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Postseason idea for next year

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Open for discussion, but just spitballing a possible scenario. I have read posts for years, but this is my first post.

Consider a football playoff system based on components of both the existing, past, and some taken from bordering states:

Week 1-9 : current point system for seeding into a week 10 matchup with existing district alignment

Week 10 : play-in game 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 winner advances. (Similar to the old wrestling sectional round before they expanded districts and eliminated the week in between districts and state wrestling) Byes given to higher seeds as needed for non-8 team district higher seeds so there would be 4 teams left after week 10 in each district. Winners advance, non-winners (losers) check in gear Monday.

Week 11-15 : remaining 4 teams from each district that won or received bye week 10 are placed into bracket similar to the Oklahoma system bracket, one team from each district in each quadrant of a 32 team bracket. Rotate evenly so you have same ratio of (2 each) 1-4 seeds in each quad. This would allow that you could not face a team from you own district until semifinals and could possibly have a district opponent in the state championship game. Seeding within each quad based on week 1-10 point system carryover so a 3 seed in a district could be a higher or lower seed in the bracket. Imagine having a way with a playoff system that could allow us to determine if class 4 district 5 or 8 are dominant enough over others, as has been loosely implied by some, to provide the last 4 teams remaining in the playoffs for their class. This system would also give more teams a true playoff experience with first round matchups that could be very interesting.

I haven't taken the time to plug in this years scenario, but I am certain that the week 11 matchups would have been at least as intriguing as this year and we could have eliminated a lot of "state championship" games in district play.

Some Downside: potentially more travel earlier (but that already happens within some districts as is). down sizing at the MSHSAA district plaque factory. MSHSAA would not be able to engineer possible championship matchups through district assignment.
 
I like the idea! I always hated the travel argument. Also, the state will not let it happen because they want representation from varying areas in the state. That will be the biggest hurdle (I believe) you will have to jump.

Wrestling had the do or die sectional that ended in 90. 1991 wrestling went to a district tournament (top 4 advance to sectionals), sectional tournament (top 4 advance to state). Now we have the currrent system of super districts.
 
I would be in favor of that, except seeding 1-32. It creates quite a bit of travel, but i would have enjoyed getting to play against teams I'd never even heard of.

Class 1 would look like this:

Week 11

32 West Platte @ 1 Valle Catholic
17 Wellington-Napoleon @ 16 Lockwood
24 Portageville @ 9 Penney
25 Liberal @ 8 Marceline
29 Tipton @ 4 Sarcoxie
20 Westran @ 13 Fayette
21 Plattsburg @ 12 Crest Ridge
28 Mark Twain @ 5 Lincoln
31 Putnam Co. @ 2 Monroe City
18 Ash Grove @ 15 East Buchanan
23 Chaffee @ 10 Thayer
26 South Shelby @ 7 Princeton
30 South Harrison @ 3 Pierce City
19 Windsor @ 14 Midway
22 Santa Fe @ 11Adrian
27 Scotland Co. @ 6 Hayti

Week 12 (from Calpreps results)

16 Lockwood @ 1 Valle Catholic
9 Penney @ 8 Marceline
20 Westran @ 4 Sarcoxie
21 Plattsburg @ 5 Lincoln
15 East Buchanan @ 2 Monroe City
10 Thayer @ 7 Princeton
19 Windsor @ 3 Pierce City
11 Adrian @ 6 Hayti

Week 13

9 Penney @ 1 Valle Catholic
5 Lincoln @ 4 Sarcoxie
7 Princeton @ 2 Monroe City
6 Hayti @ 3 Pierce City

Week 14

4 Sarcoxie @ 1 Valle Catholic
7 Princeton @ 6 Hayti

Week 15

1 Valle Catholic vs 7 Princeton in Columbia
 
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Class 2 Week 11

32 Knob Noster @ 1 Lutheran North
17 Lathrop @ 16 Palmyra
24 Mountain Grove @ 9 Caruthersville
25 Liberty Mountain View @ 8 North Callaway
29 East Prairie @ 4 Cardinal Ritter
20 Hallsville @ 13 Fair Grove
21 Father Tolton @ 12 University Academy
28 Warsaw @ 5 Lafayette Co.
31 Holden @ 2 Lamar
18 Macon @ 15 Strafford
23 Centralia @ 10 South Callaway
26 Lawson @ 7 Malden
30 Versailles @ 3 Trinity Catholic
19 Summit Christian @ 14 Carnahan
22 Charleston @ 11 Lexington
27 Clark Co. @ 6 Ava

Week 12 (With Calpreps results)

17 Lathrop @ 1 Lutheran North
9 Caruthersville @ 8 North Callaway
13 Fair Grove @ 4 Cardinal Ritter
21 Father Tolton @ 5 Lafayette Co.
18 Macon @ 2 Lamar
10 South Callaway @ 7 Malden
14 Carnahan @ 3 Trinity Catholic
11 Lexington @ 6 Ava

Week 13

9 Caruthersville @ 1 Lutheran North
5 Lafayette Co. @ 4 Cardinal Ritter
7 Malden @ 2 Lamar
6 Ava @ 3 Trinity Catholic

Week 14

5 Lafayette Co. @ 1 Lutheran North
3 Trinity Catholic @ 2 Lamar

Week 15

Lamar vs Lutheran North in Columbia
 
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Open for discussion, but just spitballing a possible scenario. I have read posts for years, but this is my first post.

Consider a football playoff system based on components of both the existing, past, and some taken from bordering states:

Week 1-9 : current point system for seeding into a week 10 matchup with existing district alignment

Week 10 : play-in game 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 winner advances. (Similar to the old wrestling sectional round before they expanded districts and eliminated the week in between districts and state wrestling) Byes given to higher seeds as needed for non-8 team district higher seeds so there would be 4 teams left after week 10 in each district. Winners advance, non-winners (losers) check in gear Monday.

Week 11-15 : remaining 4 teams from each district that won or received bye week 10 are placed into bracket similar to the Oklahoma system bracket, one team from each district in each quadrant of a 32 team bracket. Rotate evenly so you have same ratio of (2 each) 1-4 seeds in each quad. This would allow that you could not face a team from you own district until semifinals and could possibly have a district opponent in the state championship game. Seeding within each quad based on week 1-10 point system carryover so a 3 seed in a district could be a higher or lower seed in the bracket. Imagine having a way with a playoff system that could allow us to determine if class 4 district 5 or 8 are dominant enough over others, as has been loosely implied by some, to provide the last 4 teams remaining in the playoffs for their class. This system would also give more teams a true playoff experience with first round matchups that could be very interesting.

I haven't taken the time to plug in this years scenario, but I am certain that the week 11 matchups would have been at least as intriguing as this year and we could have eliminated a lot of "state championship" games in district play.

Some Downside: potentially more travel earlier (but that already happens within some districts as is). down sizing at the MSHSAA district plaque factory. MSHSAA would not be able to engineer possible championship matchups through district assignment.
I LOVE IT. The current system DOES get the State champion, does allow all teams a shot. BUT, there have been a couple of decent teams (Strafford 2014, FairGrove 2016, MVLiberty - and likely numerous more in Districts with a dominant team, See Webb City, Kearney, etc.) Where an outstanding team is gone after the District Title or next round, these teams should not meet until they have to meet. IMO. I just told a buddy that we (Missouri) should seed all of the teams, 1-64 , based on the current system, then play it from there. PS: I do NOT want to hear about travel/time. Some would be longer, some shorter, and this does not carry in real expense in the grand scheme of a total budget.
 
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Arkansas has a pretty good setup where they have 6 state sanctioned conferences of 8 teams (round robin district play) and the top 5 from each conference make the playoffs. Using this format, you would have to lose at least 3 out of 7 district games to miss the playoffs. You could still have a 5 way tie for 1st place with each team finishing 5-2 in conference play. They cross bracket teams from each conference so that teams from the same conference cannot face one another until at least the second round. Here is last year's Class 4 playoff bracket:

http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/...playoffs--2016-4a-football-state-bracket-.htm

As you can see, Conference 1 (NW Arkansas) was the strongest in the state and accounted for 3 out of the 4 semifinalists. Even with cross-bracketing, the state championship game still basically took place in the semifinals with the Conference 1 champion Prairie Grove losing to eventual state champion Warren in the semifinals. Meanwhile, the number 2 and number 3 seeds from Conference 1 got to face one another in the semifinals for a right to play in the Championship game. Even if we did it this way, there's no surefire way of ensuring that the two best teams don't face one another until the Championship, however; I think that it's still a better system overall.
 
Some serious travel with this plan. May be more doable if it was done starting with eight teams left.
 
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Class 3 Week 11

32 Vashon @ 1 McCluer South-Berkeley
17 Miller Career @ 16 Kennett
24 Southern Boone @ 9 Reeds Spring
25 St. Pius X (KC) @ 8 St. James
29 Pleasant Hill @ 4 Chillicothe
20 Pembroke Hill @ 13 Mexico
21 Salem @ 12 Maryville
28 Mt. Vernon @ 5 Blair Oaks
31 Confluence Prep @ 2 Hogan Prep
18 St. Charles West @ 15 Lutheran South
23 Ste. Genevieve @ 10 Eldon
26 Lutheran St. Charles @ 7 Seneca
30 Wright City @ 3 Central (Park Hills)
19 Cassville @ 14 Owensville
27 Orchard Farm @ 6 Center
22 Odessa @ 11 Springfield Catholic

Week 12 (From Calpreps Results)

16 Kennett @ 1 McCluer South-Berkeley
9 Reeds Spring @ 8 St. James
13 Mexico @ 4 Chillicothe
12 Maryville @ 5 Blair Oaks
15 Lutheran South @ 2 Hogan Prep
10 Eldon @ 7 Seneca
19 Cassville @ 3 Central (Park Hills)
11 Springfield Catholic @ 6 Center

Week 13

9 Reeds Spring @ 1 McCluer South-Berkeley
5 Blair Oaks @ 4 Chillicothe
15 Lutheran South @ 10 Eldon
6 Center @ 3 Central (Park Hills)

Week 14

9 Reeds Spring @ 5 Blair Oaks
10 Eldon @ 6 Center

Week 15
10 Eldon vs 5 Blair Oaks in Columbia
 
Since you're going to all this trouble @O line wins games , you have Westran and Fayette playing in the 2nd round in Class 1. They are both in the same current district.
Yeah, I decided that it would be easier to just seed 32 week 10 winners instead of trying to figure out the rotation. And it's no trouble, I probably find it more interesting than anyone.. almost even think it's fun to do :oops:
 
I get the idea, but I don't see the merit in it other than delaying a matchup with a top team till later.

If you're in class 4, for example, you're going to have to get past Webb at some point, so what difference does it make if you play them in the district semis or state championship game? Just the timing of the matchup?
 
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I get the idea, but I don't see the merit in it other than delaying a matchup with a top team till later.

If you're in class 4, for example, you're going to have to get past Webb at some point, so what difference does it make if you play them in the district semis or state championship game? Just the timing of the matchup?
Pretty much.. Along with making a run to the state championship or where ever you make it too. For instance, in class 4, 3 of the top 4 seeds are in the same district, so they wouldn't have to play until the semis at least where in the current system, West Plains was bounced in the district semis even though (theoretically) they are the 4th best team.
 
I get the idea, but I don't see the merit in it other than delaying a matchup with a top team till later.

If you're in class 4, for example, you're going to have to get past Webb at some point, so what difference does it make if you play them in the district semis or state championship game? Just the timing of the matchup?
In theory, this move makes it where if you are a "4 seed" in the state, you wouldn't play the 1 seed until the semifinals of state, instead of maybe playing them in your a district.

Look a Lutheran North and Trinity Catholic. That probably is a state championship matchup, definitely a semifinal caliber matchup, that ended in the "sectional" round, (aka District Championship). Carl Junction and Webb the last several years is another great example, or MV/BT Liberty and Lamar. Or Valle and Thayer, or Hayti.

I like the suggested idea.
 
Class 4 Week 11

32 Nevada @ 1 Webb City
17 Moberly @ 16 Lafayette (St. Joseph)
24 St. Mary's @ 9 Kearney
25 Harrisonville @ 8 Ladue Horton Watkins
29 Hannibal @ 4 West Plains
20 Rolla @ 13 Hillsboro
21 Grain Valley @ 12 Smithville
28 Helias @ 5 Camdenton
31 Gateway @ 2 Carl Junction
18 Fort Zumwalt East @ 15 North County
23 St. Clair @ 10 Warrenton
26 Cape Central @ 7 Parkway Central
30 Grandview @ 3 Riverview Gardens
19 Parkway West @ 14 Parkway North
27 Farmington @ 6 St. Francis Borgia
22 MICDS @ 11 Platte Co.

Week 12 (From Calpreps Results)

16 Lafayette (St. Joseph) @ 1 Webb City
9 Kearney @ 8 Ladue Horton Watkins
20 Rolla @ 4 West Plains
12 Smithville @ 5 Camdenton
15 North County @ 2 Carl Junction
23 St. Clair @ 7 Parkway Central
14 Parkway North @ 3 Riverview Gardens
11 Platte County @ 6 St. Francis Borgia

Week 13

9 Kearney @ 1 Webb City
12 Smithville @ 4 West Plains
7 Parkway Central @ 2 Carl Junction
14 Parkway North @ 11 Platte Co.

Week 14

12 Smithville @ 1 Webb City
11 Platte Co @ 2 Carl Junction

Week 15

2 Carl Junction vs 1 Webb City in Columbia
 
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Yeah, I decided that it would be easier to just seed 32 week 10 winners instead of trying to figure out the rotation. And it's no trouble, I probably find it more interesting than anyone.. almost even think it's fun to do :oops:
That's fine. You're not the only one in that camp. Hell, I spent the whole summer in 2011 putting together a Access database to compute the whole district point system the year before it was implemented for fun. We're two tortured souls.
 
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Class 5 Week 11

32 Ruskin @ 1 Fort Zumwalt North
17 William Chrisman @ 16 Lebanon
25 Willard @ 8 Pattonville
24 Rockwood Summit @ 9 Fort Osage
29 Neosho @ 4 Smith-Cotton
20 Liberty North @ 13 Hazelwood East
21 Belton @ 12 Battle
28 Branson @ 5 Poplar Bluff
31 Truman @ 2 Vianney
18 Glendale @ 15 Carthage
26 Park Hill South @ 7 Liberty
23 Holt @ 10 Chaminade
30 Fort Zumwalt South @ 3 Staley
19 Ozark @ 14 Webster Groves
27 Central (St. Joseph) @ 6 Jackson
22 Nixa @ 11 Timberland

Week 12 (from Calpreps Results)

16 Lebanon @ 1 Fort Zumwalt North
9 Fort Osage @ 8 Pattonville
20 Liberty North @ 4 Smith-Cotton
12 Battle @ 5 Poplar Bluff
15 Carthage @ 2 Vianney
10 Chaminade @ 7 Liberty
14 Webster Groves @ 3 Staley
11 Timberland @ 6 Jackson

Week 13

8 Pattonville @ 1 Fort Zumwalt North
20 Liberty North @ 12 Battle
7 Liberty @ 2 Vianney
6 Jackson @ 3 Staley

Week 14

12 Battle @ 8 Pattonville
3 Staley @ 2 Vianney

Week 15

8 Pattonville vs 2 Vianney in Columbia
 
I get the idea, but I don't see the merit in it other than delaying a matchup with a top team till later.

If you're in class 4, for example, you're going to have to get past Webb at some point, so what difference does it make if you play them in the district semis or state championship game? Just the timing of the matchup?
The difference it makes is this - theoretically if Carl Junction was truly the second best class 4 team in the state, 1) they'd have to prove it on the field but at least have a chance to; 2) they'd get to play 3 more games (which a top 2 team is deserving of); 3) their program would get better because of playing deeper; and 4) we'd all get to enjoy the true championship game in week 15 which is what you want.

Again, just saying theoretically- my point here is NOT to try and hype CJ as the second best team.
 
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Class 6 Week 11

16 Marquette @ 1 Eureka
9 Park Hill @ 8 Lee's Summit West
13 Ritenour @ 4 Hazelwood Central
12 Lafayette (Wildwood) @ 5 Kirkwood
15 Blue Springs South @ 2 CBC
10 Fort Zumwalt West @ 7 Blue Springs
14 Lee's Summit @ 3 Lindbergh
11 Rockhurst @ 6 Rock Bridge

Week 12 (From Calpreps Results)

9 Park Hill @ 1 Eureka
5 Kirkwood @ 4 Hazelwood Central
7 Blue Springs @ 2 CBC
11 Rockhurst @ 3 Lindbergh

Week 13

5 Kirkwood @ 1 Eureka
11 Rockhurst @ 2 CBC

Week 14

2 CBC vs 1 Eureka in Springfield
 
That's fine. You're not the only one in that camp. Hell, I spent the whole summer in 2011 putting together a Access database to compute the whole district point system the year before it was implemented for fun. We're two tortured souls.
I at least waited until it was implemented to do that!
 
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I really really like this idea. Especially with Lamar hosting the whole way through!

I think the number of long road trips would be the biggest turn off. Now it's at least somewhat regional early, with really just the last couple weeks having long trips for one of the teams. However that also lends to the top competition not always moving on...

If you could get a neutral host at a halfway point I'd say this would be bulletproof.
 
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I really really like this idea. Especially with Lamar hosting the whole way through!

I think the number of long road trips would be the biggest turn off. Now it's at least somewhat regional early, with really just the last couple weeks having long trips for one of the teams. However that also lends to the top competition not always moving on...

If you could get a neutral host at a halfway point I'd say this would be bulletproof.
I like the idea of home and away for 2 rounds then actual neutral sites maybe doubleheaders at regional universities pairing class 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 matchups for quarter on to finals
 
I like the idea of home and away for 2 rounds then actual neutral sites maybe doubleheaders at regional universities pairing class 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 matchups for quarter on to finals

Pairing multiple classes at a regional site is a really good idea. I hadn't thought of that. That would help soften the blow of whatever the cost would be for the schools to "rent" the facilities.

Or it could provide a great opportunity for local colleges to showcase their facilities. It worked out well for Pitt getting Lamar talent! lol
 
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