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As many on this board know, I am a Rockhurst guy and a supporter of private schools. I've been lurking with interest in the recent threads primarily about Trinity and Ritter; two schools about which I know little. What I do know is that both schools primarily serve African American communities that are being poorly served by their local public schools.

Unfortunately today, the reality of high school sports is that schools with money, or primarily affluent populations (like a Rockhurst for example) will have an advantage. No different than say Staley (as opposed to say Winnetonka). Parents with money provide opportunities for specialized training, better nutrition, ability to not "have to work" and instead focus on school/sports, and a safe place to sleep at night. It seems to me that schools like Trinity and Ritter are providing at least an opportunity for a better education in a less distracting, and likely safer environment. So what if many of these kids aren't Roman Catholic. The mission of these schools should be to help the disadvantaged - regardless of religion. My bible shows Jesus reaching out to all people - not just his own. For many of the kids that just won state at Trinity I am betting that the experience is one of the more positive ones that they have had in their lives to this point. Good for them, and shame on those who would deny their celebration. Why should these kids be stuck in an environment where they would never have an opportunity for that success. Let's also remember that not every kid at Trinity is an athlete, many are there because it is safe, and just better than their neighborhood option. I hope the opportunity that they receive is a great step towards long-term success in life - which is what builds better communities.

As for my school (Rockhurst), and recruiting. I find it interesting that it is not unusual for those that want to cast aspersions (you know who you are), generally point to athletes who happen to be African American. Why is that? Do you make the assumption that just because a kid is African American that they don't have the academic ability, or that they don't have parents willing to make the sacrifice to send their boys to school at a place where the opportunity for academic and athletic success might be greater? Would you be surprised that these young men end up at places like West Point, or the University of Chicago? Just like our broader student population, some of these boys have two parents, some have one. Some come from money, some don't, and some come from Catholic grade schools, some don't. At Rockhurst we attract boys from throughout the city - unapologetically. You might be surprised to know however that transfers in after Freshman year are rare, and unless it is from a relocation I am not sure it is allowed after Sophomore year. Generally a class starts with about 280 and graduates about 250, so we go the other direction. Do boys come to Rockhurst because they want to be part of the football tradition - no doubt. Just as kids come there for the academic reputation. There are boys with financial means, and ones without. I am aware of young men (who are not athletes - but receive aid) who leave their house(s) every morning at 5:30 AM to catch the multiple buses that get them to school. The mission of our school is to educate and develop the full person, and this means developing talents outside of academic pursuits - including athletics. I think this is also (or should be) the mission of public schools. Unfortunately, while well intentioned many public schools - especially in less affluent communities don't have the resources to provide comparable opportunities. BTW, Over 40% of our boys receive some form of aid - athletes and non, Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian. The aid comes from fundraising (Annual Giving, Major Donors, Endowed Scholarships, and various fundraising events) which provides somewhere in the neighborhood of $2-3 million per year.

My appeal; let's check the veiled racism at the door. Let's look at the real issue which isn't public/private, but those schools with money (or located in affluent areas) and those without. Break the classes down by socio-economics (and community support) and you might have a the first fair classification for sports in MSHSAA history.
 
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As many on this board know, I am a Rockhurst guy and a supporter of private schools. I've been lurking with interest in the recent threads primarily about Trinity and Ritter; two schools about which I know little. What I do know is that both schools primarily serve African American communities that are being poorly served by their local public schools.

Unfortunately today, the reality of high school sports is that schools with money, or primarily affluent populations (like a Rockhurst for example) will have an advantage. No different than say Staley (as opposed to say Winnetonka). Parents with money provide opportunities for specialized training, better nutrition, ability to not "have to work" and instead focus on school/sports, and a safe place to sleep at night. It seems to me that schools like Trinity and Ritter are providing at least an opportunity for a better education in a less distracting, and likely safer environment. So what if many of these kids aren't Roman Catholic. The mission of these schools should be to help the disadvantaged - regardless of religion. My bible shows Jesus reaching out to all people - not just his own. For many of the kids that just won state at Trinity I am betting that the experience is one of the more positive ones that they have had in their lives to this point. Good for them, and shame on those who would deny their celebration. Why should these kids be stuck in an environment where they would never have an opportunity for that success. Let's also remember that not every kid at Trinity is an athlete, many are there because it is safe, and just better than their neighborhood option. I hope the opportunity that they receive is a great step towards long-term success in life - which is what builds better communities.

As for my school (Rockhurst), and recruiting. I find it interesting that it is not unusual for those that want to cast aspersions (you know who you are), generally point to athletes who happen to be African American. Why is that? Do you make the assumption that just because a kid is African American that they don't have the academic ability, or that they don't have parents willing to make the sacrifice to send their boys to school at a place where the opportunity for academic and athletic success might be greater? Would you be surprised that these young men end up at places like West Point, or the University of Chicago? Just like our broader student population, some of these boys have two parents, some have one. Some come from money, some don't, and some come from Catholic grade schools, some don't. At Rockhurst we attract boys from throughout the city - unapologetically. You might be surprised to know however that transfers in after Freshman year are rare, and unless it is from a relocation I am not sure it is allowed after Sophomore year. Generally a class starts with about 280 and graduates about 250, so we go the other direction. Do boys come to Rockhurst because they want to be part of the football tradition - no doubt. Just as kids come there for the academic reputation. There are boys with financial means, and ones without. I am aware of young men (who are not athletes - but receive aid) who leave their house(s) every morning at 5:30 AM to catch the multiple buses that get them to school. The mission of our school is to educate and develop the full person, and this means developing talents outside of academic pursuits - including athletics. I think this is also (or should be) the mission of public schools. Unfortunately, while well intentioned many public schools - especially in less affluent communities don't have the resources to provide comparable opportunities. BTW, Over 40% of our boys receive some form of aid - athletes and non, Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian. The aid comes from fundraising (Annual Giving, Major Donors, Endowed Scholarships, and various fundraising events) which provides somewhere in the neighborhood of $2-3 million per year.

My appeal; let's check the veiled racism at the door. Let's look at the real issue which isn't public/private, but those schools with money (or located in affluent areas) and those without. Break the classes down by socio-economics (and community support) and you might have a the first fair classification for sports in MSHAA history.

It’s actually called: MSHSAA
 
So you’re now bringing race into the issue??? Really??? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I haven’t seen one person irritated about a kid getting a scholarship to a private school, that’s not the issue. I think it’s great and I’m all for giving a kid a chance at a better life. The issue is they don’t have to follow the same rules when it comes to athletics. It’s the situation as a whole.
 
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So you’re now bringing race into the issue??? Really??? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I haven’t seen one person irritated about a kid getting a scholarship to a private school, that’s not the issue. I think it’s great and I’m all for giving a kid a chance at a better life. The issue is they don’t have to follow the same rules when it comes to athletics. It’s the situation as a whole.

Yes, I am. Not all, but a very vocal few generally only question when it is an African American athlete at a higher end private school. I also thought it was an undercurrent of a good bit of the complaining about Trinity/Ritter.

They do follow the same rules. If the public schools in the neighborhoods in question offered a better option then this wouldn’t be an issue. Why penalize the private school for the public school’s failing?
 
As many on this board know, I am a Rockhurst guy and a supporter of private schools. I've been lurking with interest in the recent threads primarily about Trinity and Ritter; two schools about which I know little. What I do know is that both schools primarily serve African American communities that are being poorly served by their local public schools.

Unfortunately today, the reality of high school sports is that schools with money, or primarily affluent populations (like a Rockhurst for example) will have an advantage. No different than say Staley (as opposed to say Winnetonka). Parents with money provide opportunities for specialized training, better nutrition, ability to not "have to work" and instead focus on school/sports, and a safe place to sleep at night. It seems to me that schools like Trinity and Ritter are providing at least an opportunity for a better education in a less distracting, and likely safer environment. So what if many of these kids aren't Roman Catholic. The mission of these schools should be to help the disadvantaged - regardless of religion. My bible shows Jesus reaching out to all people - not just his own. For many of the kids that just won state at Trinity I am betting that the experience is one of the more positive ones that they have had in their lives to this point. Good for them, and shame on those who would deny their celebration. Why should these kids be stuck in an environment where they would never have an opportunity for that success. Let's also remember that not every kid at Trinity is an athlete, many are there because it is safe, and just better than their neighborhood option. I hope the opportunity that they receive is a great step towards long-term success in life - which is what builds better communities.

As for my school (Rockhurst), and recruiting. I find it interesting that it is not unusual for those that want to cast aspersions (you know who you are), generally point to athletes who happen to be African American. Why is that? Do you make the assumption that just because a kid is African American that they don't have the academic ability, or that they don't have parents willing to make the sacrifice to send their boys to school at a place where the opportunity for academic and athletic success might be greater? Would you be surprised that these young men end up at places like West Point, or the University of Chicago? Just like our broader student population, some of these boys have two parents, some have one. Some come from money, some don't, and some come from Catholic grade schools, some don't. At Rockhurst we attract boys from throughout the city - unapologetically. You might be surprised to know however that transfers in after Freshman year are rare, and unless it is from a relocation I am not sure it is allowed after Sophomore year. Generally a class starts with about 280 and graduates about 250, so we go the other direction. Do boys come to Rockhurst because they want to be part of the football tradition - no doubt. Just as kids come there for the academic reputation. There are boys with financial means, and ones without. I am aware of young men (who are not athletes - but receive aid) who leave their house(s) every morning at 5:30 AM to catch the multiple buses that get them to school. The mission of our school is to educate and develop the full person, and this means developing talents outside of academic pursuits - including athletics. I think this is also (or should be) the mission of public schools. Unfortunately, while well intentioned many public schools - especially in less affluent communities don't have the resources to provide comparable opportunities. BTW, Over 40% of our boys receive some form of aid - athletes and non, Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian. The aid comes from fundraising (Annual Giving, Major Donors, Endowed Scholarships, and various fundraising events) which provides somewhere in the neighborhood of $2-3 million per year.

My appeal; let's check the veiled racism at the door. Let's look at the real issue which isn't public/private, but those schools with money (or located in affluent areas) and those without. Break the classes down by socio-economics (and community support) and you might have a the first fair classification for sports in MSHSAA history.
Break the classes down by socio-economics (and community support) and you might have a the first fair classification for sports in MSHSAA history.

No. This is a terrible idea, though I think you're using your classification on income level idea as just an example of your diversity.

There is no perfect system. Its not supposed to be. The system is as fair now as its ever been or ever can be.

That's the answer. This is why we just leave it alone, and try not to make it worse.

By taking care of our own business, and expect other people to do the right thing is the fairest system known to mankind.

Everyone knows the rules. Corruption is in everything that's worth achieving. But the system is still fundamentally fair.

Regardless of what any of these yahoos say.
 
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So you’re now bringing race into the issue??? Really??? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I haven’t seen one person irritated about a kid getting a scholarship to a private school, that’s not the issue. I think it’s great and I’m all for giving a kid a chance at a better life. The issue is they don’t have to follow the same rules when it comes to athletics. It’s the situation as a whole.

It’s odd that you’d get so defensive by the suggestion that race is a variable, if it played no part in your reactions. It’s pretty clear that you’re way more upset about Trinity than you are CBC, Chaminade, Vianney, and MICDS. You say it’s not about the college offers Trinity’s kids have, but you bring up how many of their kids have offers in other comments when explaining why you are fixated on Trinity.

Clearly, a large number of rural coaches have disdain for the current MSHSAA rules and format. Why not go to Bailey and get the other coaches and ADs to take it to MSHSAA and change things? It’s way more productive than complaining about Trinity or expecting private schools to voluntarily refuse to enroll students because you don’t like it.
 
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Trinity has changed the narrative. If Rockhurst, Valle, Springfield Catholic or any private school had brought a bunch together like Trinity did we would be screaming bloody murder about them too.

Using youth league sports' coaches to cultivate a team like Trinity had this year was kinda brilliant actually.
 
Trinity has changed the narrative. If Rockhurst, Valle, Springfield Catholic or any private school had brought a bunch together like Trinity did we would be screaming bloody murder about them too.

Using youth league sports' coaches to cultivate a team like Trinity had this year was kinda brilliant actually.

So, you wouldn’t be bitching about Trinity if they’d won multiple state championships ... just as long as their kids didn’t get college scholarships?
 
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Quit bringing up race. It diminishes any valid point you’re trying to make. Quit comparing the complaints about Trinity to those regarding CBC.
Again, Trinity is a class 2/3 school with at least 12 FBS recruits. It’s preposterous and no public school could have the same kind of talent pool ever...at any time.
That could only be done at a private school.
Again, reiterating: The gripe is with the amount of ridiculous talent at a tiny school and they’re the ones most recently on the radar. If they were white, black or chartreuse it wouldn’t make a difference.
Exactamundo, Richie Cunningham! Cracks me up whether here, twitter or elsewhere to read bilge from folks who literally know ZIPPO about what living in the inner city is really all about. Why I get so defensive here when folks cut down my use of IL games in my contest among other things..................would bet the farm most of the so-called all-knowing elitists who have chosen this forum of late have never faced what I did for three years and that PALES in comparison to what I saw/experienced those years. Sorry had to chime in on this one................
 
Regardless of race......................geez cannot believe MORock even went there. Sooooooo far off base (coming from a former inner city resident BTW).
Yep top - went there. I think I said regardless of religion though.

Trinity’s success is a function of the failing of the North County public schools.
 
:rolleyes:Fixated on Trinity....that’s funny!! Personally I don’t think it’s right, but that’s just me. We’ve beaten both Trinity and LN so it can be done even with all the D1 recruits.


Yet, here you are ... crying and moaning about a team that you didn’t even play in 2018. You didn’t beat Cassville or Lathrop this year. Maybe you should readjust your priorities?
 
Yep top - went there. I think I said regardless of religion though.

Trinity’s success is a function of the failing of the North County public schools.
And exactly whose fault is that??????
 
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Quit bringing up race. It diminishes any valid point you’re trying to make. Quit comparing the complaints about Trinity to those regarding CBC.
Again, Trinity is a class 2/3 school with at least 12 FBS recruits. It’s preposterous and no public school could have the same kind of talent pool ever...at any time.
That could only be done at a private school.
Again, reiterating: The gripe is with the amount of ridiculous talent at a tiny school and they’re the ones most recently on the radar. If they were white, black or chartreuse it wouldn’t make a difference.


There it is again. The knee-jerk defensiveness. Yeah ... I’m sure a bunch of black kids going to a private high school, winning State this year, getting tons of publicity and college scholarships has absolutely nothing to do with why you’re so upset.

It’d be a lot more convincing if you spent any time at all bitching about CBC, Vianney, Chaminade, MICDS, JBS and Valle. It is what it is. Here’s a bit of news for you though ... small town Missouri ALREADY has a pretty foul reputation with regards to racial attitudes. You can blame me if you want to, but I wasn’t the original poster that made the statement. It’s odd that you’d focus on me.
 
Everybody knows it’s them damn rural coaches
Yeah and what is up with THAT elitism? Should've known, though, that the current political divide (which is really scary in places, folks) would make its way here. WOW
 
There it is again. The knee-jerk defensiveness. Yeah ... I’m sure a bunch of black kids going to a private high school, winning State this year, getting tons of publicity and college scholarships has absolutely nothing to do with why you’re so upset.

It’d be a lot more convincing if you spent any time at all bitching about CBC, Vianney, Chaminade, MICDS, JBS and Valle. It is what it is. Here’s a bit of news for you though ... small town Missouri ALREADY has a pretty foul reputation with regards to racial attitudes. You can blame me if you want to, but I wasn’t the original poster that made the statement. It’s odd that you’d focus on me.
I've lived in both environments...................STICK THE DAMNED ELITISM!
 
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Exactamundo, Richie Cunningham! Cracks me up whether here, twitter or elsewhere to read bilge from folks who literally know ZIPPO about what living in the inner city is really all about. Why I get so defensive here when folks cut down my use of IL games in my contest among other things..................would bet the farm most of the so-called all-knowing elitists who have chosen this forum of late have never faced what I did for three years and that PALES in comparison to what I saw/experienced those years. Sorry had to chime in on this one................
Actually
And exactly whose fault is that??????
Hmmm - how about the massive departure of middle class manufacturing jobs in North County.
 
And exactly whose fault is that??????


Bro, it’s not like the public school districts outside of STL are blowing the doors off of Statewide Testing. It’s as foul to imagine that kids that go to Trinity are there out of charity because their families can’t possibly afford to pay tuition and live in gang-infested neighborhoods ... as it is for me to imagine you all live in trailers, spend your spare time trying to make the Varsity Banjo Team and are married to your own cousins.
 
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It’s odd that you’d get so defensive by the suggestion that race is a variable, if it played no part in your reactions. It’s pretty clear that you’re way more upset about Trinity than you are CBC, Chaminade, Vianney, and MICDS. You say it’s not about the college offers Trinity’s kids have, but you bring up how many of their kids have offers in other comments when explaining why you are fixated on Trinity.

Clearly, a large number of rural coaches have disdain for the current MSHSAA rules and format. Why not go to Bailey and get the other coaches and ADs to take it to MSHSAA and change things? It’s way more productive than complaining about Trinity or expecting private schools to voluntarily refuse to enroll students because you don’t like it.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why I must troll another 9 months. Its disgusting! CBC & Vianney have been more dominant than any team in the State the last 3 years. Yet its little All-Black Trinity HS that gets 90% of the hate? All 3 schools “recruit”. It may not be a racial aspect but man it smells like it to me.
 
Bro, it’s not like the public school districts outside of STL are blowing the doors off of Statewide Testing. It’s as foul to imagine that kids that go to Trinity are there out of charity because their families can’t possibly afford to pay tuition and live in gang-infested neighborhoods ... as it is for me to imagine you all live in trailers, spend your spare time trying to make the Varsity Banjo Team and are married to your own cousins.
Wow how old are you? All you do on here is troll.................literally ADD NOTHING. Who is you all, BTW? I am back in my hometown but lived over a quarter century in KC and have traveled to some of the meanest streets (used to be a club DJ in the 90s, there's a little shock for all LOL) in the biggest cities in the Lower 48 so not up at all with your idiotic elitism. Oh well suppose the "mommy's basement" crowd was gonna find MOSports eventually................
 
Wow how old are you? All you do on here is troll.................literally ADD NOTHING. Who is you all, BTW? I am back in my hometown but lived over a quarter century in KC and have traveled to some of the meanest streets (used to be a club DJ in the 90s, there's a little shock for all LOL) in the biggest cities in the Lower 48 so not up at all with your idiotic elitism. Oh well suppose the "mommy's basement" crowd was gonna find MOSports eventually................

I’ve read posts from you clowns since State bitching about Trinity and nothing else. Fools here have demanded everything from having the addresses of kids made public so trolls can see what public school they’d have gone to, to calling it immoral for private schools to accept kids from within 25 miles of their school because MSHSAA’s rules allow it.

I’m currently sitting in my own tub (not my mom’s) and sipping on some GOOD bourbon while I type. My contribution to your whiney asses is that you go to your coaches and ADs and demand they vote to split the post-season into public and private. I’m ENCOURAGING your lazy asses to do the ONE thing that’ll actually address your beef. I realize, however, that you’re here bitching because you CHOOSE to bitch rather than act. So, since we ALL know it ... why shouldn’t I have fun too?
 
I’ve read posts from you clowns since State bitching about Trinity and nothing else. Fools here have demanded everything from having the addresses of kids made public so trolls can see what public school they’d have gone to, to calling it immoral for private schools to accept kids from within 25 miles of their school because MSHSAA’s rules allow it.

I’m currently sitting in my own tub (not my mom’s) and sipping on some GOOD bourbon while I type. My contribution to your whiney asses is that you go to your coaches and ADs and demand they vote to split the post-season into public and private. I’m ENCOURAGING your lazy asses to do the ONE thing that’ll actually address your beef. I realize, however, that you’re here bitching because you CHOOSE to bitch rather than act. So, since we ALL know it ... why shouldn’t I have fun too?
I invite you to post ONE negative thing I said about Trinity Catholic who, BTW, I picked to win C3 back in August (that you should be able to find). I root for all the kids and don't care where they come from. Do I root (sometimes rabidly) for my alma mater and this region? YES. Do I ever exhibit poor sportsmanship toward any team/kids................NO and I've been here for over 11 years now. I chimed in because this elitism coming (now unbelievably) from both cities is pi$$ing me off. Again you contribute NOTHING of substance to this site..................
 
I invite you to post ONE negative thing I said about Trinity Catholic who, BTW, I picked to win C3 back in August (that you should be able to find). I root for all the kids and don't care where they come from. Do I root (sometimes rabidly) for my alma mater and this region? YES. Do I ever exhibit poor sportsmanship toward any team/kids................NO and I've been here for over 11 years now. I chimed in because this elitism coming (now unbelievably) from both cities is pi$$ing me off. Again you contribute NOTHING of substance to this site..................


You’re a grown ass man that spends his time pretending to be a character from a wack Tom Cruise movie about a high school football team in a fictional town in Pennsylvania. But YOU want to judge ME on substance? FOH

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You’re a grown ass man that spends his time pretending to be a character from a wack Tom Cruise movie about a high school football team in a fictional town in Pennsylvania. But YOU want to judge ME on substance? FOH

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Excuse me!? So many things wrong with that post. For starters, tophat is not a Doc Guy. Second, Tom Cruise movie!? Its a documentary about the struggles of a small, rural steel mill town in PA. You keep posting like that, and you'll have Bosko and his buddies dumping trash on your lawn and spray painting your house in no time!
 
LoL.... FB, please read do a search of Valle just so you can see it’s not just Trinity that everyone supposedly hates. You’re nothing special. The public private debate goes on EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
 
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Excuse me!? So many things wrong with that post. For starters, tophat is not a Doc Guy. Second, Tom Cruise movie!? Its a documentary about the struggles of a small, rural steel mill town in PA. You keep posting like that, and you'll have Bosko and his buddies dumping trash on your lawn and spray painting your house in no time!
Here, here!!! Well said Shoot. You make a fine Doc Guy. As for the bozo trash talking Ampipe, keep it up buddy! As Shoot said, you'll soon find trash dumped all over your lawn and possibly a slashed tire or two! Although no proof was ever shown that I was the one slashing Coach Nickerson's tires. house that night.....
 
So why not allow public schools to recruit? Open enrollment? Would the private schools have a problem with that? Bud Lathrop?
Raytown South 4 1970, 1972, 1977, 1990
 
I invite you to post ONE negative thing I said about Trinity Catholic who, BTW, I picked to win C3 back in August (that you should be able to find). I root for all the kids and don't care where they come from. Do I root (sometimes rabidly) for my alma mater and this region? YES. Do I ever exhibit poor sportsmanship toward any team/kids................NO and I've been here for over 11 years now. I chimed in because this elitism coming (now unbelievably) from both cities is pi$$ing me off. Again you contribute NOTHING of substance to this site..................

Well, and Kearney always beats the private schools. So does Webb... Haha..No private school winners in over 20+ years in Class 4.
 
As many on this board know, I am a Rockhurst guy and a supporter of private schools. I've been lurking with interest in the recent threads primarily about Trinity and Ritter; two schools about which I know little. What I do know is that both schools primarily serve African American communities that are being poorly served by their local public schools.

Unfortunately today, the reality of high school sports is that schools with money, or primarily affluent populations (like a Rockhurst for example) will have an advantage. No different than say Staley (as opposed to say Winnetonka). Parents with money provide opportunities for specialized training, better nutrition, ability to not "have to work" and instead focus on school/sports, and a safe place to sleep at night. It seems to me that schools like Trinity and Ritter are providing at least an opportunity for a better education in a less distracting, and likely safer environment. So what if many of these kids aren't Roman Catholic. The mission of these schools should be to help the disadvantaged - regardless of religion. My bible shows Jesus reaching out to all people - not just his own. For many of the kids that just won state at Trinity I am betting that the experience is one of the more positive ones that they have had in their lives to this point. Good for them, and shame on those who would deny their celebration. Why should these kids be stuck in an environment where they would never have an opportunity for that success. Let's also remember that not every kid at Trinity is an athlete, many are there because it is safe, and just better than their neighborhood option. I hope the opportunity that they receive is a great step towards long-term success in life - which is what builds better communities.

As for my school (Rockhurst), and recruiting. I find it interesting that it is not unusual for those that want to cast aspersions (you know who you are), generally point to athletes who happen to be African American. Why is that? Do you make the assumption that just because a kid is African American that they don't have the academic ability, or that they don't have parents willing to make the sacrifice to send their boys to school at a place where the opportunity for academic and athletic success might be greater? Would you be surprised that these young men end up at places like West Point, or the University of Chicago? Just like our broader student population, some of these boys have two parents, some have one. Some come from money, some don't, and some come from Catholic grade schools, some don't. At Rockhurst we attract boys from throughout the city - unapologetically. You might be surprised to know however that transfers in after Freshman year are rare, and unless it is from a relocation I am not sure it is allowed after Sophomore year. Generally a class starts with about 280 and graduates about 250, so we go the other direction. Do boys come to Rockhurst because they want to be part of the football tradition - no doubt. Just as kids come there for the academic reputation. There are boys with financial means, and ones without. I am aware of young men (who are not athletes - but receive aid) who leave their house(s) every morning at 5:30 AM to catch the multiple buses that get them to school. The mission of our school is to educate and develop the full person, and this means developing talents outside of academic pursuits - including athletics. I think this is also (or should be) the mission of public schools. Unfortunately, while well intentioned many public schools - especially in less affluent communities don't have the resources to provide comparable opportunities. BTW, Over 40% of our boys receive some form of aid - athletes and non, Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian. The aid comes from fundraising (Annual Giving, Major Donors, Endowed Scholarships, and various fundraising events) which provides somewhere in the neighborhood of $2-3 million per year.

My appeal; let's check the veiled racism at the door. Let's look at the real issue which isn't public/private, but those schools with money (or located in affluent areas) and those without. Break the classes down by socio-economics (and community support) and you might have a the first fair classification for sports in MSHSAA history.

I'm advocating for open enrollment in the public schools. Choose where you go. Would the private schools have a problem with that? Bud Lathrop?
Raytown South 4 1970, 1972, 1977, 1990
 
Here, here!!! Well said Shoot. You make a fine Doc Guy. As for the bozo trash talking Ampipe, keep it up buddy! As Shoot said, you'll soon find trash dumped all over your lawn and possibly a slashed tire or two! Although no proof was ever shown that I was the one slashing Coach Nickerson's tires. house that night.....

Your a bleeping loser Bosko. Quit ruining the big boy threads and finish your donut
 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why I must troll another 9 months. Its disgusting! CBC & Vianney have been more dominant than any team in the State the last 3 years. Yet its little All-Black Trinity HS that gets 90% of the hate? All 3 schools “recruit”. It may not be a racial aspect but man it smells like it to me.

I don't think anybody on here hates Trinity or the kids or there racial makeup, jealous of the talent they assembled and the rules by which they were able to assemble this super small class team....yeah maybe. I just think what you believe to be racial hate is just incorrect, I hope Trinity is providing good for all kids in the inner city, I would be interested to see if they are providing as much financial aid to those who just want a better education versus those who play sports? That would be an interesting stat to see to back up what you are saying about Trinity providing an opportunity for all inner city kids, not just those who excel in sports?

If you have been on this board for any amount of time you would also know that this debate has been going on for years. And that it has mainly centered around small class private schools, for years Valle took the brunt of this, so it is nothing new, and I don't know their racial makeup but nobody from there has ever played the race card when trying to defend themselves, so I can pretty much assure you this is not about race.

This is about small class private schools being able to assemble more talent than a small public school could ever playing by the same set of rules that both have to abide by. So that clearly creates an unfair advantage especially in the small classifications such as class 1,2 or 3. I truly believe that if Trinity was a class 5 or 6 school that they would not be discussed on here much if at all, probable like CBC. But the fact that they were a class 2 and now class 3 school was able to assemble more D-1 talent than CBC a class 6 school only shows that small class rural schools and big city private schools are playing by different set of rules when assembling teams. And you are on the record as bragging about that. So this has truly created a very large talent gap between small class public schools Class 1, 2 and 3 and private schools and brought to the forefront the difference in which a small class private school can assemble a team versus a small rural public school can.

Trinity was able to hand pick their athletes from a town of over 1 million people versus small rural schools have to assemble theirs from the kids who reside within the district boundaries which usually has a population of just in the thousands. Big big difference especially in small classifications schools.
 
I don't think anybody on here hates Trinity or the kids or there racial makeup, jealous of the talent they assembled and the rules by which they were able to assemble this super small class team....yeah maybe. I just think what you believe to be racial hate is just incorrect, I hope Trinity is providing good for all kids in the inner city, I would be interested to see if they are providing as much financial aid to those who just want a better education versus those who play sports? That would be an interesting stat to see to back up what you are saying about Trinity providing an opportunity for all inner city kids, not just those who excel in sports?

If you have been on this board for any amount of time you would also know that this debate has been going on for years. And that it has mainly centered around small class private schools, for years Valle took the brunt of this, so it is nothing new, and I don't know their racial makeup but nobody from there has ever played the race card when trying to defend themselves, so I can pretty much assure you this is not about race.

This is about small class private schools being able to assemble more talent than a small public school could ever playing by the same set of rules that both have to abide by. So that clearly creates an unfair advantage especially in the small classifications such as class 1,2 or 3. I truly believe that if Trinity was a class 5 or 6 school that they would not be discussed on here much if at all, probable like CBC. But the fact that they were a class 2 and now class 3 school that was able to assemble more D-1 talent than CBC a class 6 school only shows that small class rural schools and big city private schools are playing by different set of rules when assembling teams. And you are on the record as bragging about that. So this has truly created a very large talent gap between small class public schools Class 1, 2 and 3 and private schools and brought to the forefront the difference in which a small class private school can assemble a team versus a small rural public school can.

Trinity was able to hand pick their athletes from a town of over 1 million people versus small rural schools have to assemble theirs from the kids who reside within the district boundaries which usually has a population of just in the thousands. Big big difference especially in small classifications schools.
Town of over *2.8 million. And did you just indirectly agree with my troll of Trinity is the 2nd best team after CBC? Lol beautiful.
 
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