MSHSAA sets basketball classes based on the schools participating in boy’s basketball. I believe class 1 starts with the smallest 128 schools and have an even breakdown for each class. The girls programs are placed in class based on the boys numbers. There are many small schools that do not have girl’s basketball. This results in uneven classes and districts for the girls program. You only have to look at the class 1 in district 1 and 2. There are 3 in district 1 and 4 in district 2. Where there are 8 boys’ teams in each district. Shouldn’t the classes and districts for the girls programs be based on the schools participating in the girls programs? Currently there are lower numbers of schools in class 1 and 2 than 3-5. Is this a Title 9 violation?
MSHSAA Title 9 violaton?
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I would say it is an issue in the schools. How do they have boys basketball and not girls? Classes in boys and girls are based on all schools, not just schools that have basketball I believe. So therefore there is no issue because the schools are split equally that way.
I think it is only the schools that participate in that sport. Does Soccer, football, track etc, base the classes and districts on all schools,or only those that participate in those sports?
Classes in basketball are based on the school's that have basketball only, and then it is based on the sex that has more teams, which is always boys teams due to the fact that several smaller schools only have boys basketball. It is not in the rules that it is based off of boys, only that it is based off of whichever has more teams.
I would assume that most of the time it would be lack of participation. At a school with 40 kids, you're more likely to find 8 boys that want to play basketball than you are to find 8 girls that want to play.
It is baseless, but I don't think a small school just tells the girls "no basketball team for you", so how else would you explain schools having boys basketball and not girls? Pretty much every coed school that has girl's basketball teams also has boy's basketball teams, but I don't know of one that is the other way around, not saying there isn't, I just don't know of one.
I know of a school that has said "no" to girls basketball even after plenty of girls have requested it AND said school is in direct violation of title IX. It seems some board members just like to show their authority and aren't concerned about students wishes or legal repercussions. But it appears the possibility for girls basketball there may finally be on the horizon although it's not a done deal yet.
So, you're filing a discrimination lawsuit? Someone else is? A court is filing an injunction? What are you insinuating?
No lawsuits that I know of. The board may be changing and could become more favorable to girls basketball. Although when a board blatantly disregards laws someone probably should do something. Whether you agree with title IX or not it is the law. And no I'm not in the district of which I'm speaking.
Without girls basektball does the school have more boys' sports than they do girls' sports?
You specifically mentioned that they should concern themselves with legal repercussions? Can you elaborate on what you mean by that? What sort of legal repercussions?
I have seen over the years teams that did not have girls bb or enough girls to field a team to let girls play with the boys team. I have seen this in basketball anf baseball--Saxony Lutheran and Kingston have played girls with the boys
Basketball is probably the only sport that both genders play where there are more boys teams than girls teams. In every other sport that both genders participate, there are more girls teams because there are more all girls schools than all boys schools. Tile IX is about opportunity. If schools that don't have girls basketball picked it up, they would have to add another boys sport.
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I know little about title IX other than what I hear. I haven't studied it. But it would seem to me there must be some form of punishment for repeatedly and willingly not being in compliance. Without that it simply has no meaning. But like I said, I don't really know. I do know I've heard talk of a possible formal title IX complaint being filed and investigation brought in. If that actually can happen I can't see it being good for any school. I'd think the best thing for the district would be to vote out board members who insist on living in the past so the district can move forward. But that's just my opinion.
If you feel that a discrimination investigation and hearings might be necessary, I would encourage you to contact the Office for Civil Rights division of the U.S. Department of Education. It's probably going to have more impact than posting vague assumptions on an internet message board.
OK, thanks for the advice. Although I didn't really post asking for it. I just posted about a situation I know of where title IX could become an issue if something doesn't change. Hopefully, for those involved, it doesn't get to that point.
Have a great day.
But you said they were in "direct violation." Why wouldn't you pick up the phone and make that call? You're supporting discrimination if you don't.
That would be up to the folks in that district. As I said, it appears that it may work itself out and no one will have to take that route. Hopefully it does.
You seem awfully interested. I hope I'm not hitting too close to home.
I'm just trying to help you get to the bottom of what you seemed to be indicating what was a violation of federal anti-discrimination laws.
if the school has equal number of sports for boys and girls then that school is ok, the schools turn in the sports they will participate in, I suppose the post is about the districts in the boot where not every high school fields a girls bball team
I agree but the Volleyball fans probably feel the same way about VB. Neither Naylor or Neelyville have VB, but are headed to the final 4 in BB.
