Moving Forward

[Veerman_12]

Let's kill two birds with one stone with a massive infrastructure works project.

Upgrade an aging and much in need infrastructure and put people back to work in mass numbers.

Create a temporary (5-10 year) jobs/training program that pays $20 minimum wage with regular raises and/or tuition assistance/forgiveness. People can walk away with good job experience, training, potentially a degree and/or less debt.

My biggest concern is the people currently in office have a serious lack of foresight. They (Trump) will want a 20th century refurbishing for a 21st century world.

They would do well to focus on:

Smart cities/grids
- "Smart" asphalt
- self repairing asphalt
- updating the power grid
- focus on sustainability/renewable energy
- robotics/AI

Transportation
- Autonomous vehicles
- "Bullet" trains
- MagLev trains
- Hyperloop

National Security
- Build the Wall
- Drone and camera system to help monitor the wall.

Space/Space Exploration
- Permanent Moon Base
- Asteroid mining
- Mars Base
- Europa/Enceladus/Ganymede/Titan exploration (easier with Mars base)


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.govtech.com/fs/Data-is-the-New-Asphalt-Why-Colorado-Decided-to-Become-an-Early-Smart-Pavement-Tester.html?AMP

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.interestingengineering.com/self-healing-roads-last-80-years

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...tely-needs-upgrades-handle-climate-change/amp

https://hyperloop-one.com/

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

We don’t need that. Trump has feelings instead of plans.

What a precise genius
I think the economy is going to do very well. Now that’s just my feeling. It’s a strong feeling. I’ve had good, proper feelings about a lot of things over the years,” President Trump says when asked what he would tell Americans worried about the economy.

 

[Veerman_12]

Serious responses are appreciated. I understand that's an impossibility for some people.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Are you serious about the moon stuff?

 

[Veerman_12]

Are you serious about the moon stuff?

Yes. Read Michio Kaku's book "The Future of Humanity" and you'll totally understand why. We need to build and invest in future tech, not just on what seems most logical right this second. This is a 100 year project.

China, Russia, and India all are focusing on space, it would be imprudent for us not to. Not to mention the benefits in the long run FAR outweigh the potential detriments.

 

[Stable_Genius]

Let’s spend money on Mars, the moon, and asteroids while leaving a good portion of our population with unaffordable health care. Makes sense.

 

[Veerman_12]

Let’s spend money on Mars, the moon, and asteroids while leaving a good portion of our population with unaffordable health care. Makes sense.

Ignored.

I do think it's cute that you keep creating new aliases so I'll listen to you.

That's the last response you'll get from me Veer2Eternity/SadButTrue/Arkansas Lazerback/Stable Genius/Whatever your next handle is.

Bye.

 

[Draftpik]

Let’s spend money on Mars, the moon, and asteroids while leaving a good portion of our population with unaffordable health care. Makes sense.

Sounds good to me. Screw the population. You can order your ED pills online.

 

[Veerman_12]

Sounds good to me. Screw the population. You can order your ED pills online.

Can we not derail this thread with pettiness?

Reasons to establish a permanent Moon base.

- lower gravity makes takeoff for Mars missions much easier = lower fuel cost/more capacity for materials to be hauled.

- easier to "trap" nearby asteroids for mining. Asteroids for mining. Asteroid mining in the moon's orbit would have a benefit on earth as the amount of greenhouse gasses released during similar activities on earth are massive.
* Gold, silver, platinum, palladium, and many rare earth minerals can be mined from asteroids for function on earth as well as iron and other materials which could in turn be used for building and construction in space. All without having to strip mine ecological treasures here on earth.

- innumerable tech advances will undoubtedly come from problem solving the space race.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Can we not derail this thread with pettiness?

Reasons to establish a permanent Moon base.

- lower gravity makes takeoff for Mars missions much easier = lower fuel cost/more capacity for materials to be hauled.

- easier to "trap" nearby asteroids for mining. Asteroids for mining. Asteroid mining in the moon's orbit would have a benefit on earth as the amount of greenhouse gasses released during similar activities on earth are massive.
* Gold, silver, platinum, palladium, and many rare earth minerals can be mined from asteroids for function on earth as well as iron and other materials which could in turn be used for building and construction in space. All without having to strip mine ecological treasures here on earth.

- innumerable tech advances will undoubtedly come from problem solving the space race.

I don’t think space investment makes any sense. The practicality of mining asteroids is laughable. Does anyone else doubt the validity of the moon landing?

 

[Veerman_12]

I don’t think space investment makes any sense. The practicality of mining asteroids is laughable. Does anyone else doubt the validity of the moon landing?

I mean that's fair I guess.

Do you ever fly in a plane? If so you have some faith in science and technology.

As far as the moon landing, have you ever heard the saying, "In order for a group of three people to keep a secret, two of them have to be dead."? Now multiply that by the literal thousands involved in the moon landing, if it was a hoax someone involved would have spilled the beans by now.

Space exploration aside, how do you feel about the rest of it?

 

[Veerman_12]

I don’t think space investment makes any sense. The practicality of mining asteroids is laughable. Does anyone else doubt the validity of the moon landing?

The other thing to keep in mind, the pace of technology advances at an incredible rate, who knows what the infrastructure of 2120 needs to look like, I'm just taking my best stab at it.

What I do know is we don't need a 1950's infrastructure going forward, which given the average age of current leadership it wouldnt shock me if that's what they shoot for.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

The other thing to keep in mind, the pace of technology advances at an incredible rate, who knows what the infrastructure of 2120 needs to look like, I'm just taking my best stab at it.

What I do know is we don't need a 1950's infrastructure going forward, which given the average age of current leadership it wouldnt shock me if that's what they shoot for.

I'm just not in favor of "the new deal" part 2. We need to learn how to support ourselves and not rely on a corrupt government. This screams more government dependency. What do the people do after 5 years of being government employees? Does that program ever actually stop?

I just don't want the government to have one more ounce of power over us than they already do. They have proven themselves unworthy of my trust.

 

[Veerman_12]

I'm just not in favor of "the new deal" part 2. We need to learn how to support ourselves and not rely on a corrupt government. This screams more government dependency. What do the people do after 5 years of being government employees? Does that program ever actually stop?

I just don't want the government to have one more ounce of power over us than they already do. They have proven themselves unworthy of my trust.

I don't disagree, you show me a private industry that can put everyone back to work that quickly and I'll jump on board.

I'm looking to kickstart an engine that just died.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

How about one $1 trillion + problem at a time??

What's scary is we could be right back here next winter!! Listening to one of Fauci's coworkers, she said the virus will move to southern hemisphere for their winter (our summer) and return in the US when our flu season begins in late Oct. She said we actually caught a little break because of it's late start here this year, and this flu isn't going to just disappear. Next yr could actually be worse.

Remember, the 1918 Spanish flu lasted until 1920 - my 13 yr old uncle died in 1920 from the flu and dad said the whole family was sick at the time.
Interesting note: The prescription was "hot toddys" - whiskey and hot water!! Due to prohibition, the doctor wrote a prescription for whiskey to be bought at the drugstore, the only place to legally buy alcohol. Like many oldtimers, my dad (not a big drinker) always kept a bottle of whiskey by his chair in the evenings when he was sick.

 

[millerbleach]

I don't disagree, you show me a private industry that can put everyone back to work that quickly and I'll jump on board.

I'm looking to kickstart an engine that just died.

The way I look at it is, the economy was steaming along then we threw up a stop sign. If we will take the stop sign down and step on the gas the economy is the same as before. Of course, the longer we keep the stop sign up....who knows.

I am opposed to every action taken to suppress economic activity we've taken. If the leaders want to inform and advise that is fine but shut down orders are not.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

In regards to our economy..... 234 × 126

 

[3Rfan]

Yes. Read Michio Kaku's book "The Future of Humanity" and you'll totally understand why. We need to build and invest in future tech, not just on what seems most logical right this second. This is a 100 year project.

China, Russia, and India all are focusing on space, it would be imprudent for us not to. Not to mention the benefits in the long run FAR outweigh the potential detriments.

Talk about a waste of money! We can't even fix the stuff that wrong with the country/world we live in, why the hell would we wanna spend bazillions to get to the moon or anywhere else?

 

[Veerman_12]

Talk about a waste of money! We can't even fix the stuff that wrong with the country/world we live in, why the hell would we wanna spend bazillions to get to the moon or anywhere else?

Read the book. I'm not interested in trying to educate trolls.

 

[Draftpik]

Let's kill two birds with one stone with a massive infrastructure works project.

Upgrade an aging and much in need infrastructure and put people back to work in mass numbers.

Create a temporary (5-10 year) jobs/training program that pays $20 minimum wage with regular raises and/or tuition assistance/forgiveness. People can walk away with good job experience, training, potentially a degree and/or less debt.

My biggest concern is the people currently in office have a serious lack of foresight. They (Trump) will want a 20th century refurbishing for a 21st century world.

They would do well to focus on:

Smart cities/grids
- "Smart" asphalt
- self repairing asphalt
- updating the power grid
- focus on sustainability/renewable energy
- robotics/AI

Transportation
- Autonomous vehicles
- "Bullet" trains
- MagLev trains
- Hyperloop

National Security
- Build the Wall
- Drone and camera system to help monitor the wall.

Space/Space Exploration
- Permanent Moon Base
- Asteroid mining
- Mars Base
- Europa/Enceladus/Ganymede/Titan exploration (easier with Mars base)


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.govtech.com/fs/Data-is-the-New-Asphalt-Why-Colorado-Decided-to-Become-an-Early-Smart-Pavement-Tester.html?AMP

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.interestingengineering.com/self-healing-roads-last-80-years

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...tely-needs-upgrades-handle-climate-change/amp

https://hyperloop-one.com/

I think we should explore the unknown. That's our responsibility. It's what we are called to do. I believe the ancients wrote stories in many forms that call us to seek the unknown. If you read the bible in the context of literature, the story of Abraham is in nutshell, a call to seek the unknown.

 

[Veerman_12]

I think we should explore the unknown. That's our responsibility. It's what we are called to do. I believe the ancients wrote stories any many forms that call us to seek the unknown. If you read the bible in the context of literature, the story of Abraham is in nutshell, a call to seek the unknown.

Thank you.

I wish people weren't so focused and fixated on the space stuff. That should be concurrent, but probably later than the rest of the things on that list. Space is like year 3 of that 5 year plan.

 

[3Rfan]

Thank you.

I wish people weren't so focused and fixated on the space stuff. That should be concurrent, but probably later than the rest of the things on that list. Space is like year 3 of that 5 year plan.

We were broke BEFORE the virus money bills came along to keep us afloat, where does all this grand exploration money come from? We can't even fix the infrastructure we have on earth we sure can't spend money on world!

 

[Veerman_12]

We were broke BEFORE the virus money bills came along to keep us afloat, where does all this grand exploration money come from? We can't even fix the infrastructure we have on earth we sure can't spend money on world!

Is that supposed to make sense?

 

[Texascap]

We were broke BEFORE the virus money bills came along to keep us afloat, where does all this grand exploration money come from? We can't even fix the infrastructure we have on earth we sure can't spend money on world!

If you can put a car on a rocket and blast it into space, anything is possible. Tesla
I love JFK when I think of what he did for the space program. Greatest Democrat President ever IMO. We need to this now more than ever.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

We don’t need that. Trump has feelings instead of plans.

What a precise genius
I think the economy is going to do very well. Now that’s just my feeling. It’s a strong feeling. I’ve had good, proper feelings about a lot of things over the years,” President Trump says when asked what he would tell Americans worried about the economy.

Duck, get over it. Bernie dropped out.

 

[millerbleach]

Duck, get over it. Bernie dropped out.

Stop it.....Biden is his man! Oh wait, in a former identity he said he couldn't vote for Biden. Maybe that is the real reason for the new identity?

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

Stop it.....Biden is his man! Oh wait, in a former identity he said he couldn't vote for Biden. Maybe that is the real reason for the new identity?

you are too stupid to figure out who I am.
This is comical.

in the mean time our streets and bridges all over this country are in disrepair. Over 30 million have no health insurance. Our government is 20 trillion in debt and the pseudo intellectual wants to talk about mining asteroids because he read a book once.

 

[SadButTrue]

They're idiots, you aren't Duck and neither am I, but Duck has got to be having a big laugh at their stupidity. Bahahaha

 

[Veerman_12]

Since people can't get past the space program, does anyone have any thoughts on the stuff here on earth?

Smart cities/grids
- "Smart" asphalt
- self repairing asphalt
- updating the power grid
- focus on sustainability/renewable energy
- robotics/AI

Transportation
- Autonomous vehicles
- "Bullet" trains
- MagLev trains
- Hyperloop

National Security
- Build the Wall
- Drone and camera system to help monitor the wall.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Since people can't get past the space program, does anyone have any thoughts on the stuff here on earth?

Smart cities/grids
- "Smart" asphalt
- self repairing asphalt
- updating the power grid
- focus on sustainability/renewable energy
- robotics/AI

Transportation
- Autonomous vehicles
- "Bullet" trains
- MagLev trains
- Hyperloop

National Security
- Build the Wall
- Drone and camera system to help monitor the wall.

Let the private market invest in autonomous vehicles. Trains are wastes of money in the US. The wall is silly and always has been, and it's also small potatoes (not really on the scale of other items)

Improving utility infrastructure is generally best funded via higher electric bills, not via Federal pork.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Agree agree with Neutron except for wall. Government is the best way to waste money and drag out a project.

 

[Veerman_12]

Let the private market invest in autonomous vehicles. Trains are wastes of money in the US. The wall is silly and always has been, and it's also small potatoes (not really on the scale of other items)

Improving utility infrastructure is generally best funded via higher electric bills, not via Federal pork.

High speed rail is literally used frequently in other industrialized countries. If people had a way to get from St. Louis to Kansas City in an hour or so (bullet train, hyperloop) how does that potentially affect the economy of both cities?

It definitely increases people's job opportunities by reducing travel.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

High speed rail is literally used frequently in other industrialized countries. If people had a way to get from St. Louis to Kansas City in an hour or so (bullet train, hyperloop) how does that potentially affect the economy of both cities?

It definitely increases people's job opportunities by reducing travel.

Have you looked into the high speed rail they tried to run in California. Total failure.

 

[Neutron Monster]

High speed rail is literally used frequently in other industrialized countries. If people had a way to get from St. Louis to Kansas City in an hour or so (bullet train, hyperloop) how does that potentially affect the economy of both cities?

It definitely increases people's job opportunities by reducing travel.

Because it would cost an insane amount of money relative to the value:

- Most of the US is much more spread out than the core of Western Europe. Germany has 80+ million people in a land area smaller than Montana. It really only makes sense to build this out in the Northeast or other dense places like that
- Our passenger rail network is far behind; you'd have to spend so much to build something useful. We optimized our rail lines for cargo over the last 50+ years.
- Gas is a lot cheaper here, plus our interstates are good
- Plane tickets are super cheap in a world with sub $50 oil and discount carriers

High speed train is generally a horrific proposal from an EV standpoint, and it receives far, far too much attention from serious people.

 

[Veerman_12]

Have you looked into the high speed rail they tried to run in California. Total failure.

California.

That's all that needs to be said.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Government run project. California wanted this to work so bad!

California.

That's all that needs to be said.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Side note: I’m surprised I didn’t need get destroyed for skepticism on the moon landing. ... I agree the collective silence of what would be those who might know if the biggest obstacle in that view.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Side note: I’m surprised I didn’t need get destroyed for skepticism on the moon landing. ... I agree the collective silence of what would be those who might know if the biggest obstacle in that view.

I think we’ve been there done that on the moon. In general, space should be the domain of AI. The costs to ensure space vehicles are capable of sustaining human life are awfully high as a part of the total project cost.

 

[3Rfan]

Is that supposed to make sense?

What doesn't make sense about where is the money coming from all this grand space BS?! We better learn how to keep living on THIS planet before we try going to others.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I think we’ve been there done that on the moon. In general, space should be the domain of AI. The costs to ensure space vehicles are capable of sustaining human life are awfully high as a part of the total project cost.

Especially since space landers were made of tin foil, and we somehow lost the telemetry data to get back.... don’t have the ability to go there now.

Just saying...