intend to be on a good Class 5 or 6 soccer team, you better have been playing 10 months a year for the previous 4, and have been building skills from an early age. Basketball-- I would argue would be close to that. Football. You better be working on speed, skills and weight training. Track. Same. You don't need personal trainers to work on strength, agility and speed.

 

[FistOH]

Could it be that FBIsLife is, in actuality, the most avid hater of Trinity in existence? Could his online avatar be a tool of reverse psychology to urge a pitchfork and torch mob mentality against private school recruiting?
The mind ponders!

I've done that. Sadly, I only drove myself crazy..

 

[MORock]

I don't have a problem with specialization (if someone is into one sport.) I really don't have a problem with travel teams or personal coaching. I question ultimately, the impact it will have in most sports, from the youth to the high school level. But in degree. Soccer, basketball, and volleyball seem to be sports meant for year round skills building. Football, less so. Track and field--it depends on the event. Club track is only about $350.00 a season. I've heard of parents paying $3,000 to $6,000 for soccer and volleyball.

Safe to say this, if you intend to be on a good Class 5 or 6 soccer team, you better have been playing 10 months a year for the previous 4, and have been building skills from an early age. Basketball-- I would argue would be close to that. Football. You better be working on speed, skills and weight training. Track. Same. You don't need personal trainers to work on strength, agility and speed.

You just proved my point. What parent in a blue collar district can afford an additional few thousand dollars? It's insane. Does it translate into success? To your point, no way can you compete in soccer, baseball, volleyball, basketball if you aren't getting significant year round training. It sucks - I chose to pay for school which didn't leave much disposable income for a premier baseball team - not complaining, and honestly a good life lesson for my kids. These coaches sell this crap with the promise of a college scholarship - which ultimately is Juco or small college. Not knocking Juco or small colleges, but if you add/invested all the money invested in little Johnny's training you would be able to pay for college yourself. I think it sucks that kids and parents are quasi-forced into accepting this crummy model.

 

[JNreturns]

You just proved my point. What parent in a blue collar district can afford an additional few thousand dollars? It's insane. Does it translate into success? To your point, no way can you compete in soccer, baseball, volleyball, basketball if you aren't getting significant year round training. It sucks - I chose to pay for school which didn't leave much disposable income for a premier baseball team - not complaining, and honestly a good life lesson for my kids. These coaches sell this crap with the promise of a college scholarship - which ultimately is Juco or small college. Not knocking Juco or small colleges, but if you add/invested all the money invested in little Johnny's training you would be able to pay for college yourself. I think it sucks that kids and parents are quasi-forced into accepting this crummy model.

But if they live in a blue color District they're going to have a much better chance to play interscholastic sports and make teams even if they didn't play on Club teams

 

[Bleeding Red and Black]

A good friend of mine was talking about a discussion he had had with a coach at the college level who also helped with some youth sports at different times. He said the coach brought up the point that some parents believe if you throw enough money at a personal trainer or pitching coach, etc for little Johnnie or Jody that they will end up being a stud. But parents need to learn there is no amount of money that can help a kid be good....you could spend $10,000 on club volleyball and play all over the Midwest, but if little Jody doesn’t have it she just doesn’t have it. She will of course have exposure but that’s about it. And that’s sad.....it’s not the kids with necessarily the talent that are being seen in the elite type comp teams, but whose parents will throw the most money at it.

 

[DirtyDan17]

Yep. It’s ABSOLUTELY an advantage. It’s a shame that anonymous crying on a Rivals message board won’t change it.

Have ANY of you guys actually gone and brought the issue to your coaches and ADs?

It must be nice to know that even if people did complain about it (again), nothing would happen.

You have the safety of knowing you can still circumvent the system, win 10+ football games with all-star teams against overmatched public schools a year, and still have the "well if you dont like it, change it" arguement, knowing that it's been voted down at least twice already for various reasons.

You've already won in every arena that matters, but THIS is yet another reason people hate you. You cant just win (cheating or otherwise) graciously.

It's not enough that the deck is stacked in your favor and everyone knows it, you have do be an overbearing jerk when you win and act like you're some kind of victim for people pointing out that you get to play by a different set of rules.

Get over yourself and just enjoy your success humbly. Christian schools should teach humility in victory and defeat. Obviously that is lost on you.

 

[DirtyDan17]

Whatever the inevitable reply, prepare to see the word “butthurt” in it somewhere.

Yeah I know.

His standard replies are:

-Butthurt/jealous

-go to your AD and get it changed

-racist

-not breaking any rules

Did I miss anything?

 

[mosofan]

Yeah I know.

His standard replies are:

-Butthurt/jealous

-go to your AD and get it changed

-racist

-not breaking any rules

Did I miss anything?

Rural losers

Keep whining. I'm enjoying your tears. Highlight of my day.

Trinity won the state championship. You didn't this year.

Lamar didn't even win their conference.

 

[FBisLife12]

Yeah I know.

His standard replies are:

-Butthurt/jealous

-go to your AD and get it changed

-racist

-not breaking any rules

Did I miss anything?

You forgot the crying GIFs ...

 

[Duck_walk]

It must be nice to know that even if people did complain about it (again), nothing would happen.

You have the safety of knowing you can still circumvent the system, win 10+ football games with all-star teams against overmatched public schools a year, and still have the "well if you dont like it, change it" arguement, knowing that it's been voted down at least twice already for various reasons.

You've already won in every arena that matters, but THIS is yet another reason people hate you. You cant just win (cheating or otherwise) graciously.

It's not enough that the deck is stacked in your favor and everyone knows it, you have do be an overbearing jerk when you win and act like you're some kind of victim for people pointing out that you get to play by a different set of rules.

Get over yourself and just enjoy your success humbly. Christian schools should teach humility in victory and defeat. Obviously that is lost on you.

Very well said. A sore winner.

 

[FBisLife12]

Very well said. A sore winner.

Don’t hate the playa, little ducky ... Hate the game.

 

[Duck_walk]

Don’t hate the playa, little ducky ... Hate the game.

Unlike you and fist-off I have actually been involved with the game for 34 years. Coached some kids in this rural area who didnt need to go to private school and still played NCAA Div. I football.

 

[FistOH]

Rural losers

Keep whining. I'm enjoying your tears. Highlight of my day.

Trinity won the state championship. You didn't this year.

Lamar didn't even win their conference.

Fundamentally, you nailed it. I agree except for the part, I enjoy whining. The point is for me, don't whine and blame others when you lose. Don't rub it in when you are winning.
None of the real coaches are on this board doing that. They are gearing up for a break, then after the break, its full go, wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[FBisLife12]

Unlike you and fist-off I have actually been involved with the game for 34 years. Coached some kids in this rural area who didnt need to go to private school and still played NCAA Div. I football.

Suuuure you did, little ducky.

 

[Duck_walk]

Suuuure you did, little ducky.

Yep. Hell I think we had a D-1 cheerleader too. She might know your family.

 

[FistOH]

Unlike you and fist-off I have actually been involved with the game for 34 years. Coached some kids in this rural area who didnt need to go to private school and still played NCAA Div. I football.

Wrong. I've never coached in a private high school.
I've not screwed up 13 of them, they would've made it without me. I support the current system in spite of its unfairness.
Assuming you started coaching at age 22 or 23, I have coached longer. There are still much older guys still doing it. I see them limping around. So I'm not the oldest by approx 15 years.

 

[hitch_and_go]

I know that this will probably get lost in the comments, but sometimes, when I'm home alone, I like to go out in the garden and cover myself with dirt and pretend I'm a carrot.

 

[FBisLife12]

Yep. Hell I think we had a D-1 cheerleader too. She might know your family.

Lol. Riiiiiiiight.

 

[BPcompete]

Rural losers

Keep whining. I'm enjoying your tears. Highlight of my day.

Trinity won the state championship. You didn't this year.

Lamar didn't even win their conference.

A lot of facts here though........

 

[Saints-1-fan]

Did I miss anything?

Yes he thinks trinity should be added to the dynasty list now , after their first title !!

 

[FBisLife12]

Yes he thinks trinity should be added to the dynasty list now , after their first title !!

Nope. Trinity’s FAR from a dynasty. We’ll see how things play out over the next 5-6 years. Championships or not, they’ll give you plenty to bitch about online ... and that’s all you really want to do here anyway.

 

[Peter Quill]

Somewhat related , Strafford girls rematches against Whitfield without a key player.

“According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Blackwell’s decision came down to tuition costs at the private school. Blackwell, a senior, reportedly could end up transferring to Class 3 schools Cardinal Ritter or Lutheran North and playing there.”

Aren’t these private schools also?

 

[Peter Quill]

They are. I’d wager there’s a whole lot more to this story.

If a kid doesn’t have money for one private school how can they afford another? And how can they start playing after the season starts at another school?

 

[Peter Quill]

A more important question: how could this kid possibly become eligible?
This’ll be interesting. Everyone’s watching this one. Candy-ass MSHSAA know it, too.

I think she is going to Mizzou?

 

[DirtyDan17]

If a kid doesn’t have money for one private school how can they afford another? And how can they start playing after the season starts at another school?

Same way I can afford to send my kids where they go, but I cant afford MICDS. Not all tuitions are the same.

I mean if she can prove she couldn't afford Whitfield but CAN afford another school there's no real issue there. There's no rule stating if she can't afford one private school that she MUST attend a public school. Let's assume the reason for transferring is legit, should a high school kid be penalized?

 

[FBisLife12]

Just curious if she’ll play somewhere this semester.

She signed her NLI to play for MIZZOU last month. I won’t be surprised if MSHSAA clears her to play after she transfers. If it happens, I don’t think there’ll be a single person on this message board that doesn’t shit a brick.

 

[Peter Quill]

Same way I can afford to send my kids where they go, but I cant afford MICDS. Not all tuitions are the same.

I mean if she can prove she couldn't afford Whitfield but CAN afford another school there's no real issue there. There's no rule stating if she can't afford one private school that she MUST attend a public school. Let's assume the reason for transferring is legit, should a high school kid be penalized?

Good points on the finances. So it is okay to move during the season and immediately start playing?

 

[FBisLife12]

Same way I can afford to send my kids where they go, but I cant afford MICDS. Not all tuitions are the same.

I mean if she can prove she couldn't afford Whitfield but CAN afford another school there's no real issue there. There's no rule stating if she can't afford one private school that she MUST attend a public school. Let's assume the reason for transferring is legit, should a high school kid be penalized?

Commence countdown for collective head explosions ...