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Moberly vs. Fulton???
- Thread starter Braves08
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The first goal was Hernandez but it was actually inadvertently headed by a Fulton player and redirected past the goalie. The second was Bryson, and yes it was a ripoff free kick, Bryson pushed a guy down, then fell over him and the Fulton guy got called for tripping. They basically got a corner-type kick from a much better angle and were able to get it by on the header. Both cheap goals, but that's how soccer goes sometimes.
Would be curious to know who selects the refs for these games. There was an excellent crew there for semis, two really good young refs who were really on top of the game and kept it very honest, but they were nowhere around for the championship, which was a crying shame, as they were some of the best I've seen. The center for this game was way in over his head, could not run and was never able to keep up with the speed of these two teams (not sure he ever got more than twenty yards away from the midline) and didn't see much of what was going on, allowing Moberly to capitalize on their very "physical" (nice word for it) style. It was nearly half before they were called for anything at all, which did not bode well for a smaller, finesse-style Fulton team.
However, the breaks were there for Moberly, they had the style of play they needed to get by, they move on, and good luck to them.
Would be curious to know who selects the refs for these games. There was an excellent crew there for semis, two really good young refs who were really on top of the game and kept it very honest, but they were nowhere around for the championship, which was a crying shame, as they were some of the best I've seen. The center for this game was way in over his head, could not run and was never able to keep up with the speed of these two teams (not sure he ever got more than twenty yards away from the midline) and didn't see much of what was going on, allowing Moberly to capitalize on their very "physical" (nice word for it) style. It was nearly half before they were called for anything at all, which did not bode well for a smaller, finesse-style Fulton team.
However, the breaks were there for Moberly, they had the style of play they needed to get by, they move on, and good luck to them.
You may not be a fan of Moberly, but there is no need to call a goal "cheap" when a good shot deflected off of a defender and a player "rips" a shot (as you say). Good things happen when you shoot and 100% of the shots never taken are always missed.
Give Moberly credit (or not if you prefer), they shutdown one of the most dangerous offensive, and under-rated, teams in Class 2. To deny Fulton as a dominating and successful team is ridiculous, but to then call Moberly's win last night "cheap" because they scored 2 goal when Fulton scored none and because they are a "physical" (great implication that you mean dirty) team is completely asinine. And then to blame it on a referee...come on...
The NCMC was a battle this year and once again so was the district, nothing less than what was ever expected. Congratulations to all of the teams and all of the players this year.
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Give Moberly credit (or not if you prefer), they shutdown one of the most dangerous offensive, and under-rated, teams in Class 2. To deny Fulton as a dominating and successful team is ridiculous, but to then call Moberly's win last night "cheap" because they scored 2 goal when Fulton scored none and because they are a "physical" (great implication that you mean dirty) team is completely asinine. And then to blame it on a referee...come on...
The NCMC was a battle this year and once again so was the district, nothing less than what was ever expected. Congratulations to all of the teams and all of the players this year.
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My daughter is a soccer player. Played in H.S. and college. We still go to all the games we can. The center ref they had at the game between Moberly and Fulton was ref for a lot of her games when she was playing H.S. soccer. He never knew what was really going on then either as he could not even hope to keep up with the play due to his wt. In reality anyone that overweight cannot run and keep up with the play, and so cannot really know what is going on. Unfortunately, things like that end up affecting the outcome, but that's just part of soccer. Both teams have great players and skills. In the end it prob. comes down to how they handle the pressure and the ability of their coaches to teach and direct them.
I will say that moberly had some good cross runs to the flag then putting the ball back in the middle and having many scoring opp. and fulton just wouldn't play to the corner. They just kept trying to go up the middle to break 5 defenders and 4 midfielders. That was a mental breakdown on the part of fulton.
Sorry if you disagree with the word "cheap". It's used only to describe goals that were not the result of any great plays or sustained pressure by the team, but rather a lucky break by the defense accidentally scoring the first one (the keeper would have easily had the ball and no offensive players were even in the immediate area), and a poor call that provided a big break (the word "ripped" was just borrowed from the other poster, it was actually lofted (granted, a nice loft from a great angle because of the call)). Actually, the goal against Warrenton also falls into this category, as the goalie had it but it slipped through his hands and legs. Sometimes, like the White Sox in baseball this fall, a team gets by and is able to profit by a combination of timing and good fortune. That's the nature of the game, and if you're the team that benefits, more power to you.
No one is denying Fulton's success, or that either team is fast and/or talented. However, it's a lot easier to shut down a very dangerous and successful team if you are permitted complete license to put your hands and the rest of your body all over them with impunity, and in these types of situations, the smaller team is at a big disadvantage. If you read earlier posts on this board, you will find that there is a good consensus that Moberly plays this way. It would have been great to have had a good center for just one of these games this year, but unfortunately that was not the case. For the district championship, you would expect to have the best referees available, and not someone unable to cover the field adequately. At the least, this guy should have put on the line and one of the other guys at center.
Under the best of circumstances, the soccer center ref position is really almost impossible to do well unless you are extremely fast and really know what you're doing out there. This fact can be easily exploited by a team that wants to do so. There should be some discussion of getting side refs more involved in calling fouls, etc. For some reason, most rarely do anything other than line calls and an occasional offsides, and that is too much of a burden on a center. They need to give those guys a whistle and encourage them to get more aggressive in stopping some of the abuse. Other sports have more refs and do not put the whole game on one guy. Basketball has at least two, both covering a lot smaller area and a lot fewer players. Baseball likewise. Football has at least four and they get to be set before every play. Soccer needs to find a way to make good officiating not such a rarity as it currently is.
No one is denying Fulton's success, or that either team is fast and/or talented. However, it's a lot easier to shut down a very dangerous and successful team if you are permitted complete license to put your hands and the rest of your body all over them with impunity, and in these types of situations, the smaller team is at a big disadvantage. If you read earlier posts on this board, you will find that there is a good consensus that Moberly plays this way. It would have been great to have had a good center for just one of these games this year, but unfortunately that was not the case. For the district championship, you would expect to have the best referees available, and not someone unable to cover the field adequately. At the least, this guy should have put on the line and one of the other guys at center.
Under the best of circumstances, the soccer center ref position is really almost impossible to do well unless you are extremely fast and really know what you're doing out there. This fact can be easily exploited by a team that wants to do so. There should be some discussion of getting side refs more involved in calling fouls, etc. For some reason, most rarely do anything other than line calls and an occasional offsides, and that is too much of a burden on a center. They need to give those guys a whistle and encourage them to get more aggressive in stopping some of the abuse. Other sports have more refs and do not put the whole game on one guy. Basketball has at least two, both covering a lot smaller area and a lot fewer players. Baseball likewise. Football has at least four and they get to be set before every play. Soccer needs to find a way to make good officiating not such a rarity as it currently is.
I don't know if I am the only one that feels this way...maybe I am the only person reading these posts who (as of this point) has played beyond high school, but soccer is a physical game, it always has been and always will be, and to claim that a team is dirty because they play physically - running through a 50/50 ball, fighting for positioning, sticking a tackle with force, and shielding - is, to me, a very poor excuse. And it is just that, an excuse. Watch a college game...even the girls are very physical; it happens whenever you get people on the field who are competative and give a damn about what they are working for.
Quit crying about the loss...whining isn't going to bring Fulton back into the sectional competition. Instead, congratulate the players (whomever they are) for having a great season (one of Fulton's best I believe).
Next year, ask all of the players who move on to play collegiate soccer how physically demanding the game is and I bet you will find that what you are complaining about now is, in all actuality, a very soft level of play.
Quit crying about the loss...whining isn't going to bring Fulton back into the sectional competition. Instead, congratulate the players (whomever they are) for having a great season (one of Fulton's best I believe).
Next year, ask all of the players who move on to play collegiate soccer how physically demanding the game is and I bet you will find that what you are complaining about now is, in all actuality, a very soft level of play.
I couldn't agree with you more. I've seen the games he was talking about, and they weren't even that physical. And to me nothing going on wasn't happening on both sides of the ball. Both teams played hard. He needs to quit making excuses. Both teams played very hard, Moberly just came out on top. Thats the way it happens sometimes GET OVER IT.
There are no excuses, simply a statement of how things went down. Fulton had their opportunities and the breaks were simply not there for them on this occasion, while they were for Moberly, or else this would have been an OT game, still probably decided by a key break or by how long the smaller team could survive. Good luck to them, maybe their luck will continue.
However, that does not change the fact that a district championship game should have been officiated by the best, and it was not. HIGH SCHOOL
rules were supposed to rule, not college (and it's too bad if college ball really is that dirty) and weak, out of position officiating was exploited. Hey, you can't blame a team for taking whatever they can get, and they did, it worked, and that was the story of the game.
The difference between the semis and the championship game could not have been more striking, as the semis were extremely clean games, and this one was not. As all the posts have said, that is indeed the way things happen sometimes and everyone is over it, so you don't need to be so defensive.
However, that does not change the fact that a district championship game should have been officiated by the best, and it was not. HIGH SCHOOL
rules were supposed to rule, not college (and it's too bad if college ball really is that dirty) and weak, out of position officiating was exploited. Hey, you can't blame a team for taking whatever they can get, and they did, it worked, and that was the story of the game.
The difference between the semis and the championship game could not have been more striking, as the semis were extremely clean games, and this one was not. As all the posts have said, that is indeed the way things happen sometimes and everyone is over it, so you don't need to be so defensive.
It's very sad to stay but the inconsistency happens all over the state with the ref's.
In 2 of the District games St. Pius had the same field ref. In the game against a weak St. Joe Benton team, after Ooten scored at least 5 of his goals, this ref hugged and congratulated him on the field during the game. During the Kearney game the same field ref patted him on the back several times during the game. It appeared that he was encouraging him.
Ooten gets very frustrated when he is covered and can't get loose. Watch for his cleats up in your face.
For Moberly's sake - hopefully Pius can't bring this ref (I believe Anthony) with them to Marshall. We heard several fans from various teams in the bleachers shouting "Do you go to mass with them on Sundays too?" What ref in their right mind would be so visibly blatant about who you know and who you favor? (by the way several fans have this on tape)
In 2 of the District games St. Pius had the same field ref. In the game against a weak St. Joe Benton team, after Ooten scored at least 5 of his goals, this ref hugged and congratulated him on the field during the game. During the Kearney game the same field ref patted him on the back several times during the game. It appeared that he was encouraging him.
Ooten gets very frustrated when he is covered and can't get loose. Watch for his cleats up in your face.
For Moberly's sake - hopefully Pius can't bring this ref (I believe Anthony) with them to Marshall. We heard several fans from various teams in the bleachers shouting "Do you go to mass with them on Sundays too?" What ref in their right mind would be so visibly blatant about who you know and who you favor? (by the way several fans have this on tape)
It's very sad to stay but the inconsistency happens all over the state with the ref's.
In 2 of the District games St. Pius had the same field ref. In the game against a weak St. Joe Benton team, after Ooten scored at least 5 of his goals, this ref hugged and congratulated him on the field during the game. During the Kearney game the same field ref patted him on the back several times during the game. It appeared that he was encouraging him.
Ooten gets very frustrated when he is covered and can't get loose. Watch for his cleats up in your face.
For Moberly's sake - hopefully Pius can't bring this ref (I believe Anthony) with them to Marshall. We heard several fans from various teams in the bleachers shouting "Do you go to mass with them on Sundays too?" What ref in their right mind would be so visibly blatant about who you know and who you favor? (by the way several fans have this on tape)
In 2 of the District games St. Pius had the same field ref. In the game against a weak St. Joe Benton team, after Ooten scored at least 5 of his goals, this ref hugged and congratulated him on the field during the game. During the Kearney game the same field ref patted him on the back several times during the game. It appeared that he was encouraging him.
Ooten gets very frustrated when he is covered and can't get loose. Watch for his cleats up in your face.
For Moberly's sake - hopefully Pius can't bring this ref (I believe Anthony) with them to Marshall. We heard several fans from various teams in the bleachers shouting "Do you go to mass with them on Sundays too?" What ref in their right mind would be so visibly blatant about who you know and who you favor? (by the way several fans have this on tape)
It is interesting how many people can view the same game and see it differently.
As I had posted in another thread, a pat does not necessarily mean favoritism.
You should review your film when you have cooled off and can watch objectively.
Congratulations to Moberly on their district championship.
As I had posted in another thread, a pat does not necessarily mean favoritism.
You should review your film when you have cooled off and can watch objectively.
Congratulations to Moberly on their district championship.
I'm not trying to start anything by this post but from past experience of watching Moberly soccer with the center ref that they had on Thursday night, the guy doesn't like Moberly. Usually he would call everything against us and the exact same thing may happen with the other and he won't call it. He is usually very one sided, or so it would seem to some fans. And also, the game was pysical from both sides, it wasn't just Moberly. There were times when there were 3 or 4 Fulton players on one Moberly player and there was quite a lot of pushing, shoving, etc.
knob...
fluffy obviously has some MAJOR issues with Pius. Fluffy is new to mosports but I would bet that almost all of the posts is about Pius. How many negative posts will it take to finally get it off his/her chest? lol Fluffy needs to get over the obsession..1st, Pius runs up the score, then the ref is showing favoritism. Next it will be that the head of MSHSAA is a players dad! lol
fluffy obviously has some MAJOR issues with Pius. Fluffy is new to mosports but I would bet that almost all of the posts is about Pius. How many negative posts will it take to finally get it off his/her chest? lol Fluffy needs to get over the obsession..1st, Pius runs up the score, then the ref is showing favoritism. Next it will be that the head of MSHSAA is a players dad! lol
Re: knob...
Okay - I'll bite. Is it necessary to have 2 of you gang up on me?
Anything's possible!
Was hoping to see more Kansas City area teams make it to the final four. Better yet, public schools.
Go Blue Springs South!!
How long has Knob been a member? Wish I would of found out about this post years ago.
Okay - I'll bite. Is it necessary to have 2 of you gang up on me?
Anything's possible!
Was hoping to see more Kansas City area teams make it to the final four. Better yet, public schools.
Go Blue Springs South!!
How long has Knob been a member? Wish I would of found out about this post years ago.
Re: knob...
Gang up? I have read all of your posts and a majority of them are negative to St. Pius or their players. You obviously do have a problem with St. Pius. Now has any St. Pius supportor said anything derogatory toward the school that you support (Excelsior Springs)? The only posts that were directed toward you were in defense of St. Pius school, facts that you were not aware, defense of a referee, and defense of St. Pius soccer players. All of which you had some negative remarks about. So when you make drive by posts for the world to see, expect a response.
KCPC is right, your rookie posts show that you didn't think somebody from St. Pius would be viewing your posts.
I see your colors are starting to show as you have a problem with private schools, as you would rather see a public school win over a private school. So is that your only problem with Pius... private school.
Yes, I am also a rookie poster, but know enough that I will get strong emotional responses from strong emotional responses.
Gang up? I have read all of your posts and a majority of them are negative to St. Pius or their players. You obviously do have a problem with St. Pius. Now has any St. Pius supportor said anything derogatory toward the school that you support (Excelsior Springs)? The only posts that were directed toward you were in defense of St. Pius school, facts that you were not aware, defense of a referee, and defense of St. Pius soccer players. All of which you had some negative remarks about. So when you make drive by posts for the world to see, expect a response.
KCPC is right, your rookie posts show that you didn't think somebody from St. Pius would be viewing your posts.
I see your colors are starting to show as you have a problem with private schools, as you would rather see a public school win over a private school. So is that your only problem with Pius... private school.
Yes, I am also a rookie poster, but know enough that I will get strong emotional responses from strong emotional responses.
Re: knob...
It has really shed some light on understanding the private schools and the multiplier. It also makes sense now as to why Pius does primarily play Class 1 & 2 Schools. Not sure who is in Pius's Conference?
Why wouldn't there by any Pius people posting? I would expect there to be.... Most people who do post play the game of soccer.
I have supported for many years Smithville, Kearney, ES, Liberty, Oak Park etc., and have played as a kid in club with and against a lot of these guys. Support ES and others, yes - go a little further south......
Do we support Public Schools more, yes - for the most part St. Louis & Private schools have dominated - from our point of view, it would be nice to see some of the public schools do well & get some recognition, and show that they are capable too.
It has really shed some light on understanding the private schools and the multiplier. It also makes sense now as to why Pius does primarily play Class 1 & 2 Schools. Not sure who is in Pius's Conference?
Why wouldn't there by any Pius people posting? I would expect there to be.... Most people who do post play the game of soccer.
I have supported for many years Smithville, Kearney, ES, Liberty, Oak Park etc., and have played as a kid in club with and against a lot of these guys. Support ES and others, yes - go a little further south......
Do we support Public Schools more, yes - for the most part St. Louis & Private schools have dominated - from our point of view, it would be nice to see some of the public schools do well & get some recognition, and show that they are capable too.
Re: knob...
St. Pius' 2nd year in the West Central Conference and is only SPX's 6th year for soccer.
Well, ES did do well last year and got excellent recognition. So why such a problem with St. Pius?
I too am a supporter of soccer of the northland schools and was actually hoping ES would go all the way last year.
I didn't realize you were a player. Did you get the opportunity to be on last year's team?
I'm not a player, just a dad sticking up for the school and players.
St. Pius' 2nd year in the West Central Conference and is only SPX's 6th year for soccer.
Well, ES did do well last year and got excellent recognition. So why such a problem with St. Pius?
I too am a supporter of soccer of the northland schools and was actually hoping ES would go all the way last year.
I didn't realize you were a player. Did you get the opportunity to be on last year's team?
I'm not a player, just a dad sticking up for the school and players.
Re: knob...
Yes I am a player but unfortunately was not a member of the Ex. Spgs team. Sure wish I could have been! They had all the right players at the right time.
I did make it down to the District Championship last year. The behavior of the Pius players after the game is probably what put a sour taste in my mouth about them.
It's time to move on....
Yes I am a player but unfortunately was not a member of the Ex. Spgs team. Sure wish I could have been! They had all the right players at the right time.
I did make it down to the District Championship last year. The behavior of the Pius players after the game is probably what put a sour taste in my mouth about them.
It's time to move on....
Re: Let me add
Marshall beat Pius pretty soundly in the 2003 sectionals. The next season Pius played in the Marshall tournament and when Pisciotta (sp?) scored to put Pius ahead of Marshall he pulled his shirt over his head (supposedly an automatic red card that he didn't get) then proceeded to run directly in front of the Marshall fans, stop, and make a gesture that's hard to describe. Lets say both hands went to his crotch.
I would've expected their coach to at least take him out for a minute or even tell him to tone it down, but it's the same coach that allowed his player to drop 10 goals on a team this season.
Maybe the players are a direct reflection of the coaching they receive.
Marshall beat Pius pretty soundly in the 2003 sectionals. The next season Pius played in the Marshall tournament and when Pisciotta (sp?) scored to put Pius ahead of Marshall he pulled his shirt over his head (supposedly an automatic red card that he didn't get) then proceeded to run directly in front of the Marshall fans, stop, and make a gesture that's hard to describe. Lets say both hands went to his crotch.
I would've expected their coach to at least take him out for a minute or even tell him to tone it down, but it's the same coach that allowed his player to drop 10 goals on a team this season.
Maybe the players are a direct reflection of the coaching they receive.
Re: Great response.................................
Okay, maybe you misunderstood my response. It is easy enough to know that you don't the players or coach by the comments you have been making. I suspect you are from Marshall now living in the Kansas City area. I can't help that you still hold on to a win from 2 years ago.
Okay, maybe you misunderstood my response. It is easy enough to know that you don't the players or coach by the comments you have been making. I suspect you are from Marshall now living in the Kansas City area. I can't help that you still hold on to a win from 2 years ago.
Re: Great response.................................
wrong again Knobby. Never have or ever will live in Marshall.
Nobody is holding on to any wins, I merely cited examples of "good sportsmanship" on behalf of Pius, one from this year and one from last year.
wrong again Knobby. Never have or ever will live in Marshall.
Nobody is holding on to any wins, I merely cited examples of "good sportsmanship" on behalf of Pius, one from this year and one from last year.
Re: Great response.................................
So, I guessed wrong on where you from. That doesn't really bother me. Why don't you just say where you are from, instead of hiding behind the message posts. I'm not asking you to reveal your identity, just what school you went to, or which school you had an immediate family member attend. If you don't have a school that you are affiliated with you are just wasting your time on this board.
By the way your two points of poor sportsmanship have been addressed in other threads and you are way behind and this thread is getting way too long and boring to be discussing it here.
So, I guessed wrong on where you from. That doesn't really bother me. Why don't you just say where you are from, instead of hiding behind the message posts. I'm not asking you to reveal your identity, just what school you went to, or which school you had an immediate family member attend. If you don't have a school that you are affiliated with you are just wasting your time on this board.
By the way your two points of poor sportsmanship have been addressed in other threads and you are way behind and this thread is getting way too long and boring to be discussing it here.
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