Pinkel - Drinkwitz

[Pure Swing]

Gary Pinkel's first three years with the Tigers 2001-2003.
Regular season record 17-18 with a loss in the 2003 Independence Bowl
Overall record 17-19

Eliah Drinkwitz first three years with the Tigers 2020-2022
Regular season 17-17 with two losses in Bowl games and the 2020 Music City Bowl canceled
Overall record 17-19

Pinkel's fourth year 2004, ended with a 5-6 record
Drinkwitz lost Lovett, was he mishandled? I have no idea. I guess we'll see next year if he can replace him and take Missouri to a better bowl game,
one that all the players want to play in and most importantly win.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

He can’t win the crappy bowl game. Why go to a better bowl? That was a mediocre wake forest team from a mediocre conference. 4 straight bowl losses against mediocre opponents. Jeez it’s not that much to ask.

 

[mosofan]

Lovett is in a much better place. Go Dawgs!!!

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Gary Pinkel's first three years with the Tigers 2001-2003.
Regular season record 17-18 with a loss in the 2003 Independence Bowl
Overall record 17-19

Eliah Drinkwitz first three years with the Tigers 2020-2022
Regular season 17-17 with two losses in Bowl games and the 2020 Music City Bowl canceled
Overall record 17-19

Pinkel's fourth year 2004, ended with a 5-6 record
Drinkwitz lost Lovett, was he mishandled? I have no idea. I guess we'll see next year if he can replace him and take Missouri to a better bowl game,
one that all the players want to play in and most importantly win.

Sure, they’re equals. If you just wanna be completely lazy and make a comparison and not include details. Transfer portal. SOS. # of non-con games. Taking over a team that had won 3 conf games in 2 yrs vs one that was basically .500. But sure, they have similar records after 3 years.

 

[revno]

Sure, they’re equals. If you just wanna be completely lazy and make a comparison and not include details. Transfer portal. SOS. # of non-con games. Taking over a team that had won 3 conf games in 2 yrs vs one that was basically .500. But sure, they have similar records after 3 years.

Another big detail is SEC>Big12..

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Another big detail is SEC>Big12..

But is it really?? In 2022, sure. But see, the argument isn’t that simple. The comparison is 2001 to 2003 B12 North to 2020 to 2022 SEC East. It’s not like you’re comparing the totality of the two conferences as they are present day. And, fwiw…That gets addressed in the SOS, which btw, Pinkels first three teams played a much tougher schedule.

 

[Cards1968]

I question anyone who thinks Drink is in the same stratosphere as Pinkel. Pinkel was a proven leader of a program from a lineage of success. Drink inherited a ready made team and didn't screw it up in the one season he was there before being hired here. Pinkel inherited a much worse situation in a time where quick turnarounds were far less likely. Drink has piled up several supposedly unprecedented recruiting classes and has very little to show for it except for a shiny new large contract extension. He's got 1 more year in my mind to get it right (8 wins) and with the way the schedule looks that seems very unlikely. They can't take him into the new SEC (after Texas and OU are added) with a career under .500 record in his time at Mizzou.

 

[TheRealJoey]

Go Jayhawks

 

[thetophat2021]

I question anyone who thinks Drink is in the same stratosphere as Pinkel. Pinkel was a proven leader of a program from a lineage of success. Drink inherited a ready made team and didn't screw it up in the one season he was there before being hired here. Pinkel inherited a much worse situation in a time where quick turnarounds were far less likely. Drink has piled up several supposedly unprecedented recruiting classes and has very little to show for it except for a shiny new large contract extension. He's got 1 more year in my mind to get it right (8 wins) and with the way the schedule looks that seems very unlikely. They can't take him into the new SEC (after Texas and OU are added) with a career under .500 record in his time at Mizzou.

Pinkel came from the Don James Washington Huskies staff. The Big 12, as pointed out in this thread, was way different (better) in the early 2000s than today. He had to deal with Stoops' best teams plus K-State was still a major program under Snyder and Nebraska was top 10 in 2001 in particular.

Looking back the huge key was Pinkel had a recruiting pipeline to Texas especially the DFW Metroplex (Chase Daniels was a great example). Not a Mizzou fan here but Cards and Eagles are spot on.

 

[Treadmill]

Gary Pinkel's first three years with the Tigers 2001-2003.
Regular season record 17-18 with a loss in the 2003 Independence Bowl
Overall record 17-19

Eliah Drinkwitz first three years with the Tigers 2020-2022
Regular season 17-17 with two losses in Bowl games and the 2020 Music City Bowl canceled
Overall record 17-19

Pinkel's fourth year 2004, ended with a 5-6 record
Drinkwitz lost Lovett, was he mishandled? I have no idea. I guess we'll see next year if he can replace him and take Missouri to a better bowl game,
one that all the players want to play in and most importantly win.

Pinkel took over a program that had two winning seasons over the previous 18 years. Drink inherited a program that had not had a losing season in 3 years and had been bowl eligible for 3 straight years. Over the 3 years prior to his arrival, the Tigers went 21-17, and in his 3-years since, he’s led them to a 17-19 mark.

WRT experience, Pinkel was a D1 OC for 10 years under Don James at Washington, and was a D1 Head Coach in the MAC for 10 years, winning a conference championship and two division titles with an undefeated season along the way. All of this was before he ever set foot on campus at Mizzou. Drink, on the other hand, had one year as a Head Coach, inheriting a team with 20 returning starters and then jumped to Mizzou after one season.

Drink May end up being successful at Mizzou, but in no way should he be compared to Pinkel 3 years into his tenure.