MSHSAA Eligibility Rules

[Set_The_Edge]

I'll give you a first hand experience of a situation and MSHSAA's eligibility rules. This is a true story.

A foreign exchange student from Germany came to a public high school and wanted to play football. He had played American football in Germany at his school over there. He was a pretty decent player and was was seen as a kid that could fight for a spot on defense as a linebacker at the beginning of summer and would have definitely helped this particular team on special teams. Fast forward a couple of weeks and MSHSAA denied his eligibility to play varsity athletics because he had played, what they determined as, "varsity" athletics in Germany and would have to sit out a year (from varsity). A foreign exchange student trying to further himself academically.

I am not sure how much sense that makes and maybe that is the exact thing they would deny, but when you compare it to what is currently happening across the state with transfers and being immediately eligible astonishes me. There is so much gray area and loopholes for some situations yet a good kid from Germany flying across the world to live with a family he has never met and further his education is denied.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[bhunt95]

all he would had to say was he was scared of nazi's in Germany and would have instant eligibility

 

[Set_The_Edge]

all he would had to say was he was scared of nazi's in Germany and would have instant eligibility

Should have seen that comment coming

... hahah

 

[JNreturns]

I'll give you a first hand experience of a situation and MSHSAA's eligibility rules. This is a true story.

A foreign exchange student from Germany came to a public high school and wanted to play football. He had played American football in Germany at his school over there. He was a pretty decent player and was was seen as a kid that could fight for a spot on defense as a linebacker at the beginning of summer and would have definitely helped this particular team on special teams. Fast forward a couple of weeks and MSHSAA denied his eligibility to play varsity athletics because he had played, what they determined as, "varsity" athletics in Germany and would have to sit out a year (from varsity). A foreign exchange student trying to further himself academically.

I am not sure how much sense that makes and maybe that is the exact thing they would deny, but when you compare it to what is currently happening across the state with transfers and being immediately eligible astonishes me. There is so much gray area and loopholes for some situations yet a good kid from Germany flying across the world to live with a family he has never met and further his education is denied.

What are your thoughts on this?

The default rule is ineligibility. The exceptions to the rule are a family relocation, unsafe environment, etc.. Since he didn't meet one of the exceptions--too bad so sad.

 

[Set_The_Edge]

The default rule is ineligibility. The exceptions to the rule are a family relocation, unsafe environment, etc.. Since he didn't meet one of the exceptions--too bad so sad.

makes sense

 

[JNreturns]

I'll give you a first hand experience of a situation and MSHSAA's eligibility rules. This is a true story.

A foreign exchange student from Germany came to a public high school and wanted to play football. He had played American football in Germany at his school over there. He was a pretty decent player and was was seen as a kid that could fight for a spot on defense as a linebacker at the beginning of summer and would have definitely helped this particular team on special teams. Fast forward a couple of weeks and MSHSAA denied his eligibility to play varsity athletics because he had played, what they determined as, "varsity" athletics in Germany and would have to sit out a year (from varsity). A foreign exchange student trying to further himself academically.

I am not sure how much sense that makes and maybe that is the exact thing they would deny, but when you compare it to what is currently happening across the state with transfers and being immediately eligible astonishes me. There is so much gray area and loopholes for some situations yet a good kid from Germany flying across the world to live with a family he has never met and further his education is denied.

What are your thoughts on this?

You get around the default rule by using:

 

[TrooperBaby]

I'll give you a first hand experience of a situation and MSHSAA's eligibility rules. This is a true story.

A foreign exchange student from Germany came to a public high school and wanted to play football. He had played American football in Germany at his school over there. He was a pretty decent player and was was seen as a kid that could fight for a spot on defense as a linebacker at the beginning of summer and would have definitely helped this particular team on special teams. Fast forward a couple of weeks and MSHSAA denied his eligibility to play varsity athletics because he had played, what they determined as, "varsity" athletics in Germany and would have to sit out a year (from varsity). A foreign exchange student trying to further himself academically.

I am not sure how much sense that makes and maybe that is the exact thing they would deny, but when you compare it to what is currently happening across the state with transfers and being immediately eligible astonishes me. There is so much gray area and loopholes for some situations yet a good kid from Germany flying across the world to live with a family he has never met and further his education is denied.

What are your thoughts on this?

Wasn’t this at Lindbergh?

 

[FBisLife12]

On the subject of “Kids getting screwed by MSHSAA”, allow me to introduce 2019 QB Hunter Grills. In short, he was the QB at Lutheran- St. Charles for 3 years until his father gets ill and his family can’t afford tuition at the school. He transfers to Elsberry for financial reasons, and that’s where things get strange. Because the AD and HC at Lutheran- St. Charles are close with members of MSHSAA’s appeals committee and are (for some reason) upset that the kid transferred ... he gets denied an exception for his senior year. The article details the whole story, so I won’t repeat it here.

http://www.elsberrydemocrat.com/controversy-surrounds-eligibility-of-indianhawk-player/

 

[FBisLife12]

That sucks. Thanks for sharing

I know of another family who pulled their son from an unnamed class 6 school and sent them to their public school as juniors.

Their boy was eligible his first year. They listed “financial difficulties” as the reason, even though this family is as rich as the Kennedy’s.

It’s infuriating. All bullshit aside, disgust toward MSHSAA is something we agree on.

 

[Bleeding Red and Black]

On the subject of “Kids getting screwed by MSHSAA”, allow me to introduce 2019 QB Hunter Grills. In short, he was the QB at Lutheran- St. Charles for 3 years until his father gets ill and his family can’t afford tuition at the school. He transfers to Elsberry for financial reasons, and that’s where things get strange. Because the AD and HC at Lutheran- St. Charles are close with members of MSHSAA’s appeals committee and are (for some reason) upset that the kid transferred ... he gets denied an exception for his senior year. The article details the whole story, so I won’t repeat it here.

http://www.elsberrydemocrat.com/controversy-surrounds-eligibility-of-indianhawk-player/

Wow! Talk about infuriating!!! That’s just unreal. I notice the date of the article was Sept. Any updates?? Maybe a chance for track??

 

[FBisLife12]

Wow! Talk about infuriating!!! That’s just unreal. I notice the date of the article was Sept. Any updates?? Maybe a chance for track??

The kid had to sit out the entire season. Fortunately, he’d already been on the radar of some D2 programs (Quincy, Central MO) and MO State. Cardinal Ritter’s HC helped a lot by recommending him when recruiters asked him “Who’s a kid we should be talking to?”. He practiced with Elsberry all year and was a senior leader, even though he wasn’t eligible. No complaining. No quitting. Not even any negative words towards the school that screwed him. He’s gonna land on a college roster and i’ll post it here when I know more. I’m rooting for this kid.

 

[Bleeding Red and Black]

The kid had to sit out the entire season. Fortunately, he’d already been on the radar of some D2 programs (Quincy, Central MO) and MO State. Cardinal Ritter’s HC helped a lot by recommending him when recruiters asked him “Who’s a kid we should be talking to?”. He practiced with Elsberry all year and was a senior leader, even though he wasn’t eligible. No complaining. No quitting. Not even any negative words towards the school that screwed him. He’s gonna land on a college roster and i’ll post it here when I know more. I’m rooting for this kid.

Impressive! Sounds like a real classy kid both on and off the field! Hope he makes it as well. Please keep us updated!!

 

[bhunt95]

#FakeNews Reporter should of did some investigating in this one sided story.

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/header.do

Going through and reading the docket entries for the case. There has to be more to this story.

MSHSAA lawyers presented to judge exhibits (A through H) reasons for denial and judge dismissed case. Because he is a minor and privacy laws the court, schools, and MSHSAA will never be able to comment.

If I had to guess parents/kids made a social media comment or email/letter saying they were leaving Lutheran to play football somewhere else. Lutheran AD gave this info to MSHSAA with the transfer form.

On the other hand I criticize MSHSAA being reverse racist. If this was a city black kid doing this they wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft pole. Worried they would be accused of being racist.

 

[FBisLife12]

#FakeNews Reporter should of did some investigating in this one sided story.

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/header.do

Going through and reading the docket entries for the case. There has to be more to this story.

MSHSAA lawyers presented to judge exhibits (A through H) reasons for denial and judge dismissed case. Because he is a minor and privacy laws the court, schools, and MSHSAA will never be able to comment.

If I had to guess parents/kids made a social media comment or email/letter saying they were leaving Lutheran to play football somewhere else. Lutheran AD gave this info to MSHSAA with the transfer form.

On the other hand I criticize MSHSAA being reverse racist. If this was a city black kid doing this they wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft pole. Worried they would be accused of being racist.

The exhibits presented by MSHSAA to the judge were documents indicating that MSHSAA had denied eligibility exceptions in multiple prior instances. It demonstrated implied lack of bias against the family and established precedent for not granting an exception, even when financial hardship was the stated reason for a transfer.

He wasn’t screwed over because he was a white kid and MSHSAA wasn’t afraid of backlash as a result.

Also, “reverse racism” isn’t a thing. White men aren’t out here trying to keep other white men down because they’re white and dislike/hate them for being white.

 

[freezeoption]

Mesha uses Oracle bones and has the testicles of a constradi tenor.

 

[DirtyDan17]

The exhibits presented by MSHSAA to the judge were documents indicating that MSHSAA had denied eligibility exceptions in multiple prior instances. It demonstrated implied lack of bias against the family and established precedent for not granting an exception, even when financial hardship was the stated reason for a transfer.

He wasn’t screwed over because he was a white kid and MSHSAA wasn’t afraid of backlash as a result.

Also, “reverse racism” isn’t a thing. White men aren’t out here trying to keep other white men down because they’re white and dislike/hate them for being white.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Reverse racism CAN be a thing. I'll take Webster's definition over yours.

 

[FBisLife12]

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Reverse racism CAN be a thing. I'll take Webster's definition over yours.

How is it “reverse racism” against white families when everyone at an administrative level in MSHSAA and everyone on the committee that evaluates eligibility exceptions is white? So, you’re saying white men are denying opportunities to families and keeping white kids from being eligible when they transfer schools because they think white people are inferior?

If someone is denied opportunities because of their race, it’s just racism. You calling it “reverse racism” is acknowledging that NORMAL racism is when white folks do it. Like it’s somehow EXTRA bad when it happens TO white folks, instead of anyone else. Like “white slavery” is SO much more of a horrible concept that just REGULAR slavery.

If it’s racist ... then it’s racist. White folks screwing over other white folks isn’t racism ... and it isn’t because they wouldn’t do it if they weren’t white. They’re doing it because they REALLY don’t give a shit about who they’re screwing over, and the family being white doesn’t make them care more.

 

[FBisLife12]

Semantics

Yep. You’re learning.

 

[Set_The_Edge]

Wasn’t this at Lindbergh?

This particular story is not from Lindbergh.

 

[Set_The_Edge]

It’s infuriating. All bullshit aside, disgust toward MSHSAA is something we agree on.