I think if you look across the state you will see that. Webb City, Blair Oaks, Hannibal, Monroe City, and Macon, among others have very strong youth programs. Others, like CBC and Pattonville, get a lot of kids out of the JFL and Gateway league as well
no tackle football until 12
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Oh everything is fine then. Let em bash boys. Win at all cost?
I think I will side with actual brain surgeons on this one.
Yeah, okay...
Thats funny. Not sure what it has to do with the topic. But damn funny.
“In the study, researchers examined the brains of 202 deceased former football players at all levels. Nearly 88 percent of all the brains, 177, had CTE. Three of 14 who had played only in high school had CTE, 48 of 53 college players, 9 of 14 semiprofessional players, and 7 of 8 Canadian Football League players. CTE was not found in the brains of two who played football before high school.”cte study
I let my son play youth football, but I have to be honest I have worries. Everyone always points out the lack of concussions and big hits in youth football, but if your son had a football helmet on and was just knocking his head against a wall for a couple of hours a day. Would you stop him or let him continue. Granted he's not hitting it hard enough to get a concussion, but would you be worried that those hits eventually add up. My point is, is it the big hits that 'ring your bell' or is it all the subtle hits. I know that we teach heads up tacking. Get in a best on best drill and what hits first? Face mask to face mask and crown of helmet.
That's my worry. I also have to say that I have coached all 3 sports and tackle football is the first chance that many of the bigger non athletic kids get a chance to really be a stud. From flag football, basketball or baseball. The better athletes have a huge advantage. Tackle football allows the bigger kid who isn't as fast or athletic to really compete with the more athletic kids who aren't as big. That does have merit from an overall perspective.
That's my worry. I also have to say that I have coached all 3 sports and tackle football is the first chance that many of the bigger non athletic kids get a chance to really be a stud. From flag football, basketball or baseball. The better athletes have a huge advantage. Tackle football allows the bigger kid who isn't as fast or athletic to really compete with the more athletic kids who aren't as big. That does have merit from an overall perspective.
Your point is exactly what the doctors have said. It is the repeated contact over and over in practice, not necessarily huge hits that are the issue. Mike Webster never ran down on a kickoff and speared anyone. It was repeated moderate contact on the LOS. My son played flag football. He loved it. They ran our high schools offensive system. No one gave up on football before their growing spurt and we had a nice group play grades 7-12 full contact.
What good is flag football as far as injuries when every kid on the field is smacking each other with no protection?? Half the time they don't pull the flag until the kid is on the ground. Linemen and everyone else are banging bare heads all the time
Yeah well the study I posted stats differently. Simple fact is kids that young just do not hit hard enough. CTE is not an issue before High school and even after HS it is mild and more than 75% show zero signs. you can state "doctors say" all you want. Actual facts and research do no support your opinion. My young son had Autism. He will never get to play in middle school and beyond. Even he know this as he has told me this. Football has been one of the best things that has ever happened to him. He feels like he is part of something and the other kids love having him on the team. Most importantly he gets to play. He is a completely different kid since he starting playing 2 years ago. And yes it does absolutely piss me off that people want to take that away from him. You don't want yours to play, that's fine. When it comes to my kids, shut your mouth and mind your own business. You and your agenda do not know what is best for my child. I do.
Isn't this making the case for the hits add up over time and not the nature of the hit. The longer a player plays the more hits he takes. What you are citing could also prove a point that the number of hits matter. How much and how long a player plays looks to me like has a lot to do with it.
In 2010 in the U.S., 800 bicyclists were killed and an estimated 515,000 sustained bicycle-related injuries that required emergency department care. Roughly half of these cyclists were children and adolescents under the age of 20 Annually, 26,000 of these bicycle-related injuries to children and adolescents are traumatic brain injuries treated in emergency departments.
Time to ban bicycles.
We won't go into illness and death created by heart disease and over-eating, because some Dbag would want to ban forks also.
Time to ban bicycles.
We won't go into illness and death created by heart disease and over-eating, because some Dbag would want to ban forks also.
No they aren't. It was very rare. When you dont have on a helmet you dont do as many stupid things.
John Madden, himself has stated publicly that the NFL may need to stop using helmets.
Well I think it pretty obvious you are going to ignore facts. “Hits over time” is simply bull shit. There is a reason over 50% of college athlete and 98% have CTE(atleast the brains studied). ITS THE LEVEL OF PLAY!! Did you even read the report? 3 of 14 brains at mild to moderate CTE from guys that played through Highschool. 0 of 2 that quit before Highschool.
My kid came out of his flag football league with enhanced love of the game, an introduction to his school's offensive system, and advanced technique.
And didnt have to bash his brain at 10 years old. Try it and keep a clean conscience.
People can say what they want. CTE is not relevant or any other injury than any other sport. Stats from insurance companies prove that. New studies are proving that. Posting people’s OPINIONS does not make your OPINIONS stronger
My son will not be playing tackle football at that age. No way. And those of you trying to rationalize it with other accidents such as riding a bike or soccer are missing the point. I never remember hitting my head once playing soccer as a kid. But you hit your head on the line almost every play, do you see the difference? There is no need for tackle football at that age.
As far as quitting before high school, 2 is not an adequate sample size to state any "facts" on.
its all just opinion anyway,,,to have a scientific study you would need control group of the same age and number of people who NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL to scientifically determine if football at any level contributed to brain injuries. It would take 30-40 years to do a real conclusive study
On average, wouldn't it be a fact that a HS player has taken more hits than a youth player? Wouldn't it be a fact that a college player has taken more hits than a HS player? Wouldn't it be a fact that a pro player has taken more hits than a college player?
Who is ignoring facts again??
Like I said I'm letting my son play youth football. I see merit in it. I also have concerns because I have read a lot of facts that tend to point in a given direction that the longer he plays the more he is at risk. Yes that is true in all sports. Yes all sports are dangerous. Yes crossing the street is dangerous. The most important part of you body is your mind. it will serve you long after football and all other sports are gone. No doubt it's a risk reward situation and like I said I'm letting my son play. Anyone who doesn't at least consider the dangers is ignoring the facts. The other fact is, if we continue to ignore the possibility of it being dangerous then the sport is in real trouble. Almost everyone I have talked to in youth football agrees that numbers are declining at a rapid pace. That will make its way to all levels of football. I would say all options are on the table with the exception of going down the same road we are on.
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