Obama gives 46 Drug Dealers Get Out of Jail Free Cards

[Stevedangos]

Nothing like turning drug dealers back out on the streets to peddle their crap to our kids.

if numbers hold true 35-40 of these guys will be busted and back in prison within three years.

Someone must of locked up the Choom gangs supplier !!!

 

[Duck_walk]

So these were all drug DEALERS? LINK PLEASE

 

[Neutron Monster]

Locking up nonviolent, street-level drug dealers for decades is generally stupid policy.

We're not talking about gang leaders or major players, we're talking about random guys who got 20 years to life for dealing crack. what a waste of our tax dollars.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Nothing like turning drug dealers back out on the streets to peddle their crap to our kids.

if numbers hold true 35-40 of these guys will be busted and back in prison within three years.

Someone must of locked up the Choom gangs supplier !!![/QUOTES]

The war on drugs is as dumb as the war on terror.

NO conservative can support this infringement on persons rights. Funny how you republiberalcans don't get that. You say you want freedom except in the stuff you wanna stick your nose in.

We've wasted lots of lives and treasure on this farce. GOP is good at that (Other peoples lives and treasure of course)

 

[Wildcat98]

Nothing like turning drug dealers back out on the streets to peddle their crap to our kids.

if numbers hold true 35-40 of these guys will be busted and back in prison within three years.

Someone must of locked up the Choom gangs supplier !!!

You and Miller are a perfect example of representation of your party.

 

[MOpossum]

These guys will all move to Colorado. Just wait till Obama's last day in office. His hand will have a cramp in it from signing off setting criminals free. And if Gitmo hasn't closed by then it will that day.

 

[3Rfan]

These guys will all move to Colorado. Just wait till Obama's last day in office. His hand will have a cramp in it from signing off setting criminals free. And if Gitmo hasn't closed by then it will that day.

Pretty sure he can't do that with the stroke of a pen. Congress has a say in that and they have no clue what to about the folks left there so they just do nothing. Our prisons in country are pretty expensive but Gitmo is a ridiculous cost for very few guys.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I would bet a lot of money against gitmo having zero inmates come January 20, 2017. They just don't know what to do with a few dozen of them who are there. They can't be released or convicted in court.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Further this whole thread is an example of republicans loving big govt.

 

[ag-man]

Further this whole thread is an example of republicans loving big govt.

Republicans wanting criminals to be in jail is an example of them wanting big government ??

 

[vbsideout]

You do understand all Pres. do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[Neutron Monster]

Republicans wanting criminals to be in jail is an example of them wanting big government ??

Who runs the jails? How are they funded?

Your question is exactly what Veer is talking about all the time - government is "bad" to Republicans until it's something they like, in which case they want massive quantities of it.

Prisons are the military of our state governments...Republicans love them and will spend absurd amounts of money on them even when they don't make sense.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Republicans wanting criminals to be in jail is an example of them wanting big government ??

 

[3Rfan]

Republicans wanting criminals to be in jail is an example of them wanting big government ??

They could be in jail here in this country for a LOT less money than it costs to keep them in Gitmo.

 

[Neutron Monster]

They could be in jail here in this country for a LOT less money than it costs to keep them in Gitmo.

habeas corpus tho

 

[ag-man]

Who runs the jails? How are they funded?

Your question is exactly what Veer is talking about all the time - government is "bad" to Republicans until it's something they like, in which case they want massive quantities of it.

Prisons are the military of our state governments...Republicans love them and will spend absurd amounts of money on them even when they don't make sense.

So your answer is no prison for criminals ?

 

[ag-man]

Why do I even respond to your drivel? You and intelligence are antonyms.
Have I not took you to the woodshed enough lately?

I will listen to NM, because he is smarter than I, you, not so much.

 

[Neutron Monster]

So your answer is no prison for criminals ?

My answer is a middle ground.

Generally, Obama is doing the right thing here - locking up nonviolent offenders for 20+ years for selling drugs is an extraordinary waste of government resources.

Further, these offenders would have been sentenced to shorter periods of time under current law. Congress acted to fix the mandatory minimum law here. But, it couldn't go back in time and release people convicted under the old law. Obama is fixing that.

Overall, we incarcerate too many people for too long. It's politically popular but not really as effective as we think at reducing crime. A lot of marginal offenders would be better served with alternative programs.

I can tell you, I have no idea what the right answer is in many cases, but I feel pretty confident that locking up a drug addict for a decade isn't very productive. The person has a problem that isn't addressed in that setting. Paying $30k for them to be babysat in a place with continued access to drugs is not very good policy.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Why do I even respond to your drivel? You and intelligence are antonyms.
Have I not took you to the woodshed enough lately?

I will listen to NM, because he is smarter than I, you, not so much.

Keep dreaming.
People do read your posts. The only person you're fooling might be yourself.

For example you thought that maybe GOPers talking big on crime and locking up offenders ISN'T BIG GOVERNMENT.

Only a fool doesn't understand how much money flows through the criminal justice system and it's all gubmint money.

Big government.

You're welcome for the lesson.

 

[Stevedangos]

You do understand all Pres. do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Bush did a total of 11 and CLinton less than 20 both in eight years

Obama has turned lose almost 100 in six years.

 

[Wildcat98]

Bush did a total of 11 and CLinton less than 20 both in eight years

Obama has turned lose almost 100 in six years.

So it is ok to use Bush when we want to compare things. I thought that was a no-no.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Bush did a total of 11 and CLinton less than 20 both in eight years

Obama has turned lose almost 100 in six years.

In a country with 2.4 million people in jail, that's rounding error.

Again, these people would generally have been out of jail under current Federal sentencing guidelines. He's fixing an inequity that existed in the law at the time many of these individuals were sentenced, saving the taxpayers tens of thousands per year by releasing nonviolent offenders.

 

[millerbleach]

So it is ok to use Bush when we want to compare things. I thought that was a no-no.

In response to a post about ALL Presidents doing it, he cited the two most recent. Seemed like a pretty relevant post. Your response though, not so much.

 

[Black&Gold82]

In a country with 2.4 million people in jail, that's rounding error.

Again, these people would generally have been out of jail under current Federal sentencing guidelines. He's fixing an inequity that existed in the law at the time many of these individuals were sentenced, saving the taxpayers tens of thousands per year by releasing nonviolent offenders.

Non-violent? Weren't some of them carrying weapons when they committed the crimes? Regardless if they used them.

 

[JakeFrmStateFarm]

Non-violent? Weren't some of them carrying weapons when they committed the crimes? Regardless if they used them.

Guns dont kill people?

 

[vbsideout]

In response to a post about ALL Presidents doing it, he cited the two most recent. Seemed like a pretty relevant post. Your response though, not so much.

I said all pres and did not mention any 2 in particular

 

[Black&Gold82]

Guns dont kill people?

Of course they don't. The people that use them in a crime do.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Non-violent? Weren't some of them carrying weapons when they committed the crimes? Regardless if they used them.

Carrying a gun while dealing drugs is very different from using a weapon in the commission of a crime like a robbery.

I think the law can and should see a distinction in that.

 

[Stevedangos]

Thats freaking priceless

So its OK for drug dealers to carry guns when they are dealing drugs,,,but when they start popping caps on each other and innocent people get killed your solution is to take Law abiding citizens guns away??

 

[Neutron Monster]

Thats freaking priceless

So its OK for drug dealers to carry guns when they are dealing drugs,,,but when they start popping caps on each other and innocent people get killed your solution is to take Law abiding citizens guns away??

Nuance is permanently lost on you i see.

My point is they use the gun laws that were meant to go after people who actually used guns to commit violent crimes to turn a two year prison sentence for dealing drugs into a five or ten year sentence. It's not the point of the laws nor is it smart policy.

And guess what if you didn't want them to have guns...not having flooded the country with guns would have been a much smarter policy.

 

[millerbleach]

I said all pres and did not mention any 2 in particular

OK, how many convicted drug dealers have been pardoned by ALL previous Presidents combined? Or, if you wish, the last 2.

 

[Neutron Monster]

OK, how many convicted drug dealers have been pardoned by ALL previous Presidents combined? Or, if you wish, the last 2.

Why is that meaningful? It's not.

His actions stand on their own, good or bad.

 

[millerbleach]

Why is that meaningful? It's not.

His actions stand on their own, good or bad.

Ask him. He's the one saying ALL Presidents do it.

 

[vbsideout]

You win I'm not looking stuff up for you

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Ask him. He's the one saying ALL Presidents do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush#Pardons

 

[Wildcat98]

Bush did a total of 11 and CLinton less than 20 both in eight years

Obama has turned lose almost 100 in six years.

Total of 11???????? Are you stupid? No wait, wrong question, why are you so stupid?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Total of 11???????? Are you stupid? No wait, wrong question, why are you so stupid?

it's amazing how the shrubbies have a complete and utter disregard of reality.

 

[vbsideout]

That is why I did not reply

 

[millerbleach]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush#Pardons

When did I say pardons were a bad thing? Who you pardon and why determines if you pardon wisely.

Where are al these posts of mine making me a "Bushie"? I've said repeatedly Bush was not a conservative and not a very good President. He was still much better than Obama (pretty low standard to judge by).

 

[Stevedangos]

Total of 11???????? Are you stupid? No wait, wrong question, why are you so stupid?

Bush pardoned 189 people who had already served their sentence ....he Commuted the sentence of only 11 people and freed them from jail.

I may be stupid but I can read