Odessa Bulldogs!

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

Congrats to HC Mark Thomas, OC Benny Palmer (remember Benny and the Jets circa 2002-03???) and everyone associated with Odessa football........................just like Oak Grove last year you showed how good coaching and hard work can turn around a very, very down program and fast!

My goodness this year will be total overload at the Dome (thank you MSHSAA)!

 

[Fort80]

Those Kearney teams were a blast to watch. Congrats to the Odessa Bulldogs!

 

[bullitpdq68]

Not taking anything away from Thomas and Odessa, but I think the Job Kilgo did at Aurora tops what any coach did this year in any class. Aurora's head coach quit about 3 weeks before the start of the season. Many coaches were contacted and turned the job down. Kilgo steps in three or four days before the start of practice which happens to be dead week so he cannot even contact his players to let them know he is the new head coach. So the first practice is the first time those kids know him as coach. The go 4-4 in the big 8 6-4 overall and some how make it to the semifinals, and lose a close one to Odessa.

That my friends is one hell of a coaching job.

 

[Pinochet]

Not taking anything away from Thomas and Odessa, but I think the Job Kilgo did at Aurora tops what any coach did this year in any class. Aurora's head coach quit about 3 weeks before the start of the season. Many coaches were contacted and turned the job down. Kilgo steps in three or four days before the start of practice which happens to be dead week so he cannot even contact his players to let them know he is the new head coach. So the first practice is the first time those kids know him as coach. The go 4-4 in the big 8 6-4 overall and some how make it to the semifinals, and lose a close one to Odessa.

That my friends is one hell of a coaching job.

How do you know it was him, maybe the assistants did a great job and he was able to just be a figure head. He's getting a lot of praise, but I know for a fact they had a offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator so he didn't have to call anything. To me, those guys did a great job.

 

[bullitpdq68]

How do you know it was him, maybe the assistants did a great job and he was able to just be a figure head. He's getting a lot of praise, but I know for a fact they had a offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator so he didn't have to call anything. To me, those guys did a great job.

You could be right for sure. But from what I heard both of those guys were offered the head job and both turned it down for various reasons. It's easy to turn something down when things are tough and then want all the glory when it all goes good. It's another to step up and take on the challenge with things are tuff, Kilgo stepped up and put his neck on the the line did those guys? And if Kilgo let them coach isn't that what good head coaches do they take advantage of their assistants?

 

[TheDaddy]

I thought you guys were talking about Thomas

 

[Pinochet]

You could be right for sure. But from what I heard both of those guys were offered the head job and both turned it down for various reasons. It's easy to turn something down when things are tough and then want all the glory when it all goes good. It's another to step up and take on the challenge with things are tuff, Kilgo stepped up and put his neck on the the line did those guys? And if Kilgo let them coach isn't that what good head coaches do they take advantage of their assistants?

I heard the same thing about those guys turning it down. I agree that it was admirable that he stepped up and took the job when others wouldn't. I just want to know if one of these guys were to leave or retire, would he take over as a coordinator or pass it off to another assistant? I just not sure beside the media obligations during the playoffs what he actually did?

 

[bullitpdq68]

I heard the same thing about those guys turning it down. I agree that it was admirable that he stepped up and took the job when others wouldn't. I just want to know if one of these guys were to leave or retire, would he take over as a coordinator or pass it off to another assistant? I just not sure beside the media obligations during the playoffs what he actually did?

Totally agree, but weren't these also the same assistants under the old coach? And they t always seemed to under preform for the talent they had and that is just from an outsider looking in. So I would say he did something besides the media obligations.

 

[Pinochet]

Totally agree, but weren't these also the same assistants under the old coach? And they t always seemed to under preform for the talent they had and that is just from an outsider looking in. So I would say he did something besides the media obligations.

Scholten (old coach) was the offensive coordinator when they were underachieving

 

[bullitpdq68]

Scholten (old coach) was the offensive coordinator when they were underachieving

LOL I just got to ask, what did Kilgo do to you that makes it so hard to say hey good job coach...I mean okay Scholten was the OC that means that Kilgo said to the current OC hey you will be my OC and let him run with it. Is that not what good head coaches do? are you pissed at yourself for turning this job down?

 

[Big Ape Conf.]

Where was Kilgo before Aurora ?

 

[Three Cents]

Bullit,
Please put the glue sticks down before you post.
Kilgo inherited a team that was already stocked to the gills. The only change was at head coach. He kept the same playbook, assistant coaches and didn't put his stamp on the program.

He led them to a 9-5 record with losses to Monett and Cassville, teams he had no business losing to. -- see the district semifinal with Monett for proof.
He squeaked by with several wins with a team that was bigger than each Big 8 line they faced and every playoff team they entertained.

Aurora should have beat Odessa, they had a receiver drop a touchdown, and were intercepted on another goal line drive.

I was disappointed with Kilgo's maturity, especially, the fact that he went on a media campaign and blamed the officials for the loss on the [not] fumble and he didn't own his team's short comings. It wasn't the first time this season he chalked up a loss to getting screwed by the stripes.

He was at least the third choice for the job and basically got it by default.

What he walked into was hard, but not an impossible situation.
Does he deserve a chance to interview for the position? Absolutely. But the school district needs to open the job and see who else is out there.

Not taking anything away from Thomas and Odessa, but I think the Job Kilgo did at Aurora tops what any coach did this year in any class. Aurora's head coach quit about 3 weeks before the start of the season. Many coaches were contacted and turned the job down. Kilgo steps in three or four days before the start of practice which happens to be dead week so he cannot even contact his players to let them know he is the new head coach. So the first practice is the first time those kids know him as coach. The go 4-4 in the big 8 6-4 overall and some how make it to the semifinals, and lose a close one to Odessa.

That my friends is one hell of a coaching job.

 

[shoot90draw]

Bullit,
Please put the glue sticks down before you post.
Kilgo inherited a team that was already stocked to the gills. The only change was at head coach. He kept the same playbook, assistant coaches and didn't put his stamp on the program.

He led them to a 9-5 record with losses to Monett and Cassville, teams he had no business losing to. -- see the district semifinal with Monett for proof.
He squeaked by with several wins with a team that was bigger than each Big 8 line they faced and every playoff team they entertained.

Aurora should have beat Odessa, they had a receiver drop a touchdown, and were intercepted on another goal line drive.

I was disappointed with Kilgo's maturity, especially, the fact that he went on a media campaign and blamed the officials for the loss on the [not] fumble and he didn't own his team's short comings. It wasn't the first time this season he chalked up a loss to getting screwed by the stripes.

He was at least the third choice for the job and basically got it by default.

What he walked into was hard, but not an impossible situation.
Does he deserve a chance to interview for the position? Absolutely. But the school district needs to open the job and see who else is out there.

No. Aurora lost, and Odessa won. The better team won. End of story.

 

[sbdude]

He led them to a 9-5 record with losses to Monett and Cassville, teams he had no business losing to. -- see the district semifinal with Monett for proof.

I could easily say that Aurora had no business beating Monett in the District semifinal. See the regular season game for proof.

 

[Three Cents]

With the talent Aurora had, they should have steamrolled through the conference. They underachieved.
The only game, I believe, they showed their true potential was that Monett semifinal.

I could easily say that Aurora had no business beating Monett in the District semifinal. See the regular season game for proof.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Bullit,
Please put the glue sticks down before you post.
Kilgo inherited a team that was already stocked to the gills. The only change was at head coach. He kept the same playbook, assistant coaches and didn't put his stamp on the program.

He led them to a 9-5 record with losses to Monett and Cassville, teams he had no business losing to. -- see the district semifinal with Monett for proof.
He squeaked by with several wins with a team that was bigger than each Big 8 line they faced and every playoff team they entertained.

Aurora should have beat Odessa, they had a receiver drop a touchdown, and were intercepted on another goal line drive.

I was disappointed with Kilgo's maturity, especially, the fact that he went on a media campaign and blamed the officials for the loss on the [not] fumble and he didn't own his team's short comings. It wasn't the first time this season he chalked up a loss to getting screwed by the stripes.

He was at least the third choice for the job and basically got it by default.

What he walked into was hard, but not an impossible situation.
Does he deserve a chance to interview for the position? Absolutely. But the school district needs to open the job and see who else is out there.

First you point to Kilgo's maturity and you ask me to put down the glue sticks let's be real.. If you want to act like a child that is fine I will treat you like a child or we can debate this which I am more that willing to do.

Second I don't think anybody will argue that Aurora had talented or as you say stocked, but please show me where in the past that talent had lead to anything but disappointment or Semis? They always underachieved and never lived up to the lofty goals they had or others thought they could be. Pinochet said that when he was trying to hammer home his points and I agreed.

Third I pointed to his record he was 4-4 in the big 8 that is middle of the road for sure. Now you want to use the loss to Monett. First let's examine that game against Monett, Aurora going into the final drive only had amassed something like only 100 yards to Monetts 250 so Monett had clearly dominated that game up until that point, anybody at that game felt like Monett shot themselves in the foot several times, yes Aurora drove the length of the field and put themselves in a position to win a bad shotgun snap on the 2 yard line hurt themselves. But up until that drive Monett was in control of that game stats don't lie. That last drive was the only time Aurora put any drive together of any substance. But in the rematch it was not even close so it does look like Aurora made better adjustments as a whole and made better use of their talent the second time around so is that not coaching?

As for choice I don't even know if he was third he might even been farther down the list. I know several were asked twice. But he took the job when nobody else would that accounts for something. Even those so called mighty assistants would not take the job. That to me says a lot about a person as now they want the glory after the fact come on let's be real. Be like during a war when asked to serve on the front line and saying no and after the victory saying it was all because of you.

I just find it funny how when a program is down or underachieving for as long as it Aurora was and that is one thing we all agree with... and the only change was the head guy who was hired possible a week before the first practice goes in and does not mess with alot let's his assistants run things and all he does it get to the semifinals why so many are quick to dismiss what he did.

LOL This sort of reminds me of the KC Chiefs when they had John Mackovic and got to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years. Well what happened everybody said they won because of the assistant coaches so they fired Mackovic and put in Frank Gansz looked what happened.

Just stating what Aurora did with him as head coach. I don't know the man at all he might be a terrible person but hey they won this year.

 

[Missouri Kid]

How do you know it was him, maybe the assistants did a great job and he was able to just be a figure head. He's getting a lot of praise, but I know for a fact they had a offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator so he didn't have to call anything. To me, those guys did a great job.

Sometimes your best coaching job is to just stay out of the way.........and sometimes its not.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Where was Kilgo before Aurora ?

I think he was at Ozark with Greenergrass, he was not even a top assistant going into the season at Aurora from my understanding.

 

[Three Cents]

Good greif man,
You agree with me, prove my point and get hung up on a glue stick reference. That was impressive.

When Saturday Night Live began, the actors were billed as-- Not ready for primetime.

IMO, Kilgo is not ready for a HC role and he proved that to me with his maturity, or lack there of.

Yes, he stepped up, but he was over looked for several times.

As for the Monett game, it was a 7 point win, and if you want to talk about shooting themselves in the foot, how many times did Evans miss a wide open receiver in the middle of the field after the linebackers blitzed? At least three.

Furthermore, please spare us generic stats to prove your point. If you don't have concrete numbers, don't mention them.

I can make up stats all day long to prove my points, but I choose to stick with what I know., and what can be proven. Desperation is a stinky cologne my friend.
Doesn't your sports guy give you enough material.

I know more about what is happening in the Monett sporting world than at my local high school.....and No, you can't ask where that is.

First you point to Kilgo's maturity and you ask me to put down the glue sticks let's be real.. If you want to act like a child that is fine I will treat you like a child or we can debate this which I am more that willing to do.

Second I don't think anybody will argue that Aurora had talented or as you say stocked, but please show me where in the past that talent had lead to anything but disappointment or Semis? They always underachieved and never lived up to the lofty goals they had or others thought they could be. Pinochet said that when he was trying to hammer home his points and I agreed.

Third I pointed to his record he was 4-4 in the big 8 that is middle of the road for sure. Now you want to use the loss to Monett. First let's examine that game against Monett, Aurora going into the final drive only had amassed something like only 100 yards to Monetts 250 so Monett had clearly dominated that game up until that point, anybody at that game felt like Monett shot themselves in the foot several times, yes Aurora drove the length of the field and put themselves in a position to win a bad shotgun snap on the 2 yard line hurt themselves. But up until that drive Monett was in control of that game stats don't lie. That last drive was the only time Aurora put any drive together of any substance. But in the rematch it was not even close so it does look like Aurora made better adjustments as a whole and made better use of their talent the second time around so is that not coaching?

As for choice I don't even know if he was third he might even been farther down the list. I know several were asked twice. But he took the job when nobody else would that accounts for something. Even those so called mighty assistants would not take the job. That to me says a lot about a person as now they want the glory after the fact come on let's be real. Be like during a war when asked to serve on the front line and saying no and after the victory saying it was all because of you.

I just find it funny how when a program is down or underachieving for as long as it Aurora was and that is one thing we all agree with... and the only change was the head guy who was hired possible a week before the first practice goes in and does not mess with alot let's his assistants run things and all he does it get to the semifinals why so many are quick to dismiss what he did.

LOL This sort of reminds me of the KC Chiefs when they had John Mackovic and got to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years. Well what happened everybody said they won because of the assistant coaches so they fired Mackovic and put in Frank Gansz looked what happened.

Just stating what Aurora did with him as head coach. I don't know the man at all he might be a terrible person but hey they won this year.

Good gr

 

[TheDaddy]

Yeah he sucks only went to the semi's

 

[greenergrass]

IMO, Kilgo is not ready for a HC role and he proved that to me with his maturity, or lack there of.

Three Cents and Pinochet, I'm sorry you guys can not just say great job Coach and/or for the whole Aurora program. Asst and all. Bullit hit it on the HEAD. You two are either an assistant coaches or an ex. coach that could not get it done before or did not step in and take the job.. So I fell sorry for you two. The kids did a great job. I do not hear, Everyone saying how good the Webb/Lamar or any other good programs Assistant coaches are. It is their HC. But everyone knows it takes everyone.

If it was so easy, why did everyone else turn it down. WOW, be happy for them. He is a very good coach. YES,I had the privilege to coach with him. He works his BUTT OFF every week. Just like all GOOD coaches do.

Three Cents and Pinochet how many games did you watch this year. I was lucky enough to see 4-5. You could see the different in the kids and program through out the year. He lead by example, first on the field running, developed the "not sure what he calls it" Thank you line to their fans after every game win or lose. Was with the kids when they were with the band and the school song. That is setting tradition and understanding what it take to build pride in a program and a school.

NOW, for your Maturity statement, That shows your lack of understanding about fighting for your kids... Every Friday, Saturday and Sunday that happens. What was he supposed to do just say OK, you are right. NO he is going to fight for his kids and the program. SO, twist it however you want. BUT, he and all others involved did a great job. And YES HE IS THE HEAD COACH. No one else had the stones to step in and take it!!!

Congrats Kale and the other coaches and Players.

Bullit thanks for your comments you understand. You come from a great program. Good luck on the Mat this year.

 

[Three Cents]

For a coach to blame officiating is classless on any level...PERIOD.
Explain how you can look your kids in the eye and say "You did everything you could." and then say "The refs cost us this game." and know that wasn't the case (i.e. dropped touchdown pass). That is not fighting for your kids, that is making excuses. It sets the wrong example. That is what I take issue with.

Bullit, I heard you were even present for a conversation between Kilgo and the Monett coach, where he told him that the first MHS-AHS game would have been different if the officials had called it fair.

Do you even listen to the PSAs that MSHSAA has read during every district and playoff game? Officiating isn't easy, so don't blame them.

Funny how our memories get selective. My aim is not to attack a coach or another person on this board, but I will attack this false narrative that Kilgo walks on water.

Furthermore, I DID say Kilgo deserved a shot to retain the job and he does deserve credit for getting a loaded team to the semifinals, but he is far from earning the position outright.

Monett made it to the semifinals three years ago, with a lot less talent than was on this Aurora team. Seneca made it to the championship game two years ago, with a lot less talent than was on this Aurora team (Seneca essentially played just 14 players).

For the record, Rick Scholten is a coward and should have had his teaching certificate revoked for pulling out of the race as late as he did. He knew what he was doing and it was classless.

I will not blame him for taking a job that bettered his family condition, but going to work for an employer who understands coaching, I'm sure there was a better solution that the cold turkey method he used to stick it to the AHS School Board.

Not many schools were going to let a teacher out of their contract 10 days before the school year. The only ones lacking STONES are the current assistant coaches who wouldn't step to the plate. I do tip my cap to Kilgo for doing so, the third time around.

I believe it would be a mistake to simply award him the job and not open the position up to other applicants.

IMO, Kilgo is not ready for a HC role and he proved that to me with his maturity, or lack there of.

Three Cents and Pinochet, I'm sorry you guys can not just say great job Coach and/or for the whole Aurora program. Asst and all. Bullit hit it on the HEAD. You two are either an assistant coaches or an ex. coach that could not get it done before or did not step in and take the job.. So I fell sorry for you two. The kids did a great job. I do not hear, Everyone saying how good the Webb/Lamar or any other good programs Assistant coaches are. It is their HC. But everyone knows it takes everyone.

If it was so easy, why did everyone else turn it down. WOW, be happy for them. He is a very good coach. YES,I had the privilege to coach with him. He works his BUTT OFF every week. Just like all GOOD coaches do.

Three Cents and Pinochet how many games did you watch this year. I was lucky enough to see 4-5. You could see the different in the kids and program through out the year. He lead by example, first on the field running, developed the "not sure what he calls it" Thank you line to their fans after every game win or lose. Was with the kids when they were with the band and the school song. That is setting tradition and understanding what it take to build pride in a program and a school.

NOW, for your Maturity statement, That shows your lack of understanding about fighting for your kids... Every Friday, Saturday and Sunday that happens. What was he supposed to do just say OK, you are right. NO he is going to fight for his kids and the program. SO, twist it however you want. BUT, he and all others involved did a great job. And YES HE IS THE HEAD COACH. No one else had the stones to step in and take it!!!

Congrats Kale and the other coaches and Players.

Bullit thanks for your comments you understand. You come from a great program. Good luck on the Mat this year.

 

[JoeyNorthlandoKCMO]

Hmmm, lets see:
2015: 9-5
2014: 6-5
2013: 6-6

 

[greenergrass]

You had some good points Three cents.

But I do not think anyone said Kilgo walks on water. He, his players and staff did a great job this year. That is what started all this with Bullit. I believe? Odessa's staff built a great team also in a short amount of time. My Hat goes off to them also.

Aurora did loose one heck of a RB during the Mt Vernon game. and still did what they did with a Fullback. which ran hard, just was not their best RB.

Anyway good luck to everyone this week and everyone that is driving anywhere. Drive safe.

 

[greenergrass]

Hmmm, lets see:
2015: 9-5
2014: 6-5
2013: 6-6

This shows how GOOD the Big 8 is. I think this year is the only year a 4-5 (sorry can not remember) time state champ won their Conference. and the Big 8 has someone in the Semis or Championship in Class 3 almost every year. For the last 10-15 years. or at least a high %.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Okay 3cents, this has been fun, but cannot say it has been real fun. I do agree with some of your points because I made them first. Did I get hung up on the glue stick remark? Highly unlikely just pointing out that you wanted to argue about another man’s maturity level in crayon.

I am not going to down the road you want me to and argue about another man’s maturity level, that is not what this debate is about. I thought we were talking about the job the man did on the football field not the crying he may or may not have done off of it. I personally don't know the man and have never talked to him.

Generic stats LOL you obviously think you know me or do know me, but you only think you know me. Those are not some arbitrary stats I made up those are the stats within in a few yards at that point in the game. No I am not going to go into my basement and pull the play by play radio call sheet and get within a Gnats @SS just to satisfy you. And I don’t need the sports guys numbers he does not keep states during the games he gets all his stats from the same place I do. Ask him he will tell you and you can go pull the stats for yourself.

I am sure you know what desperation smells like, so I will take your word on that.

I know you are hung up on him blaming the officiating for loss, and I figure by your tone that you are still fairly young and naïve in the way this old world works. But I will tell you I have been around a long time, been a long time Monett supporter and fan, and I know how this works, been on many sidelines and courtside and have heard several coaches blame officiating, the way the playoffs work, and having to play a team twice for a loss. Just the way this old world works.. it happens after a tuff loss I don’t think any less of a coach because of it I just understand that sometimes you are butt hurt and may say something because of it.

Again I may or may not have been present at some conversations but an old coach one time told me, If you want to be in the know you have to be able to keep the known to yourself. So I am not going to spout off anything that I might or might not have been privileged too and that had nothing to do with the product on the field. But If what you say really took place then it takes stones (your words) to tell another head coach hey we lost because of officiating so just wait till next time we meet and then backs it up. Hey I even heard he mailed himself a purple seat cushion as even more motivation for his dawgs. I sit back and think crap how did he even think of doing that.

I am not going to argue about the talent on the field, as I have seen many talented teams over the years left on the sideline. I think Monett had some outstanding players this year and I think our coaches are top notch. If you think you know me then you know that I have known most of those kids since they were in 3rd grade and they are some great kids who did some great things this year more than what a few people thought they would.

As for what Aurora does with their head coach I don’t really care they can go out and hire a new guy, they can fire the current guy, in the end it is just Aurora who personally I detest. I was not debating on whether they should offer him a contract or whatever I was just simply trying to say he did a good job under xterm circumstances that nobody else clearly wanted even with all the talent Aurora supposedly had, that has to make you pause for a minute and think with all the good coaches names that came up for this job why did nobody else step up and take the job.

You know who Kilgo reminds me of...HW an old Aurora head coach who also did not get a lot of credit for the wins he produced on the field until he was gone.

 

[golfindude]

Well lets see, these young men actually improved as they moved into their senior year, hence the improved record. . Scholton ran a run first, ground it out offense. When Kilgo took over, The coaching staff changed the offense to match the personal. Shotgun, More passing. Kilgo had a week to do that, hence the slow start to the season. Aurora lost their best RB at mid season. The first Monett game was lost per a quick whistle that negated the winning TD. Monett people I know saw it the same way . A quick whistle also negated a 4th quarter TD against Odessa. I imagine any coach would be upset at the moment. There were some things said by one official that should have never been said . That didn't help. Now Aurora had several chances inside the 20 to score but could not. Good defense by Odessa. I believe if these teams played 10 times, they would each win 5. BUT, Odessa was the better team Saturday , per the way it played out on the field. Credit to Odessa for being good and credit to Coach Kilgo and his assistants for stepping up and doing what he did to help these kids have a good season. Isn't that what it's about ?

 

[bullitpdq68]

You had some good points Three cents.

But I do not think anyone said Kilgo walks on water. He, his players and staff did a great job this year. That is what started all this with Bullit. I believe? Odessa's staff built a great team also in a short amount of time. My Hat goes off to them also.

Aurora did loose one heck of a RB during the Mt Vernon game. and still did what they did with a Fullback. which ran hard, just was not their best RB.

Anyway good luck to everyone this week and everyone that is driving anywhere. Drive safe.

Hey Greenergrass, pretty much all I was trying to do was give props to Kilgo and the Aurora staff and kids.

Now I do wish they would not have beaten Monett to do it....

 

[shoot90draw]

I do believe this is an ODESSA BULLDOGS thread not an Aurora Hound Dawgs thread.....go find your own thread

 

[Three Cents]

Would you be willing to come over to my house for my weekly poker tournament?

I figure you'll fold just as much as you did in this post.

Go Wildcats!

Okay 3cents, this has been fun, but cannot say it has been real fun. I do agree with some of your points because I made them first. Did I get hung up on the glue stick remark? Highly unlikely just pointing out that you wanted to argue about another man’s maturity level in crayon.

I am not going to down the road you want me to and argue about another man’s maturity level, that is not what this debate is about. I thought we were talking about the job the man did on the football field not the crying he may or may not have done off of it. I personally don't know the man and have never talked to him.

Generic stats LOL you obviously think you know me or do know me, but you only think you know me. Those are not some arbitrary stats I made up those are the stats within in a few yards at that point in the game. No I am not going to go into my basement and pull the play by play radio call sheet and get within a Gnats @SS just to satisfy you. And I don’t need the sports guys numbers he does not keep states during the games he gets all his stats from the same place I do. Ask him he will tell you and you can go pull the stats for yourself.

I am sure you know what desperation smells like, so I will take your word on that.

I know you are hung up on him blaming the officiating for loss, and I figure by your tone that you are still fairly young and naïve in the way this old world works. But I will tell you I have been around a long time, been a long time Monett supporter and fan, and I know how this works, been on many sidelines and courtside and have heard several coaches blame officiating, the way the playoffs work, and having to play a team twice for a loss. Just the way this old world works.. it happens after a tuff loss I don’t think any less of a coach because of it I just understand that sometimes you are butt hurt and may say something because of it.

Again I may or may not have been present at some conversations but an old coach one time told me, If you want to be in the know you have to be able to keep the known to yourself. So I am not going to spout off anything that I might or might not have been privileged too and that had nothing to do with the product on the field. But If what you say really took place then it takes stones (your words) to tell another head coach hey we lost because of officiating so just wait till next time we meet and then backs it up. Hey I even heard he mailed himself a purple seat cushion as even more motivation for his dawgs. I sit back and think crap how did he even think of doing that.

I am not going to argue about the talent on the field, as I have seen many talented teams over the years left on the sideline. I think Monett had some outstanding players this year and I think our coaches are top notch. If you think you know me then you know that I have known most of those kids since they were in 3rd grade and they are some great kids who did some great things this year more than what a few people thought they would.

As for what Aurora does with their head coach I don’t really care they can go out and hire a new guy, they can fire the current guy, in the end it is just Aurora who personally I detest. I was not debating on whether they should offer him a contract or whatever I was just simply trying to say he did a good job under xterm circumstances that nobody else clearly wanted even with all the talent Aurora supposedly had, that has to make you pause for a minute and think with all the good coaches names that came up for this job why did nobody else step up and take the job.

You know who Kilgo reminds me of...HW an old Aurora head coach who also did not get a lot of credit for the wins he produced on the field until he was gone.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Would you be willing to come over to my house for my weekly poker tournament?

I figure you'll fold just as much as you did in this post.

Go Wildcats!

oh bother...

 

[Three Cents]

*brother

oh bother...

 

[2.5 cents]

Scholten was the reason the Dawgs under achieved the last few years and the reason they lost to Cassville this year...good Lord he left them without a coach until school started! The assistant coaches who turned down the job are good, loyal men who coach their asses off and have for many years. When you mouth them you sound like an idiot who just has an axe to grind. Also...If you can't understand how Coach Kilgo was upset when he talked to the media after the semifinal game then you don't know the whole story. That officiating crew mouthed the Aurora staff in a terribly unprofessionally way...and they made a bad call. Bad calls happen, but the official on the Aurora sideline should be excluded from officiating HS or any game ever again for what he said. If Three Cents was a competitor he would understand what was going through the coaches head after the game. Sounds like Three Cents has an axe to grind and is the one who needs to grow up a bit.

 

[MOpossum]

It doesn't make any difference how Kilgo did at Aurora. They aren't going to State and the original post was congratulating Coach Thomas and the Odessa Bulldogs. Go Bulldogs.

 

[stargroup]

2.5 cents said: "Scholten was the reason the Dawgs...lost to Cassville this year."

That's odd. Were you there, 2.5 cents? I was at that game on the sideline...watched every play. Both teams played hard in that game (considering it was a Week 1 outing) and both teams wanted to win very much. But, it looked like to me, to all the fans (Cassville and Aurora), to the refs, to the coaches, to the players, to the radio jockeys, and to just about anyone else that was in the Cassville stadium that the Dawgs lost to Cassville because Cassville just slightly outplayed Aurora enough to get the win. Yes, it was close (21-20) but Cassville outplayed Aurora and got the win in the books. No one from Aurora moaned or whined that they lost because of a gone coach. They said, "Good game!" and then planning for Week 2. They didn't make excuses for not winning that night.

 

[2.5 cents]

2.5 cents said: "Scholten was the reason the Dawgs...lost to Cassville this year."

Yeah, I was there and you're right, it was a great game. My point in saying that Scholten cost Aurora that game is this...the new coach, even though he'd been around the kids during the summer, only had two weeks to put his stamp on the team. Aurora's offense changed a lot during the season. They improved each week under a staff that was no longer being constrained. The Aurora team Cassville saw in week one didn't exist a couple of weeks later. Week one, Aurora was still Scholten's team. That's my point, agree or disagree its just my opinion. I watched this senior class play since they were little kids. They excelled through junior high. The first three years of their high school career they underachieved...this year, once they got out of Scholtens system, they excelled again. I wish Scholten would have left years ago.

 

[stargroup]

Fair enough...I can accept that. And, I agree that Aurora matured nicely as the season progressed. Glad to see them make it to the semi. That enthusiasm will carry over into next year, especially with your QB at the helm. That kid is good! Was a pleasure to watch him on the field.

 

[2.5 cents]

Their sophomore and freshman classes has some players and Evans will have some targets to throw to, but some kids are going to have to get big fast or he'll be running for his life next year

 

[Three Cents]

One day, your opinions might carry weight, but not on this day.

To blame officiating as the reason for your team's shortcomings is not leadership, it is the tool of inexperience.

Scholten was the reason the Dawgs under achieved the last few years and the reason they lost to Cassville this year...good Lord he left them without a coach until school started! The assistant coaches who turned down the job are good, loyal men who coach their asses off and have for many years. When you mouth them you sound like an idiot who just has an axe to grind. Also...If you can't understand how Coach Kilgo was upset when he talked to the media after the semifinal game then you don't know the whole story. That officiating crew mouthed the Aurora staff in a terribly unprofessionally way...and they made a bad call. Bad calls happen, but the official on the Aurora sideline should be excluded from officiating HS or any game ever again for what he said. If Three Cents was a competitor he would understand what was going through the coaches head after the game. Sounds like Three Cents has an axe to grind and is the one who needs to grow up a bit.

 

[2.5 cents]

One day, your opinions might carry weight, but not on this day.

To blame officiating as the reason for your team's shortcomings is not leadership, it is the tool of inexperience.

OK dude...thanks for clarifying. I didn't know where you stood on that issue