Playoffs in Missouri -??

[runbillyrun]

Yes, I am aware this has been ridden like a cheap horrific.

We really need to change what we do for football's version of, "luck of the draw", that we call "playoffs".

A Perfect example: (no offense to Warrensburg or H'ville is intended) Class 4 Warrensburg defeats Harrisonville in the district championship. These are two teams that Excelsior Springs defeated by a combined 53 points (H. 57-26 W 28-7)
But ExSpgs cannot make it to the finals in their District.

What we should do:
teams 33-64 match-up. 33 vs 34, 35 vs 36 ......63 vs 64.
Forget the bull crap about travel. We Could and should ell it as a way in which kids get to travel around our great state and maybe see some things, some places, they have never seen and play someone they have never played. That would be educational correct? Expanding on students horizons?

Then teams 1-32 are matched 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30 ....and the playoffs begin.

Again forget the very few extra dollars in travel. Think of it as part of the student-athletes education. Gas/Diesel does NOT cost all that much for 1 maybe two nights in a season.
IF gas cost so dang much then why do we not limit Volleyball to 9 travel days for games, limit Basketball to 9 travel days of games, limit baseball to 6 days of games. I grow weary hearing about "travel expense" in a sport (Football) that plays 4 or 5 road games in a regular season. No need to mention JV or 9th grade as those other activities have JV or 9th as well. CrapOla FFA takes 20 some trips a year. The debate team takes several trips too, the band.... Rant over.

 

[Mike*Honcho]

Huh?

 

[mowthegrass]

Did someone urinate in your corn flakes ? I read with a little more interest until you mentioned "CrapOla FFA". Let us agree to differ on the merits of FFA.

 

[TruthSerum]

Yes, I am aware this has been ridden like a cheap horrific. BUT We really need to change what we do for football's version of luck of the draw that we call playoffs. Perfect example: (no offense to Warrensburg or H'ville is intended) Class 4 Warrensburg defeats Harrisonville in the district championship. These are two teams that Excelsior Springs defeated by a combined 53 points (H. 57-26 W 28-7) But ExSpgs cannot make it to the finals in their District. What we should do. teams 33-64 matchup. 33 vs 34, 35 vs 36 ......63 vs 64. Forget the bull crap about travel. Sell it as a way in which kids get to travel around our great state and maybe see some things someplace they have never seen and play someone they have never played. That would be educational correct? Expanding on students horizons? Then teams 1-32 are matched 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30 ....and the playoffs begin. Again forget the very few extra dollars in travel, think of it as part of the student-athletes education. Gas/Diesel does NOT cost all that much for 1 maybe two nights in a season. IF gas cost so dang much then limit Volleyball to 9 travel days for games, limit Basketball to 9 travel days of games, limit baseball to 6 days of games. I grow weary hearing about "travel expense" in a sport that plays 4 or 5 road games in a regular season. Do not mention JV or 9th grade as those other activities have them as well. CrapOla FFA takes 20 some trips a year. The debate team takes several trips too, the band.... Rant over.

Travel means all the fans too. How do the fans/parents get to a game 3 hours away on a Friday night? Just hope your team wins their district games and don't go crazy.

 

[J. Kane]

 

[Bill_Shakespeare]

If you can’t win a game against schools 45 minutes from you why on earth would you want to drive three hours to lose? If anything MSHSAA’s doing you a favor

 

[JNreturns]

Yes, I am aware this has been ridden like a cheap horrific. BUT We really need to change what we do for football's version of luck of the draw that we call playoffs. Perfect example: (no offense to Warrensburg or H'ville is intended) Class 4 Warrensburg defeats Harrisonville in the district championship. These are two teams that Excelsior Springs defeated by a combined 53 points (H. 57-26 W 28-7) But ExSpgs cannot make it to the finals in their District. What we should do. teams 33-64 matchup. 33 vs 34, 35 vs 36 ......63 vs 64. Forget the bull crap about travel. Sell it as a way in which kids get to travel around our great state and maybe see some things someplace they have never seen and play someone they have never played. That would be educational correct? Expanding on students horizons? Then teams 1-32 are matched 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30 ....and the playoffs begin. Again forget the very few extra dollars in travel, think of it as part of the student-athletes education. Gas/Diesel does NOT cost all that much for 1 maybe two nights in a season. IF gas cost so dang much then limit Volleyball to 9 travel days for games, limit Basketball to 9 travel days of games, limit baseball to 6 days of games. I grow weary hearing about "travel expense" in a sport that plays 4 or 5 road games in a regular season. Do not mention JV or 9th grade as those other activities have them as well. CrapOla FFA takes 20 some trips a year. The debate team takes several trips too, the band.... Rant over.

Warrensburg would be 6th in District 8.

 

[touchdownsilly]

Anytime you hand out MSHSAA District Championship Plaques and then your in the Round of 8 at the conclusion of the tournament, then an effort needs to be made to even up the districts so you do not have teams with 3-6 records being 2 or 3 seeds and on the same note teams that our 6-3 being 5-6 seeds.

 

[Duck_walk]

Yes, I am aware this has been ridden like a cheap horrific. BUT We really need to change what we do for football's version of luck of the draw that we call playoffs. Perfect example: (no offense to Warrensburg or H'ville is intended) Class 4 Warrensburg defeats Harrisonville in the district championship. These are two teams that Excelsior Springs defeated by a combined 53 points (H. 57-26 W 28-7) But ExSpgs cannot make it to the finals in their District. What we should do. teams 33-64 matchup. 33 vs 34, 35 vs 36 ......63 vs 64. Forget the bull crap about travel. Sell it as a way in which kids get to travel around our great state and maybe see some things someplace they have never seen and play someone they have never played. That would be educational correct? Expanding on students horizons? Then teams 1-32 are matched 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30 ....and the playoffs begin. Again forget the very few extra dollars in travel, think of it as part of the student-athletes education. Gas/Diesel does NOT cost all that much for 1 maybe two nights in a season. IF gas cost so dang much then limit Volleyball to 9 travel days for games, limit Basketball to 9 travel days of games, limit baseball to 6 days of games. I grow weary hearing about "travel expense" in a sport that plays 4 or 5 road games in a regular season. Do not mention JV or 9th grade as those other activities have them as well. CrapOla FFA takes 20 some trips a year. The debate team takes several trips too, the band.... Rant over.

Just a tip for the future. If you want more people to actually read your novels, break up those huge blocks of text into something called paragraphs.

 

[HailToPitt725]

I’m a proponent of the current system because I have to think it’s the one that Mike Leach would prefer.

 

[NorthWestBleachers]

Just a tip for the future. If you want more people to actually read your novels, break up those huge blocks of text into something called paragraphs.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Yes, I am aware this has been ridden like a cheap horrific. BUT We really need to change what we do for football's version of luck of the draw that we call playoffs. Perfect example: (no offense to Warrensburg or H'ville is intended) Class 4 Warrensburg defeats Harrisonville in the district championship. These are two teams that Excelsior Springs defeated by a combined 53 points (H. 57-26 W 28-7) But ExSpgs cannot make it to the finals in their District. What we should do. teams 33-64 matchup. 33 vs 34, 35 vs 36 ......63 vs 64. Forget the bull crap about travel. Sell it as a way in which kids get to travel around our great state and maybe see some things someplace they have never seen and play someone they have never played. That would be educational correct? Expanding on students horizons? Then teams 1-32 are matched 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30 ....and the playoffs begin. Again forget the very few extra dollars in travel, think of it as part of the student-athletes education. Gas/Diesel does NOT cost all that much for 1 maybe two nights in a season. IF gas cost so dang much then limit Volleyball to 9 travel days for games, limit Basketball to 9 travel days of games, limit baseball to 6 days of games. I grow weary hearing about "travel expense" in a sport that plays 4 or 5 road games in a regular season. Do not mention JV or 9th grade as those other activities have them as well. CrapOla FFA takes 20 some trips a year. The debate team takes several trips too, the band.... Rant over.

 

[PCole]

Just a tip for the future. If you want more people to actually read your novels, break up those huge blocks of text into something called paragraphs.

As a small-town newspaper editor, part of my job is to chop up stories with long paragraphs into something more readable. Thus, I totally agree with Mr. Duck on this matter.

 

[J. Kane]

 

[J. Kane]

 

[runbillyrun]

My apologies.
Missouri playoffs prioritize "geography" over anything else. We make positive to have 1 representative from somewhere different but do not take any measure to allow the best teams advance. Yes we might get the best team, but take no measure to get the best teams. Our system cheats some teams and rewards lesser teams.

Why do we not worry about travel in Volleyball, basketball, Band, FFa, Baseball/Softball but it is the go to excuse in Football.

My suggestion, teams ranked 33-64 match and play: 33 vs 34, 35 vs 36, ....61 vs 62, 63 vs 64. They play that game and both teams are finished. While the top 32 play in a 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30. Winner advances, loser goes home. This system would reward the better team up to the point that they were no longer the better team.

You all judge the writing skills while some well deserved teams are sitting at home and teams they demolished are still playing. It REALLY cheapens the whole process. "we are district champions"

class 4 dist. 7 (on top) vs. Class 4 District 8 (listed after 4-7)
1 Warrensburg 6-3 36.72
1 Platte County 8-1 44.92
2 Van Horn 6-3 35.3
2 Smithville 8-1 47
3 Lincoln College Prep 6-3 34.9
3 Kearney 7-2 43.33
4 Grain Valley 5-4 34.44
4 Excelsior Springs 7-2 39.17 (defeated WarBurg 28-7 in Reg,.)
5 Grandview 4-5 32.64
5 Lafayette (St. Joseph) 7-2 38.78
6 Harrisonville 2-7 22.28

 

[runbillyrun]

Did someone urinate in your corn flakes ? I read with a little more interest until you mentioned "CrapOla FFA". Let us agree to differ on the merits of FFA.

Merits? What does that have to do with it. I was referencing "TRIPS" as in travel. "FFA takes 20 trips a year". Football takes maybe 8 yet we allow "travel" to excuse a good tournament.

 

[runbillyrun]

Anytime you hand out MSHSAA District Championship Plaques and then your in the Round of 8 at the conclusion of the tournament, then an effort needs to be made to even up the districts so you do not have teams with 3-6 records being 2 or 3 seeds and on the same note teams that our 6-3 being 5-6 seeds.

Thank you

 

[runbillyrun]

If you can’t win a game against schools 45 minutes from you why on earth would you want to drive three hours to lose? If anything MSHSAA’s doing you a favor

Are you kidding? Any team to defeat teams "45 minutes from you" would be defeating the class 2 and 4 State Champion and a good chance at a class 3 participant. So you statement is very ignorant. It also proves my point.

 

[runbillyrun]

I’m a proponent of the current system because I have to think it’s the one that Mike Leach would prefer.

Mike Leach is the man that told me about this system that I have suggested. 1-32 in traditional bracket, 33-64 in a "make it a close game" bracket. Coach Leach also brought up that traveling across ones own state is very educational to be aware of what is on your own state. PS: I am a yuge fan of Mike Leach and really wish he were the head Coach at the U. of Mizzou.

 

[outsideveer89]

Anytime you hand out MSHSAA District Championship Plaques and then your in the Round of 8 at the conclusion of the tournament, then an effort needs to be made to even up the districts so you do not have teams with 3-6 records being 2 or 3 seeds and on the same note teams that our 6-3 being 5-6 seeds.

Why not????it doesn’t make any difference just play the game

 

[JNreturns]

District 7 and 8 Ranking the top 5 of each. (Wins v. other district)

1. Smithville (D8). 11-1 (Beat Grandview 27-6, GV 29-0)
2. Kearney (D8) 8-3 (Beat Grandview 34-6, GV 31-7, Harrisonville 46-6)
3. Platte County (D8) 10-2 (Beat Grandview 28-19, GV 38-22)
4. Excelsior Springs (D8) 8-3 (Beat Warrensburg 28-7, HV 57-26)
5. Warrensburg 6-3 (D7)
6. Grandview 4-5 (D7)
7. Grain Valley 5-4 (D7)
8. St. Joe Lafayette (D8) 7-2
9. Harrisonville 2-7 (D7)
10 Van Horn 6-3 (D7)

Tough break...it happens in all sports in all playoff situations on occasion. You get stuck in a good division and kill each other off (like the AFC West used to) so the Buffalo Bills can feast on the weak division in the 1990s, and get an advantage. Tough break.

 

[Bill_Shakespeare]

Are you kidding? Any team to defeat teams "45 minutes from you" would be defeating the class 2 and 4 State Champion and a good chance at a class 3 participant. So you statement is very ignorant. It also proves my point.

My point was that you couldn’t beat Platte County(45 minutes from you) in class 4. If you can’t beat the schools around you in your own class do you really want to go traveling. In other words, there’s no system you can dream up where you win without beating the teams placed in front of you. So how bout ya start there

**Based on your Ex Springs example

 

[runbillyrun]

My point was that you couldn’t beat Platte County(45 minutes from you) in class 4. If you can’t beat the schools around you in your own class do you really want to go traveling. In other words, there’s no system you can dream up where you win without beating the teams placed in front of you. So how bout ya start there

**Based on your Ex Springs example

Without a doubt, I agree that teams must defeat the team(s) they face or go home. What I have been attempting to say is tI do not agree with the reasoning of travel. Most all other activities travel 2 or 3 times more than football and travel does not seem to be an issue. So, why is it an issue for football when most teams only travel 4 or 5 times in the regular season vs 12 to 15 times like most other activities?

 

[mowesten]

I’m all for it if you can explain to me who is going to seed the teams 1-64.

Professionals can’t get he NCAA men’s basketball tournament seeded to everyone’s satisfaction, and we’re taliing about a body that has immense experience, the resources to travel all of the country and watch games in person, and watch endless games on TV.

I don’t care what method you conjure up, there is no scenario in which you can seed 64 teams from all corner of the state without it ending in complete and total disaster.

Period.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Mike Leach is the man that told me about this system that I have suggested. 1-32 in traditional bracket, 33-64 in a "make it a close game" bracket. Coach Leach also brought up that traveling across ones own state is very educational to be aware of what is on your own state. PS: I am a yuge fan of Mike Leach and really wish he were the head Coach at the U. of Mizzou.

But the #1 seed has a supposed tougher opponent in #32 than 33 and 34 do. In addition, under this system, how many top 20 ranked teams will eliminate one another while those in the 30’s will advance?

 

[kaching]

Was bored so I did the bracket for this years top 32teams. Semi interesting that excelsior, Kearney and smithville would still be in the same quadrant... Warrensburg would be in same quadrant with Webb City so all would be right in the world for runbillyrun... here goes

1 ladue - 32 grand view
16 njrotc - 17 parkway north
8 micds - 25 priory
9 platte county - festus

4 camdenton - 29 grain valley
13 rolla - 20 excelsior springs
5 smithville - 28 Westminster Christian
12 Kearney - 21 marsh field

2 Webb city - 31 north county
15 rock wood summit - 18 Farmington
7 Borgia - 26 van horn
10 FZE. - 23 Warrensburg

3 west plains - 30 st. Dominic
14 Hannibal - 19 union
6 hazel wood east - 27 Lincoln prep
11 neosho - 22 Lafayette st joe

 

[JNreturns]

Just eliminate it down to a 16 team tourney, and this is bad ass. Using calpreps, not the BS Missouri scoring system:

1 Webb
16 Fort Zum East-
8 Borgia
9 Neosho

4 Smithville
13 Carl Junction
5 Camdenton
12 Excelsior Springs

2 West Plains
15 Helias
7 Platte COunty
10 MICDS

3 Ladue -
14 Warrensburg
6 Kearney
11 Hannibal-

 

[touchdownsilly]

 

[Bill_Shakespeare]

Boy that sounds like an idea that will never happen

 

[runbillyrun]

I’m all for it if you can explain to me who is going to seed the teams 1-64.

Professionals can’t get he NCAA men’s basketball tournament seeded to everyone’s satisfaction, and we’re taliing about a body that has immense experience, the resources to travel all of the country and watch games in person, and watch endless games on TV.

I don’t care what method you conjure up, there is no scenario in which you can seed 64 teams from all corner of the state without it ending in complete and total disaster.

Period.

Use the current score system for that. I agree NOTHING is perfect. All am suggesting is that we STOP using "travel" as an excuse. Then attempt to get the best 16 teams, the best 8 teams, the best 4 and so on.

 

[runbillyrun]

Was bored so I did the bracket for this years top 32teams. Semi interesting that excelsior, Kearney and smithville would still be in the same quadrant... Warrensburg would be in same quadrant with Webb City so all would be right in the world for runbillyrun... here goes
Same quadrant maybe. Is it not better to have #2 Webb playing # 4 Camdenton (assuming they earned their way) in a later round rather than an earlier round?

 

[runbillyrun]

But the #1 seed has a supposed tougher opponent in #32 than 33 and 34 do. In addition, under this system, how many top 20 ranked teams will eliminate one another while those in the 30’s will advance?

1-32 are in the tourney. 33-64 are both playing a 1 & done game.

 

[Duck_walk]

Everyone is in the tournament now. Its just not that big of a deal. The best teams win every year. No one cares who gets to chant "we're number 2". Stop. Stop it. Stop it now.

 

[runbillyrun]

Everyone is in the tournament now. Its just not that big of a deal. The best teams win every year. No one cares who gets to chant "we're number 2". Stop. Stop it. Stop it now.

That is a lot of what is wrong with society today..."NO ONE CARES UNLESS YOU ARE THE CHAMPION". So, why bother? Then we wonder why kids are the way they are, lack of work ethic, lack of caring. I mean you said it, you are champion or you don't matter. I guess maybe they are right. Makes me wonder why they list the team(s) that lost the Super Bowl/National Championship/State Championship. After all the team that lost the title is does not deserve any more recognition than the team that lost in the second round of districts.

 

[knockemofftheball]

Was bored so I did the bracket for this years top 32teams. Semi interesting that excelsior, Kearney and smithville would still be in the same quadrant... Warrensburg would be in same quadrant with Webb City so all would be right in the world for runbillyrun... here goes

1 ladue - 32 grand view
16 njrotc - 17 parkway north
8 micds - 25 priory
9 platte county - festus

4 camdenton - 29 grain valley
13 rolla - 20 excelsior springs
5 smithville - 28 Westminster Christian
12 Kearney - 21 marsh field

2 Webb city - 31 north county
15 rock wood summit - 18 Farmington
7 Borgia - 26 van horn
10 FZE. - 23 Warrensburg

3 west plains - 30 st. Dominic
14 Hannibal - 19 union
6 hazel wood east - 27 Lincoln prep
11 neosho - 22 Lafayette st joe

So Van Horn and Lincoln Prep get rewarded for playing mostly Class 2 and 3 schools?

 

[kaching]

Sorry, was just using the mshsaa points system after week 9. Unless you deduct points for playing down a class that is going to happen.

 

[mosofan]

Just eliminate it down to a 16 team tourney, and this is bad ass. Using calpreps, not the BS Missouri scoring system:

1 Webb
16 Fort Zum East-
8 Borgia
9 Neosho

4 Smithville
13 Carl Junction
5 Camdenton
12 Excelsior Springs

2 West Plains
15 Helias
7 Platte COunty
10 MICDS

3 Ladue -
14 Warrensburg
6 Kearney
11 Hannibal-

CJ #13? I love the Bulldogs, but that is totally ridiculous. Goes back to the earlier point of how do you choose the top 16 or 32. One proposed method has CJ at #13. The other leaves them out of the top 32. At least with the current method, it's decided on the field. Tough luck if you're in the same district as a powerhouse. Get better and figure out how to beat them. Even powerhouses have down years, and a team like CJ must take advantage of those chances (and haven't).