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Funny how Chicago and Houston Texas have about the same population.

Houston Texas has very liberal gun laws like most of the midwest.

Chicago Illinois has the strictest gun laws in the nation.

2014 Chicago had 407 murders (by all means not just guns)

2014 Houston had 239 murders (by all means not just guns)

So Houston had less murders ( 40% less) than Chicago with their strict gun laws

Chicago averages dropping almost 50% of the gun charges brought against criminals because (I guess) they dont want to put young black gang members in jail. They just turn them loose to do it again.

Its time Liberals need to realize its the people that are commitiing the crimes that are the problem and get rid of them for good. Its proven they cant be integrated succesfuly back into society. But honestly as long as they stay in Chicaco, Detroit, Newark, Baltimore ect I could care less.

 
Maybe, just maybe, Chicago drops 50% of the gun charges because they are harder to prosecute than we would like to think they are? "That was his gun, not mine" Etc.

Do you really think the Chicago/Cook County DA is interested in not putting away people committing gun crimes? I don't. I don't at all. Look at STL for an example...they are sending gun cases to the Feds in situations where they think the federal prosecutors have more leverage.

There likely isn't a DA in the country who is soft on gun crime.
 
Duck_walk said:
Try again. Chicago gangsters can get all the guns they need just outside of Cook county. Guns galore in Chicago.
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That cant be true. Chicago has all kinds of laws against handguns. I think the thugs up there are throwing bullets at each other because they have laws against guns.
 
Are you mental? What good does a gun law do it you can travel 10 minutes to a county without the gun laws? Hell you can order your gun from a Georgia pawn shop online and have it delivered to you.
 
Duck_walk said:
Are you mental? What good does a gun law do it you can travel 10 minutes to a county without the gun laws? Hell you can order your gun from a Georgia pawn shop online and have it delivered to you.
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Have to be mental to ever think I could get an idiot like you to ever realize it's the criminals that are the problem and not a piece of steel

If you think you can order a modern gun online and have it shipped directly to you without going thru a FFL holder you have not a clue about how guns are legally bought and sold.
 
Stevedangos said:
Have to be mental to ever think I could get an idiot like you to ever realize it's the criminals that are the problem and not a piece of steel

If you think you can order a modern gun online and have it shipped directly to you without going thru a FFL holder you have not a clue about how guns are legally bought and sold.
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No clue huh? I just posted info about cops in states 1,000 miles away who were killed by guns purchased by criminals from a pawn shop in Georgia. You, my dipwad, are clueless. We have laws in most states protecting the gun store owners from any real punishment. But you gun nuts fight every attempt to pass meaningful laws. Then you claim liberals don't respect cops. !@#%%&+??/=
 
I don't know of any liberal or conservative that isn't fed up with violent felons being released onto the streets. The problem is our prisons are overflowing and our politicians claim we can't keep building prisons, yet we keep throwing money away in the Middle East, rovers to Mars, farm subsidies, etc. I'm all for locking them all up if they commit a violent felony. You're 100% wrong if you think it is a liberal issue. Typical mud slinging with no proof.
 
Duck_walk said:
No clue huh? I just posted info about cops in states 1,000 miles away who were killed by guns purchased by criminals from a pawn shop in Georgia. You, my dipwad, are clueless. We have laws in most states protecting the gun store owners from any real punishment. But you gun nuts fight every attempt to pass meaningful laws. Then you claim liberals don't respect cops. !@#%%&+??/=
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I don't know of any liberal or conservative that isn't fed up with violent felons being released onto the streets. The problem is our prisons are overflowing and our politicians claim we can't keep building prisons, yet we keep throwing money away in the Middle East, rovers to Mars, farm subsidies, etc. I'm all for locking them all up if they commit a violent felony. You're 100% wrong if you think it is a liberal issue. Typical mud slinging with no proof.
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Bogey Man said:
I don't know of any liberal or conservative that isn't fed up with violent felons being released onto the streets. The problem is our prisons are overflowing and our politicians claim we can't keep building prisons, yet we keep throwing money away in the Middle East, rovers to Mars, farm subsidies, etc. I'm all for locking them all up if they commit a violent felony. You're 100% wrong if you think it is a liberal issue. Typical mud slinging with no proof.
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Give me a link to any Pawn Shop in the Nation where I can buy a gun covered by the Gun Control Act of 1968 and have it shipped directly to me without going thru a FFL dealer in Missouri,,,and I will never post on this board again
 
Bogey Man said:
I don't know of any liberal or conservative that isn't fed up with violent felons being released onto the streets. The problem is our prisons are overflowing and our politicians claim we can't keep building prisons, yet we keep throwing money away in the Middle East, rovers to Mars, farm subsidies, etc. I'm all for locking them all up if they commit a violent felony. You're 100% wrong if you think it is a liberal issue. Typical mud slinging with no proof.
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I agree we shouldn't send rovers to Mars. We should send people to Mars.
 
3Rfan said:
That's even dumber than sending anything else to Mars.
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Actually, if you want to stay ahead of our competitors technologically, there's nothing better we could do.

Do you think the Gemini and Apollo missions were a waste?
 
wcowherd said:
Actually, if you want to stay ahead of our competitors technologically, there's nothing better we could do.

Do you think the Gemini and Apollo missions were a waste?
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Ancient history. We live in a different world and our debt is $18 trillion. We have NO business spend money on trips to Mars, especially manned flights. We could fix our crumbling infrastructure, feed a lot of homeless folks, including thousands of vets, secure the border or many other worthy projects instead of worrying about whether or not there was once water on some other planet.
 
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3Rfan said:
Ancient history. We live in a different world and our debt is $18 trillion. We have NO business spend money on trips to Mars, especially manned flights. We could fix our crumbling infrastructure, feed a lot of homeless folks, including thousands of vets, secure the border or many other worthy projects instead of worrying about whether or not there was once water on some other planet.
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1969 is ancient history?

We live in a different world (you know, the world of technology) because we went to the moon. Computers, TV, satellites, cell phones, all can be traced back to the early days of nasa.

Don't give that that debt garbage. This wouldn't cost 1% of $18 trillion.

Not one scenarios you mentioned would have to be sacrificed by going to Mars. This isn't a zero sum game. There is plenty of money right now to go to Mars.

We wouldn't be going to Mars to discover water. You really don't know anything about nasa or why we would go, do you?

So many people are such short range thinkers. We got so much technology from the Apollo missions, technology that allowed us to stay ahead of the rest of the world. The moon is in our back yard. Mars would be such a harder, and more fruitful, voyage.
 
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wcowherd said:
1969 is ancient history?

We live in a different world (you know, the world of technology) because we went to the moon. Computers, TV, satellites, cell phones, all can be traced back to the early days of nasa.

Don't give that that debt garbage. This wouldn't cost 1% of $18 trillion.

Not one scenarios you mentioned would have to be sacrificed by going to Mars. This isn't a zero sum game. There is plenty of money right now to go to Mars.

We wouldn't be going to Mars to discover water. You really don't know anything about nasa or why we would go, do you?

So many people are such short range thinkers. We got so much technology from the Apollo missions, technology that allowed us to stay ahead of the rest of the world. The moon is in our back yard. Mars would be such a harder, and more fruitful, voyage.
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I know we won't go there to look for water, we've already spent that money on cameras and a robot car we sent there. There is NOTHING for us on Mars. I am so short sighted I think millions of dollars spent on such things is a LOT of money that could be much better spent on our own planet, in our own country. We could fix a LOT of infrastructure issues for a small price relative to the national debt too but republicans go bonkers and call it "pork barrel projects" when it comes up.
 
3Rfan said:
I know we won't go there to look for water, we've already spent that money on cameras and a robot car we sent there. There is NOTHING for us on Mars. I am so short sighted I think millions of dollars spent on such things is a LOT of money that could be much better spent on our own planet, in our own country. We could fix a LOT of infrastructure issues for a small price relative to the national debt too but republicans go bonkers and call it "pork barrel projects" when it comes up.
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Again, it's not a zero sum game. We can still feed as many people as we want and do infrastructure and still send someone to Mars.

There's plenty for us by going to Mars. First, the technological leaps we would have to make to go to Mars would benefit all mankind. Propulsion, artificial intelligence, procuring hydrogen from the surface of Mars, making hospitable living spaces on Mars would all be things we would benefit from here. Second, eventually we're going to have to leave this rock and go far away. It would be nice for humanity to be able to do that instead of going extinct.
 
Hate to agree with the Libs but anything outside of either low earth orbit, or a doable method to deflect meteors that could end all life on earth are pretty much a gigantic waste of money.

We could build the Great Wall of Mexico to keep out the Latina hords from the south with NASA's budget for the next ten years
 
NASA costs the tax payer half a cent for every tax dollar. It's dumb to think nasa costs too much.
 
wcowherd said:
NASA costs the tax payer half a cent for every tax dollar. It's dumb to think nasa costs too much.
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What do we get in return for the half a cent? And that half a cent amounts to almost 20 BILLION dollars a year of our tax money. At that rate you could be talking some real cash before long

I like to see pictures of dune buggies driving around on mars as much as the next guy, but at some point we have to stop spending more money than we take in. NASA budget is about useless.

What are we getting from the "Space Station" of any practical value?
 
wcowherd said:
There's plenty for us by going to Mars. First, the technological leaps we would have to make to go to Mars would benefit all mankind. Propulsion, artificial intelligence, procuring hydrogen from the surface of Mars, making hospitable living spaces on Mars would all be things we would benefit from here. Second, eventually we're going to have to leave this rock and go far away. It would be nice for humanity to be able to do that instead of going extinct.
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I can understand why you are in favor of artificial intelligence. You certainly lack the natural kind.
 
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Bogey, that was a mean and unnecessary comment that made me laugh real hard.
 
Stevedangos said:
What do we get in return for the half a cent? And that half a cent amounts to almost 20 BILLION dollars a year of our tax money. At that rate you could be talking some real cash before long

I like to see pictures of dune buggies driving around on mars as much as the next guy, but at some point we have to stop spending more money than we take in. NASA budget is about useless.

What are we getting from the "Space Station" of any practical value?
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Well, we discover what's out there beyond the speck of the universe we inhabit. NASA has pioneered the technology that we all use today. There's a human factor that's hard to calculate, teaching young kids that they can reach the stars, and science can help them get there.

Some of the best engineering that mankind has ever done was sending man to the moon. It's no coincidence that the computer and technical revolution followed.

If we decide that space is meaningless to us, we might as well go back to the cave, because that's where we're headed. Man is meant to travel to new places and extend his reach. The moon was easy. Mars will be far harder and a more worthy test of our intelligence.

Also, we don't send people to the ISS anymore. We have other countries do that.
 
Bogey, you sir are going to cost me a new lap top one of these days. I'm not sure how much more diet mt dew it can take...:)
 
wcowherd said:
Well, we discover what's out there beyond the speck of the universe we inhabit. NASA has pioneered the technology that we all use today. There's a human factor that's hard to calculate, teaching young kids that they can reach the stars, and science can help them get there.

Some of the best engineering that mankind has ever done was sending man to the moon. It's no coincidence that the computer and technical revolution followed.

If we decide that space is meaningless to us, we might as well go back to the cave, because that's where we're headed. Man is meant to travel to new places and extend his reach. The moon was easy. Mars will be far harder and a more worthy test of our intelligence.

Also, we don't send people to the ISS anymore. We have other countries do that.
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Crowd control to Major Tom: We have decided that we choose the cave over Mars. And by the way, guess what's out there beyond our speck of the universe? MORE SPACE, DUMMY!!
 
wcowherd said:
Well, we discover what's out there beyond the speck of the universe we inhabit. NASA has pioneered the technology that we all use today. There's a human factor that's hard to calculate, teaching young kids that they can reach the stars, and science can help them get there.

Some of the best engineering that mankind has ever done was sending man to the moon. It's no coincidence that the computer and technical revolution followed.

If we decide that space is meaningless to us, we might as well go back to the cave, because that's where we're headed. Man is meant to travel to new places and extend his reach. The moon was easy. Mars will be far harder and a more worthy test of our intelligence.

Also, we don't send people to the ISS anymore. We have other countries do that.
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Why would be headed back to the caves when we already have all this valuable technology that NASA gave us? We don't have to go backwards just because we don't go to Mars. Tell me what spending YOU would cut to get our budget and debt under control. If we can afford to send space ships to Mars why aren't we already taking care of homeless vets and rebuilding our infrastructure? How many people could we put in a decent house for the price of ONE trip to Mars, manned or otherwise? How many bridges could we build for that same price? How many crumbling sewer systems could we rebuild with that money? Maybe we "could" do all these things as you say, but we most certainly are NOT.
 
3Rfan said:
Why would be headed back to the caves when we already have all this valuable technology that NASA gave us? We don't have to go backwards just because we don't go to Mars. Tell me what spending YOU would cut to get our budget and debt under control. If we can afford to send space ships to Mars why aren't we already taking care of homeless vets and rebuilding our infrastructure? How many people could we put in a decent house for the price of ONE trip to Mars, manned or otherwise? How many bridges could we build for that same price? How many crumbling sewer systems could we rebuild with that money? Maybe we "could" do all these things as you say, but we most certainly are NOT.
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Society isn't static. You either regress as a society or you improve. We will fall behind other societies that can think past their immediate problems because we don't have the forsight to realize that research, exploration, and innovation are key to any advanced society.

We lack the political will to do the things you want to do. NASA has nothing to do with it. NASA also has nothing to do the with the debt. Is $20B going to make a dent in $14 trillion? Of course not. Let's fix the real problems (entitlements and revenue) before we worry about the fake problems.
 
How about the millions we waste to elect our rich to office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
wcowherd said:
Society isn't static. You either regress as a society or you improve. We will fall behind other societies that can think past their immediate problems because we don't have the forsight to realize that research, exploration, and innovation are key to any advanced society.

We lack the political will to do the things you want to do. NASA has nothing to do with it. NASA also has nothing to do the with the debt. Is $20B going to make a dent in $14 trillion? Of course not. Let's fix the real problems (entitlements and revenue) before we worry about the fake problems.
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Cow it's people like you that are the problem. You say what the hell, 20 billion for NASA ain't the problem, it's some other programs that have caused our problems. That's BS and you surely know that. You add up all the 20 billion dollar projects out there and it becomes a few trillion before you can bat an eye. We can have plenty of foresight and innovation for a LOT of programs right here on earth for the price of NASA projects. You are delusional if you think man will ever live on Mars. Where will the money come from for such a project and who will pay for it? We're frickin broke now, we ain't building living quarters on Mars!! Even if we needed to, and could, who would be able to go? I sure wouldn't pass the tests an astronaut has to go through for that kind of trip and I'm in pretty good shape for an old guy. Will it only be the rich and under 50 crowd that gets saved? :cool:
 
Duck_walk said:
Send Miller and Dangos.
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Why would you want to preserve the life form you despise the most?
Coun't me out on the trip. I'm happy here. The ones who think we are jeopardizing the Earth should be fighting to get in line though.
 
millerbleach said:
Why would you want to preserve the life form you despise the most?
Coun't me out on the trip. I'm happy here. The ones who think we are jeopardizing the Earth should be fighting to get in line though.
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We are no doubt messing with Mother Nature but we would have to do some serious screwing up for it to get worse than Mars already is. Count me out too.
 
3Rfan said:
Cow it's people like you that are the problem. You say what the hell, 20 billion for NASA ain't the problem, it's some other programs that have caused our problems. That's BS and you surely know that. You add up all the 20 billion dollar projects out there and it becomes a few trillion before you can bat an eye. We can have plenty of foresight and innovation for a LOT of programs right here on earth for the price of NASA projects. You are delusional if you think man will ever live on Mars. Where will the money come from for such a project and who will pay for it? We're frickin broke now, we ain't building living quarters on Mars!! Even if we needed to, and could, who would be able to go? I sure wouldn't pass the tests an astronaut has to go through for that kind of trip and I'm in pretty good shape for an old guy. Will it only be the rich and under 50 crowd that gets saved? :cool:
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It isn't the problem, that's just the facts. Entitlements and revenue generation are the problem. NASA costs 0.5 cents on the dollar. You really want to blame our debt on that? Lol, you go for it.

Where did the money for landing on the moon come from? It comes from the tax payer, same as every other government expenditure. 0.5 cents on the dollar is so cheap compared to what nasa has given society.

Of course man will live on Mars. It's incredibly shortsighted to think no civilization will go to Mars. It's the next logical step. Whether our society has the foresight and the wisdom to expand our reach beyond our own backyard remains to be seen.

If we have to leave earth (which we will, look at history), hopefully we can bring everyone. If we never leave earth to other planets, then no one gets to go. Is that a better option to you, we just die out? So shortsighted.

And again, this is not a zero sum game. A $20 billion dollar agency is not preventing a government with a $3.5 trillion dollar budget from feeding people. It's a silly straw man argument.

Name one, just one, program in the history of the United States that has given society the technological progress that nasa has for equal or lesser money. Go ahead, just name one. I'll wait.
 
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