NFL's Commish Goddell flip flops

[kaskaskiakid]

Goddell now says he supports players protests including kneeing during national anthem. The players say it is not about disrespecting the military. I'm sorry, but to me it has everything to do with disrespecting the military. The practice of playing the national anthem started in WWII as a sign of support for the military, and when the anthem is played we are not singing the words as repubs or dems, or whites or blacks, or supporting a president, or a war, or a political viewpoint. It is the one time when we all recognize that we are all Americans.
If the members of the military see the national anthem as a sign of support for them, then we owe it to them to respect the national anthem when it is played. There are hundreds of ways that millionaire black athletes can protest social injustices besides kneeing during the anthem.
If they are going to continue to knee during the anthem, then teams should stop playing it to take their platform away.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

LOL I keep telling you guys I am an independent moderate. No matter how much I may disagree with politics sometimes, I will never do something intentionally that any military person finds disrespectful. I always think of relatives who served and what they would think of me for not standing at attention for the anthem.

 

[hb1025]

I agree Kaski

 

[Arcola]

Goddell now says he supports players protests including kneeing during national anthem. The players say it is not about disrespecting the military. I'm sorry, but to me it has everything to do with disrespecting the military. The practice of playing the national anthem started in WWII as a sign of support for the military, and when the anthem is played we are not singing the words as repubs or dems, or whites or blacks, or supporting a president, or a war, or a political viewpoint. It is the one time when we all recognize that we are all Americans.
If the members of the military see the national anthem as a sign of support for them, then we owe it to them to respect the national anthem when it is played. There are hundreds of ways that millionaire black athletes can protest social injustices besides kneeing during the anthem.
If they are going to continue to knee during the anthem, then teams should stop playing it to take their platform away.

Very well put!

 

[kaskaskiakid]

hb - Missed you at the funeral this week, lots of old familiar faces made an appearance.

 

[hb1025]

I really would of liked to attend but I can't get around very good yet

 

[Veerman_12]

LOL I keep telling you guys I am an independent moderate. No matter how much I may disagree with politics sometimes, I will never do something intentionally that any military person finds disrespectful. I always think of relatives who served and what they would think of me for not standing at attention for the anthem.

Weird...I'm a military person and you go out of your way to disrespect me daily?

Also, you never said what issues make you independent and not a bleeding heart liberal. I made you a list of my stance as a show of good faith and you're too much of a troll to do the same.

Meanwhile you lick Duck's boots like a good little socialist.

 

[SadButTrue]

Weird...I'm a military person and you go out of your way to disrespect me daily?

Also, you never said what issues make you independent and not a bleeding heart liberal. I made you a list of my stance as a show of good faith and you're too much of a troll to do the same.

Meanwhile you lick Duck's boots like a good little socialist.

Classic definition of a troll right there.

 

[SadButTrue]

Weird...I'm a military person and you go out of your way to disrespect me daily?

Also, you never said what issues make you independent and not a bleeding heart liberal. I made you a list of my stance as a show of good faith and you're too much of a troll to do the same.

Meanwhile you lick Duck's boots like a good little socialist.

We all know what you lick on fat donnie.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Are you kidding me? It was written by Francis Scott Key inspired by the American flag raised at Fort McHenry after defeating the British. The 4 verse lyrics are clearly describing war and patriotism, I don't know of any veteran who doesn't think it is disrespectful to not stand during the anthem, and that's all I need to know to honor them.

Your flat out wrong on this one, duck

 

[hb1025]

I also went to many events when I was young with my Dad and Grandfather who also served in the military and I was taught to respect the flag.We learned it in school also.Thats the way I was raised.

As for as kneeling in a football game when someone gets hurt or church that has nothing to do with the flag.Not only do you hate Pubs but you hate catholics also.Your hate for people that don't agree with the way you think is sick

 

[kaskaskiakid]

1) and I bet you and he stood at those many events. Don't you stand at ballgame? Yes it stands for unity, but there is a military aspect to that unity and it has come to represent our military.
2) kneeling to pray is not the same as refusing to stand.
3) that's totally ridiculous, my stance has been the same all of my life to stand united out of respect to the people who serve(d) our country.

 

[SadButTrue]

I also went to many events when I was young with my Dad and Grandfather who also served in the military and I was taught to respect the flag.We learned it in school also.Thats the way I was raised.

As for as kneeling in a football game when someone gets hurt or church that has nothing to do with the flag.Not only do you hate Pubs but you hate catholics also.Your hate for people that don't agree with the way you think is sick

Why? That's exactly how trump operates.

 

[hb1025]

If you would pull your head out of Ducks a$$ maybe you could think on your own

 

[Sentrycash]

Let's pretend that no time has passed between 1860 and 2020.

I don't know anyone that wakes up in the morning thinking, "Lets go keep the black person down".

People are too self centered..

I'm not down with pretending to pay for my ancestors that didn't have slaves. I had no part in it.

There's half a dozen alternatives to kneeling before one single national anthem I can think of and none of them disrespect America's overall ideals and the founding of our nation like continuously admitting a sin that we've already corrected.

Just because Goodell now says he should have listened, means he should have listened or George Floyd would be alive and race riots would be avoided. This is not true.

This was going to happen at some point and it will continue because the solution to the problem is intentionally vague and doesn't address the grievances.

Black lives matter is now represented by Al Sharpton. If you know any historic evidence about him, this is a terrible move.

 

[hb1025]

If he lived in China he couldn't say that and get away with it

 

[hb1025]

If people hate America so bad,move to another country

 

[hb1025]

I don't hate anybody.I was raised to not hate or even say the word hate.My mom would get on me for saying that word.
Your the one that has problems,anyone that doesn't agree with what you believe in you get upset with them.It can't be healthy being a grumpy old man everyday,make yourself a root beer float and chill out

 

[Distancefix]

Goodell...We, the National Football League condemn racism and the systematic oppression of black people,”

What is systemic racism? Give examples. Ask any of the idiots on this board and they can't point to a single systemic policy.

If you say antisemitism you can point to groups that don't like Jewish people.

Are we confused that skinheads are racist?

This statement of systemic racism is repeated by our good friend Al Sharpton and other Democrats that are the worst race-baiters in American History.

Sharpton was called into George Floyds Memorial and he suggested that black people in America are endemically victimized by people in America.

Now I don't think Al Sharpton gets to make this claim because he's rich and famous for race-baiting.

He got famous by lying about Solana Browley being raped, and he helped incite a riot in Crown Heights in 1991 that ended with the murder of an orthodox Jew.

And in 1996 he helped incite a burning of Minnie mall in 1996 that ended in the death of a minority person at Freddies Fashion mart.

All of that because he's a rabid anti-semite.

His main bag in life is going around extorting companies like Macy's to denounce racism in exchange for a bag of money in the form of a donation. And he's being trotted out as a representative of black Americans which is just nonsense.

I don't know any black Americans that think of Al Sharpton as their leader. He's never been elected to anything. Listen to his speech at George Floyds memorial. He said black people are being victimized everywhere with a knee to the neck.

Which policies represent the knee on the neck? No, he's just saying anytime there's an inequality that's due to America being evil.

There are certain people that will go along with this white privilege nonsense, but I am not one of them. Did blackness kill George Floyd, not racism?

Please. Just by virtue of being white, you are anti-black?

 

[Veerman_12]

There are no racist policies (and if there are, why is it these race riots and racial issues always seem to crop up in places Democrats have controlled for decades), there are racist people though.

 

[Distancefix]

Recognizing its flaws and pushing it to improve is not hating. That’s like saying a coach who is not satisfied with his teams performance hates his team. It means you love it enough to make it better. Grow some thicker skin. You must be a referee.

Oh BS. Your argument is like calling the police to your house and when they arrive they ask you, what happened? And you say nothing specifically.
Specific acts of racism happen. It's not a general thing. Your party is deliberately not specific because they have no evidence and it gets them elected. Not to mention the division and animosity it builds.

 

[hb1025]

Try reading up on the changes made in Ferguson after they were evaluated post Mike Brown

Even with the groundswell of activism,the reforms and the influx of redevelopment dollars life isn't any better for low income and black Ferguson residents 5 years after Michael Brown's death.In fact,by a number of measures-including murder rate,black poverty rate and small business revenue it's worse

 

[SadButTrue]

If you would pull your head out of Ducks a$$ maybe you could think on your own

Maybe you need yours kicked.

 

[Distancefix]

I lean so heavily on the unique history of this country and the fact that we enslaved people, black people. To hold people in bondage as property, you had to look at them as less than human. You see that continuing to happen today in [what] I refer to as the criminal legal system, not the justice system, because it is not just. We are not there yet. As an appellate attorney, I read a lot of transcripts of trials.

And the level of dehumanization that prosecutors use to refer to black criminal defendants is striking. It’s the verbiage used, that the defendant was “circling” and “hunting” the victim. What hunts and circles? Animals. When you can dehumanize an individual, of course, you can put them away for a long time, you can sentence them to death. And of course, you can put your knee on somebody’s neck for nine minutes, because you see them as less than human. It’s a combination of the dehumanization of black people with the presumption of dangerousness and criminality.

Ferguson was a massive wake-up call. There was a brief glimmer of hope. There was a mechanism in place: the Law Enforcement Misconduct [Statute]. It [is] a federal law the Department of Justice could rely on to investigate Ferguson, to investigate police misconduct in Baltimore [where Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man, died while being transported in a police vehicle in what was ruled to be a homicide]. Right now that law is being grossly underutilized by Attorney General William Barr. Who the administration is, and who the chief law enforcement officer of this country is—the attorney general of the U.S.—makes a difference. We’ve seen a massive rollback in the We, the National Football League condemn racism and the systematic oppression of black people,” responsiveness of the [Trump] administration—[in taking] a hard look at injustice and at rampant police misconduct.

The other step back that the country has taken is to characterize officers involved in misconduct as “a few bad apples.” I think we all need to admit that it’s not a few bad apples; it’s a rotten apple tree. The history of policing in the South [was driven in part by] slave patrols that were monitoring the movement of black bodies. And in the North, law enforcement was privately funded [and often involved protecting property and goods]. The police got started targeting poor people and black people.

There are 800,000 cops you numskull. There's bound to be some that are terrible. No one disagrees police brutality exists. Police brutality is indiscriminate. Even after the race riots, A 75year old white guy got ran over.

American history is not unique in the fact we are the only country that enslaved black people.

We are more unique than we recognized it's evil and in part started by our Christian abolitionist fought a civil war to get rid of it.

We continued throughout history to live up the ideals not yet met in the ideals of our founders.

Nor are other countries throughout the span of human history free from the pestilence of slavery.

In fact, all races have enslaved the same color of people within the same society for centuries.

America and the West did more to abolish slavery throughout the world than any nation in history.

As for the specifics of Micheal Brown, we know the hands up is a made-up narrative.


As for the other cases even if what you say is legitimate does not prove police brutality is against blacks only, nor does it prove systemic racism.

The statistics are clear and America is a good place.

Broadly, considering the number of interactions between police and high crime areas, they do an amazing job. The statistics on this are clear. A few bad apples is a good analogy. Once again, overall, you have good intentions, but you're FOS.

 

[hb1025]

Yes all Trumps fault.You was trying to make us believe everything was great after Michael Brown's death and all the changes that were made.Caught in a lie again

 

[kaskaskiakid]

I just don't see anything possibly wrong with teaching kids to stand at attention and remove their hats for the anthem as a sign of unity as all Americans, respect for those who died protecting us, and respect for all military persons.

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

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