No mas Wes Clark...
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Well it is more bad press for Missouri but they weren't going to the tourney this year anyway and probably aren't going to next year either so it is just one more scholarship they have to give. So it really comes down to what they do with it.
Needless to say I'm not a Missouri fan but probably better for them than keeping the guy around for his senior year. He was the second leading scorer but he would have barely seen the floor on most Missouri teams prior to the last few years.
Needless to say I'm not a Missouri fan but probably better for them than keeping the guy around for his senior year. He was the second leading scorer but he would have barely seen the floor on most Missouri teams prior to the last few years.
And yet they beat the number 3 team in the SEC and only team with more then 20 wins with a gritty hard fought effort. Addition by subtraction possibly?? It's slowly starting to look like what I expected a Kim Anderson team to look like. Tough, hard nosed, unselfish effort. There was a little bit of Norm in that game last night. It may all go to pot in the next road game but the last couple games have looked like they're finally starting down the right path. Hopefully it continues.
I didn't watch the game but it could also be true that South Carolina after 2-3 pretty big wins did not bring their "A" game and winning on the road can always be tough.
There is no doubt that Missouri is playing better than they did a month ago.
They got absolutely drilled by UK Saturday. Had every reason to look for a bounce back game. That theory doesn't hold water at all. And I'm not even an MU honk/fan.
Most teams probably aren't prepping as hard for the Tigers, and they are taking advantage of it.
Now E B, I know that you have been around long enough to have seen a team get their dobbers knocked in the dirt. And yes, sometimes you get the bounce back but sometimes you get the continued downward spiral. Its like their team psyche has been damaged by the collective realization that "we aren't as good as we thought we were" and road games are especially problematic when trying to stop the spiral. Plus, I thought we played well at their place back in January so it could just be the matchup. Just my $.02.
Not sure what you mean by that. I agree with what you're saying. And I completely think that's the case with SC Lite. I was never sold on them being a legitimate SEC contender. They're certainly getting better every year, but benefited by some great scheduling too. What I said was in response to RHCF saying that SC Lite was flying high after a couple big wins, which in fact, wasn't the case. They got hammered Saturday.
In their defense, they had 72+ hours to sober up after getting hammered Saturday.
You are right. I forgot about the Kentucky beatdown. More accurate is flying high after a couple big wins and then brought crashing back to earth by Kentucky. Either way it comes across as a trap game. I didn't see the game though so maybe Missouri just played real well.
I didn't either. Set the DVR and didn't realize it didn't record because of some other stuff I set to record. I've suffered through watching almost all their beatdowns...and don't get that one recorded. LOL. But looking at the box, they didn't shoot it well at all. SC Lite shot it even worse. And from what a buddy told me, MU was in a 2-3 a good bit of the game. Not sure what it means, but it's still nice to see them get a W.
USC played like crap. Watched the game from beginning to end. Mizzou took advantage of a down performance. Good for them. This season is still going to go down as one of the worst 5 seasons in modern Mizzou basketball and we will have the joy of watching KA look, as the Donald would say, "low energy" on the bench as Mizzou wins 10 games again. Of course, Mizzou should send Anderson on his merry way this year to go find another D2 coaching job, but this administration is too spineless to do anything at this point. So, we get to watch another dismal season with no prospects for improvement. Wouldn't be a Kim Anderson coached team if it was any other way.
He wasn't academically ineligible per NCAA rules, so it was unquestionably someone in the athletic department's call.
The line was, "failure to meet academic expectations". No longer in the know but the athletic department used to have what they called the total person program which required no unexcused absences from class, a certain number of hours of "study hall" or "tutoring sessions", etc. Could be he wasn't doing what was required to remain in good standing. Pure speculation on my part.
Feej...is that you?Hm, another drubbing on the road. Kim Anderson had not beating a team not named chaminade on the road in two years.
Some of you have no business talking about basketball. Down playing the win against South Carolina shows your lack of basketball IQ. Mizzou is playing better. Another sign of lack of basketball IQ is not being intelligent enough to recognize the obvious restrictions placed on Anderson from a roster standpoint. There was minimal talent on the team he inherited. He's had one recruiting class. You can't count the first one unless you're just plain dumb. Mizzou even showed improvement in their loss at Arkansas on Saturday.
Well, only being down 17 in the second half is improvement from being down 20-25, like Mizzou earlier in the season. So you got me there.
As far as his recruiting, let's just give you the premise that he had to take everyone he did take in his first recruiting class. In his second recruiting class, who is that high level first team SEC player that's moving us in the direction of the tournament. If it's not in that recruiting class, who's the player in the upcoming class that's that high level guy.
I'll hang up and let you drop some basketball IQ on my little brain.
As far as his recruiting, let's just give you the premise that he had to take everyone he did take in his first recruiting class. In his second recruiting class, who is that high level first team SEC player that's moving us in the direction of the tournament. If it's not in that recruiting class, who's the player in the upcoming class that's that high level guy.
I'll hang up and let you drop some basketball IQ on my little brain.
I know not directed at me...I'll be the first to admit, I'm skeptical of the ability to recruit. However, I don't think their approach is to consistently pursue the 4/5* guys. They'll try to compete with 2/3* star upperclassmen and the occasional 4/5* guy. Not sure it can work, but I think that's what they're trying to do. That said, Puryear and Phillips give hope. Not sure any are "high level first team SEC" (whatever that means), but not really sure that's what they're aiming for. I think they'll try to balance out the roster, and consistently get Jrs/Srs to produce, while they develop the younger ones a year at a time...Not many folks have the juice to turn a roster over every year or two. It eventually catches up (see FFH had he stayed). Not sure this will work either, but I really believe they think it will. Problem is, they're kind of forced to play plenty of pieces now that simply aren't ready.
Mizzou can't even compete right now for the 2nd or 3rd best kid from MO right now, though. They are recruiting kids who belong in the MVC.
When kids from Missouri are picking K State and Iowa over the home state school...something has to change.
It's one thing with Tatum, those guys are going to UK/Duke/Kansas/UNC type of schools a lot. You can't hold that against Kim or anyone else at Mizzou. But when you can't even compete for the next couple of guys, you don't have a chance.
I agree Haith had a real problem but at least he brought in bodies that had a prayer of going .500 in the SEC.
Mizzou got Puryear. He's turned out to be decent get. Historically they've done OK around KC. But what StL players have the any of the recent coaches gotten? Maybe I'm just not remembering.
Quin had a couple I can think of in Grimes and McKinney. Haith and Anderson--I can think of Rosburg off the top of my head, but I'm struggling with others.
Someone else will remember this far better than I do.
Show me the team that wins at a high level consistently in a P5 conference with 2/3* guys. That just doesn't happen. Maybe you can win like that as a mid-major, but you can't do that in a real league.
You really don't know what a high level first team all-SEC player is? They're the guys that are, you know, on the first team all-SEC.
If Kim Anderson can't sign Porter, there's a really good chance he will never sign a high level guy. Anderson has a ton of advantages in play, beside the whole winning 10 games a season thing.
The ones that do something close to this have a system and find players that fit it - think Beilein at West Virginia or the Bennett defense disciples. That is not what KA is doing.
Cow-What makes you think Mizzou, in a conference with Kentucky, with it's campus in the state of Missouri would EVER get a player who as a freshman would be first team all-conference? Sure it would be nice to get Porter or Tatum. He never had a chance at Tatum. He's had time to recruit Porter. It would be nice to get him. But with the state of the program, that's unlikely. And that has nothing to do with Anderson. It has to do, again, with the state of the program. That's a point that really should not be that hard to comprehend.
As for the Arkansas game. They actually lost by 30 plus which is obviously more than 20-25.
Some of you guys just don't have the patience to understand the situation. Unless someone comes in and cheats, Mizzou is going to have to build year after year. They will win 15-17 games next year.
As for the Arkansas game. They actually lost by 30 plus which is obviously more than 20-25.
Some of you guys just don't have the patience to understand the situation. Unless someone comes in and cheats, Mizzou is going to have to build year after year. They will win 15-17 games next year.
[QUOTE="wcowherd, post: 157230, member: 3496"]Show me the team that wins at a high level consistently in a P5 conference with 2/3* guys. That just doesn't happen. Maybe you can win like that as a mid-major, but you can't do that in a real league.
I don't disagree but if Veer ever happened across this board he might just have a heart attack.
Most programs not named Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, UCLA or Louisville are going to land the elite players in their area if those teams are in on those players. It hurts when you could get a player of that caliber and he doesn't go to the school because of how the team is struggling or issues at the school.
The thing is for the most part in top level college basketball there are 2 routes. There are a few top teams that get the NBA lottery talent that are 1-2 and done and there are programs that get players just below that level that might be borderline pro talent but will stay for 4 years.
Anderson at Missouri will never be a player for the lottery player talent route. He is only going to succeed if he can put together a team of guys that will be there. Haith was trying to go the lottery player talent route but he was lets say of very questionable moral character and Missouri is still paying for it 2 years later.
I say all this because I think oldroundballer might be on to something with Wes Clark as addition by subtraction.
Mike Anderson won with players that by and large were not blue chips but they seemed to buy into his system and play hard. I haven't watched Missouri very much this year but the 2-3 times I have seen them earlier in the season they didn't seem to be playing very hard and it sounds like at least of late they are competing rather than just mailing it in.
I don't disagree but if Veer ever happened across this board he might just have a heart attack.
Most programs not named Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, UCLA or Louisville are going to land the elite players in their area if those teams are in on those players. It hurts when you could get a player of that caliber and he doesn't go to the school because of how the team is struggling or issues at the school.
The thing is for the most part in top level college basketball there are 2 routes. There are a few top teams that get the NBA lottery talent that are 1-2 and done and there are programs that get players just below that level that might be borderline pro talent but will stay for 4 years.
Anderson at Missouri will never be a player for the lottery player talent route. He is only going to succeed if he can put together a team of guys that will be there. Haith was trying to go the lottery player talent route but he was lets say of very questionable moral character and Missouri is still paying for it 2 years later.
I say all this because I think oldroundballer might be on to something with Wes Clark as addition by subtraction.
Mike Anderson won with players that by and large were not blue chips but they seemed to buy into his system and play hard. I haven't watched Missouri very much this year but the 2-3 times I have seen them earlier in the season they didn't seem to be playing very hard and it sounds like at least of late they are competing rather than just mailing it in.
There are plenty of second tier guys mizzou could get. It doesn't have to be stars or scrubs.
