Private schools - let’s be honest
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An advantage in degree that is nothing in comparison to being about to bring in 9 upper classmen and 10 sophomore recruits in one year.
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Peter Quill
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This may have been covered already but I’m to lazy to read all four pages. Where was all of these St Louis people when Valle was getting crucified on this site? Why didn’t they defend them with the passion they do Trinity?
Its probably more people in this message board than at Valle. Nobody cares about them.
Plus this site is defended and divided more by Area than school.
Peter Quill
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I guess I’m gonna need to go back thru and read some of those threads about Valle. Maybe there’ll be heat about John Burroughs in Class 3, too? A blip came up briefly about CBC thrashing Joplin, but mostly that was about how folks thought CBC players were gloating or something. Beyond that, no one here is upset about any private school not named Trinity. Currently, the most popular reason appears to be over the number of kids with scholarship offers from college.
I will repeat myself again.... HAPPENS EVER YEAR!!
See thats the thing, its class 1 football. That sounds like the last thing anyone wants to talk about. You may be a Valle supporter or parent because thats the only way you view them as the preimere private school. I say this from bias because Im from st louis, but outside of KC Area, SWMo area, St Louis area, and a couple mid-mo teams in Jeff/Como nobody cares one drop.
We don't know for a fact that these students are going to these schools for education and not athletic reasons for one... not to mention that these schools are building all star teams in these areas so lets not say they choose these schools for the education when they are being stacked and a lot of these schools aren't even top academic schools in Missouri.
Not exactly, but you're close. What I'm saying, is clean your own locker room before trying to flatten the system and make it worse. I'm pretending it matters in the grand scheme of education, and every situation can be explained because a guy creates a season reign of terror in high school football that effects the moral fabric of civilization. It's catastrophic that private schools run faster. God help us if there's cheating. Hide the children from the horror. Roving bands of high school football coaches are running around tyrannizing public schools by exploiting players and forcing them to play for Trinity and Cardinal Ritter brain washing them with weight training, film study and Jesus is love ideals. What's the world coming too? Armageddon. We all lose our opportunity to win football games and the kids are not educated in this awful unfair system.
Hey, its just the rules.
Undue Influence:
Members of the Missouri State High School Activities Association must refrain from recruitment, inducement or
other forms of persuasion and undue influence which would encourage a student to enroll in a school primarily
for interscholastic activities purposes. Both the sending and receiving school will be asked by MSHSAA if they
believe that undue influence is involved.
Penalty for Student(s) and/or School(s) Involved in Undue Influence
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School:
The attempt to unduly influence a student to enroll in a school or transfer from one school to
another by any person or group connected, directly or indirectly with a member school, may require the
school concerned to forfeit participation in the district and state tournament(s) for the ensuing series
competition. Further, the offending school’s membership status in the Association.
Student:
The enrollment of a student in a school, or the transfer of a student from one school to another,
because of undue influence shall cause the student to forfeit eligibility at the school concerned for a
period not to exceed the remainder of his/her high school career and not to exceed 365 days at the
member school from which the student transferred or, for an incoming freshman, the school(s) the
student was eligible to attend under the Promotion Standard.
Transferring for Athletic Reasons:
A student will not be eligible to compete at a new school for 365 days if the transfer is for athletic reasons
(dislikes the coach at former school, hopes for more playing time at new school, chance to be on a better team,
hoping for more “exposure”, etc). Both the sending and receiving school will be asked by MSHSAA if they
believe that athletic reasons are involved in the transfer.
We all know the rules. Start your own football team and make this unfair world right. Don't even hope you get move in because you're winning, or cry over a move out because you suck. Be my guest.
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There’s the tricky task of proving that a family enrolls a kid into another school “primarily for interscholastic activities purposes”. There’s apparently more to it than just saying that it’s so. In fact, families have to PROVE that it ISN’T the case in order to get an eligibility waiver. Clearly, MSHSAA’s satisfied with the evidence that’s been provided.
Peter Quill
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So why not let in teams like Lighthouse Christian? 2017 national homeschool champions from Springfield.
Man you do know in most towns the percentage of players that transfer from the youth program and actually make it to their senior year in high school is probable around 30%. I was the president of our youth program for over 15 years and I have the roster for all of those grades thru the years, me and our head coach have looked at it and rarely is it over 30%. Even within each year of youth players can change drastically from year to year. Just this year from my child's 3rd grade year to 4th grade year we had over 8 new players come out and just as many not come out, several moved away, it happens. The year our team won state I think out of 43 differnent boys that played at one point in youth only 8 were originally on the youth program at sometime.
At one time the Starting QB for Springfield Catholic played I believe all 4 years for the MV youth program, they would have been so much better had he stayed there instead of transferring to Springfield Catholic. Our sophomores almost never lost in youth, but several kids have moved away for various reason, leaving that team virtually unrecognizable.
Just because a rural town has a youth program, does not mean those kids will stay together all 10 years and become something special.
I never said public schools don't recruit. But its not legal for them....it is legal for private schools. I honestly don't care that Trinity won or any private school for that matter, but to sit here and pretend they (or any other private schools) don't have an advantage over public schools is ridiculous.
Sounds to me like your youth program is running a lot of kids out of football and you have 15 years worth of data to prove it. Nice work.
They do have an advantage which is why programs tend to strive for that, but its unfeasible for many cities. It tends to work in the small to medium size towns, but not so much the larger cities....
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You are a waste of space......................You’re a grown ass man that spends his time pretending to be a character from a wack Tom Cruise movie about a high school football team in a fictional town in Pennsylvania. But YOU want to judge ME on substance? FOH
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I think actually I remember you.................smoking crack across the street from the Dome back in 2013.
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Miss FB girl got some issues going on.................
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Hey Mr. Morock.................been pondering this whole deal all week but been busy trying to run my part of a business: Have u ever experienced one day of real, geniuine poverty in your entire life? Or does it make you feel better inside to "donate" to charity. Awaiting your answer.......................thanks in advance.
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B-a-l-o-n-e-y. You are the true racist here (along with miss FBislife). Take it to another more friendly board like the CNN twitter account...............
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BINGO. That is why I called him out and will do so from here on out..................if MORock actually ever returns. He is the typical elitist living in comfort (and likely always has) preaching to the masses along of the lines of "you racist Nazis not from KC or STL need to understand the plight of the inner city". Guess what. I know all about it and have done zillions more tangible work with kids there than he ever will.
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I guess you missed it when i said "SUCCESSFUL" youth programs. And rural teams arent the only ones who have youth programs in football and definitely not basketball If you want me to list some of the programs to prove you wrong, please ask me to do so. Lastly not every school that has a youth program will be successful. But guess what, most private schools dont have successful sports programs either. You just dont ever hear people complaining about those.
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And i have spent zillions more time with kids from other areas and third world countries than you ever will. Guess what they all have in common. They are all kids.
I have often pondered that, it is one of the reason I stepped down, I felt maybe somebody else could do a better job.
Like you, I've been consumed by work this week. I also pondered my original post, and admittedly painted with too broad of a brush. Sorry to those I have offended - and I obviously did a crappy job trying to make a point. Honestly, the thread morphed and had so many contributions that I just gave up.
To answer your question, I was not raised in a wealthy environment - actually quite blue collar. I am not wealthy today, but I have been fortunate in many ways and am not uncomfortable. My parents sacrificed greatly to educate me as they were not anywhere close to wealthy, and I was expected to contribute to the cost of my education, beginning in the 9th grade. I chose to educate my children in parochial and private schools, for many reasons - religion being the dominant one. My kids too contributed to the cost of their education. I have not experienced genuine poverty (in my personal life), and recognize that I have been blessed in many ways. It does make me feel good to donate to charity. Further, I also contributed in time and talent - many times at the expense of more leisure activities. That too makes me feel good. As my kids are now grown I am finding myself having more time to give - that is a good thing.
I do think that certain private schools have advantages (Rockhurst being one), most driven by location (being in a population center), and money/funding. Generally, at least in the metro areas my observation is that schools with affluence; public and private have a huge advantage over those that are less affluent. In our area, and as you point out this is best seen in the IL, or over in WyCo.
I don't desire to get into a philanthropic pissing contest. I would be willing to buy you a beer to discuss directly - I am always open to being enlightened.
Finally, it was suggested by another poster that after Webb beat Rock that I've gone into hiding. No doubt, I would have loved for Rock to have won one of those games, but I respect the heck out both Webb and Rockhurst for playing the games. The better team won both times and I see no shame in admitting it. I am not on this board often anymore more due to life, and picking where I want to spend my energy. This thread has reminded me of that. I still have huge love for high school sports - going to a b-ball game for my local public school tonight in fact, and I know no one on the court - better than sitting in a bar, or in front of the TV!
I also have to admit that I find the "Doc Guys" to be entertaining.
The issue has nothing to do with affluence, wealth, advantage, etc... It has to do with competition and scale. If you are a Class 3 team recruiting 20 new players (half of which are sophs and half upper classmen) in any particular year--then there is a problem.
Yep. It’s ABSOLUTELY an advantage. It’s a shame that anonymous crying on a Rivals message board won’t change it.
Have ANY of you guys actually gone and brought the issue to your coaches and ADs?
Please educate yourself. People did take it to their AD . Good grief. Read.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hig...cle_8ee6c1f6-53fd-11e3-8fbc-001a4bcf6878.html
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hig...cle_8ee6c1f6-53fd-11e3-8fbc-001a4bcf6878.html
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