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And look at all that's left to choose from on the market...

Henderson Alvarez SP
Jorge de la Rosa SP
Doug Fister SP
Matt Harrison SP
Edwin Jackson RP / SP
Mat Latos SP
Colby Lewis SP
Tim Lincecum SP
Jonathon Niese SP
Jarrod Parker SP
Jake Peavy SP
Alfredo Simon SP
Jered Weaver SP
C.J. Wilson SP
 
Hope he comes out alright. Cards have to have him healthy to be competitive
He is getting the MRI but they think it's BAD. Sure hope Wacha and Lynn are ready to go. They not not let ANYBODY play in the WBC, not even position players.
 
He is getting the MRI but they think it's BAD. Sure hope Wacha and Lynn are ready to go. They not not let ANYBODY play in the WBC, not even position players.

The most overused man in baseball will be playing in the WBC. Mr. Molina. Confounding.
 
And look at all that's left to choose from on the market...
Jered Weaver SP
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Weeeeeeeaaaaaavvvvvveeeeeessssssss!!!

Sign him up!!! What? Wait...Wrong one?
 
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And look at all that's left to choose from on the market...

Henderson Alvarez SP
Jorge de la Rosa SP
Doug Fister SP
Matt Harrison SP
Edwin Jackson RP / SP
Mat Latos SP
Colby Lewis SP
Tim Lincecum SP
Jonathon Niese SP
Jarrod Parker SP
Jake Peavy SP
Alfredo Simon SP
Jered Weaver SP
C.J. Wilson SP
I think they pass on all of those.

Who gets more starts?
  • Wacha
  • Gonzales
  • Rosie
  • Weaver (Luke...not Jeff...unfortunately)
  • TBD acquired in trade
 
Hope he comes out alright. Cards have to have him healthy to be competitive
He's toast for this season. TJ. And I agree, hard to lose your #2 (save me the Waino/Lynn arguments) and still think you can compete with the Cubs for the division.
 
I think they pass on all of those.

Who gets more starts?
  • Wacha
  • Gonzales
  • Rosie
  • Weaver (Luke...not Jeff...unfortunately)
  • TBD acquired in trade
Wacha in the first half, and Weaver in the 2nd half...total guess, but I think Wacha holds up for 1/2 of this year.
 
Wacha in the first half, and Weaver in the 2nd half...total guess, but I think Wacha holds up for 1/2 of this year.
Ideally Wacha returns to being Wacha v. 2015. But agreed, if he can make it to the ASB that'd be great. Weaver, Mayers, Gonzales, Gant (maybe???), and Alcantara are the Memphis rotation. Just pluck the one most ready to go.
 
Best case Wacha healthy early and Reyes has to shut down but no surgery. Worst case Reyes TJ and Wacha no better than last year and Birds go through the season looking for a 5th starter.
 
Best case Wacha healthy early and Reyes has to shut down but no surgery. Worst case Reyes TJ and Wacha no better than last year and Birds go through the season looking for a 5th starter.
Rosie and Weaver (Luke...sigh) become real options then. That's a bit scary. OK, a lot scary.
 
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MO says it is TJ, but still going to get a 2nd opinion. I'll be pulling for Rosie cause it will be easier and cheaper to get a bullpen arm than a starter. Maybe Luke.
 
Ideally Wacha returns to being Wacha v. 2015. But agreed, if he can make it to the ASB that'd be great. Weaver, Mayers, Gonzales, Gant (maybe???), and Alcantara are the Memphis rotation. Just pluck the one most ready to go.

If you ever list the name Mayers in a post again, I am putting out a hit on you.
 
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If you ever list the name Mayers in a post again, I am putting out a hit on you.
Lol. Understandable, but he's not nearly as bad as that one outing would suggest. Granted, he's got to be the last of the internal options. Unless for some reason they actually think Rosie could. Then he takes that honor.
 
He's toast for this season. TJ. And I agree, hard to lose your #2 (save me the Waino/Lynn arguments) and still think you can compete with the Cubs for the division.
Bingo. Because now you're going to lean on C-mart even more....so there goes his arm. You have no idea what you are going to get out of wainwright at this stage of his career. Lynn.....mehhhh. he's a warm body,that's about it
 
Bingo. Because now you're going to lean on C-mart even more....so there goes his arm. You have no idea what you are going to get out of wainwright at this stage of his career. Lynn.....mehhhh. he's a warm body,that's about it
Lynn was awesome when he was the #4. Fresh off injury and higher expectations...and not the 2012-2014 offense either.
 
Lynn was awesome when he was the #4. Fresh off injury and higher expectations...and not the 2012-2014 offense either.
Yeah i really hate those guys that go and give 6 or 7 innings a night and win 15 games. What the heck is this crap about Lynn being a warm body? I have no idea what he'll be like this year after TJ but the dude was an innings eater and consistent winner when he was healthy.
 
Yeah i really hate those guys that go and give 6 or 7 innings a night and win 15 games. What the heck is this crap about Lynn being a warm body? I have no idea what he'll be like this year after TJ but the dude was an innings eater and consistent winner when he was healthy.
Did you read the post? I said he was great when he was the #4. And the offense was scoring runs. Now that he's obviously going to not be the #4, coming fresh off of injury, and the offense not being what it was...I could see a struggle. To forecast the 2012-2014 Lynn, or even an innings eating starter (consider fresh off of injury), would require a great deal of blind faith.
 
Just putting it out there, but Lynn is also a free agent after this year and is looking to get PAID
 
Just putting it out there, but Lynn is also a free agent after this year and is looking to get PAID
I get that, but he's also fresh off surgery and pitching against other teams #2 or #3. On a team that isn't likely to score a lot of runs. I'll set the line at 12.5 wins. Over/under?
 
I get that, but he's also fresh off surgery and pitching against other teams #2 or #3. On a team that isn't likely to score a lot of runs. I'll set the line at 12.5 wins. Over/under?
I'll take the over. He's coming off of surgery, but he threw at the tail end of last year and has been throwing without restrictions so far in camp so it'll be a normal spring for him. That's not to say they may limit his innings a bit, but I expect he'll be fine otherwise.
 
I'll take the over. He's coming off of surgery, but he threw at the tail end of last year and has been throwing without restrictions so far in camp so it'll be a normal spring for him. That's not to say they may limit his innings a bit, but I expect he'll be fine otherwise.
I'll take the under. 12 would be the number I'd give. And that's not horrible, but it's pretty average for a #2 or #3 on what you hope is a playoff contender.
 
I'll take the over and I also think the offense will be better than you think Eags and here is why. Diaz is going to compete for MVP
 
I'll take the under. 12 would be the number I'd give. And that's not horrible, but it's pretty average for a #2 or #3 on what you hope is a playoff contender.
I'm sure he'll be slotted into the #3 spot with CMart and Waino 1 and 2. I expect a bounce back year from Waino. Achilles injuries are tricky. It seemed like his stuff got better as the year went on last year. He just missed some of his locations and had some bad defense around him at times.
 
I get that, but he's also fresh off surgery and pitching against other teams #2 or #3. On a team that isn't likely to score a lot of runs. I'll set the line at 12.5 wins. Over/under?
He's at 15 months post surgery already. That suggests he may start a little slow but should be up to speed towards midyear
 
I'm sure he'll be slotted into the #3 spot with CMart and Waino 1 and 2. I expect a bounce back year from Waino. Achilles injuries are tricky. It seemed like his stuff got better as the year went on last year. He just missed some of his locations and had some bad defense around him at times.
Waino has me concerned - he's not getting any younger
 
Am I wrong. I'm pretty sure Reyes threw in winter ball. There is a reason Koufax and Gibson were able to throw so much and so often. Six months of the year they shut down, didn't throw and didn't work out nonstop. Baseball needs to study the effects of rest.
 
Am I wrong. I'm pretty sure Reyes threw in winter ball. There is a reason Koufax and Gibson were able to throw so much and so often. Six months of the year they shut down, didn't throw and didn't work out nonstop. Baseball needs to study the effects of rest.
I know since I have put a mandatory nap in my schedule I have fewer injuries.
 
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He's at 15 months post surgery already. That suggests he may start a little slow but should be up to speed towards midyear
I get all of that. But I suspect they'll be concerned with innings. Also suspect the offense won't be great. Also also suspect him going up against 2s and 3s won't help. I don't think it's disaster, just certainly don't think he's going to win much more than he loses.
 
Waino has me concerned - he's not getting any younger
Seriously. I'm not sure what goinlong saw that encouraged him (no offense dude, I dig you and your opinions). His velocity was down, location was off, and movement was flat. He'll battle, and struggle. I see much more Suppan than Carp for the end of Waino's career.
 
True, but he's smart and still has that hammer curveball he can throw from multiple angles and speeds.
Don't have to swing at it when the cutter is fat and the fastball is off the plate. Hitters just waited on him to throw a fastball or cutter last year. And most hit it hard when he did.
 
Don't have to swing at it when the cutter is fat and the fastball is off the plate. Hitters just waited on him to throw a fastball or cutter last year. And most hit it hard when he did.
I don't disagree with you one bit there. He definitely had some location issues at times last year, but I've got a hunch (and really hope it's not wrong) that he'll bounce back and have more consistent stuff. You could see it at times last year. He showed flashes of the great stuff he's had in the past. He just was nowhere consistent with it.
 
I get that, but he's also fresh off surgery and pitching against other teams #2 or #3. On a team that isn't likely to score a lot of runs. I'll set the line at 12.5 wins. Over/under?
How do you get half a win? :eek:
 
I don't disagree with you one bit there. He definitely had some location issues at times last year, but I've got a hunch (and really hope it's not wrong) that he'll bounce back and have more consistent stuff. You could see it at times last year. He showed flashes of the great stuff he's had in the past. He just was nowhere consistent with it.
I hope your hunch is on the money! Admittedly, I don't have as much faith in him.
 
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