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Mizzou search for coach..Odom not looking that bad now.

Duck_walk said:
Legit SEC assistants are not cheap.
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Totally agree and is Mizzou willing to step up and pay a big time coach along with the assistants he will want to bring in? If not I would have rather kept Odom, I think with some time he would have gotten better. He was better than some of the coaches we suffered thru in the late 80's and early 90's.
 
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Well signing day is less than 2 months away, so they need to make a move sooner rather than later. Maybe Jim Sterk is just planning on personally handing out scholarships to kids during the games today and tomorrow.
 
Scrags said:
Well signing day is less than 2 months away, so they need to make a move sooner rather than later. Maybe Jim Sterk is just planning on personally handing out scholarships to kids during the games today and tomorrow.
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Are the Board of Trustees going to recommend we up our pay so we can attract the coach they want along with the type of assistants they will demand?

Otherwise the firing of Odom might bring us back to the glory days of Woody and Stull.
 
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bullitpdq68 said:
Totally agree and is Mizzou willing to step up and pay a big time coach along with the assistants he will want to bring in? If not I would have rather kept Odom, I think with some time he would have gotten better. He was better than some of the coaches we suffered thru in the late 80's and early 90's.
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Bullit, I agree he was better than some of those we suffered through and I don't dislike him personally but lets face the truths. First, he was a terrible at evaluating coaching abilities of coordinators and assistants; i.e., he made some really sucky hires. Second, the glaring lack of game preparation plagued us all year and was evident as early as the Wyoming game. Third, he completely lost this team and they played with little emotion and effort the last half of the season. Good coaches do not lose teams. They may lose, but only after a spirited fight to the end. I would have settled for that but we didn't get it. You can't blame the lack of effort and execution on injuries. If you haven't developed more depth than that then you need to get out of the SEC and go D-III. Rant over, carry on.
 
Missouri Kid said:
Bullit, I agree he was better than some of those we suffered through and I don't dislike him personally but lets face the truths. First, he was a terrible at evaluating coaching abilities of coordinators and assistants; i.e., he made some really sucky hires. Second, the glaring lack of game preparation plagued us all year and was evident as early as the Wyoming game. Third, he completely lost this team and they played with little emotion and effort the last half of the season. Good coaches do not lose teams. They may lose, but only after a spirited fight to the end. I would have settled for that but we didn't get it. You can't blame the lack of effort and execution on injuries. If you haven't developed more depth than that then you need to get out of the SEC and go D-III. Rant over, carry on.
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Part of me wants to agree with you. But he was just 4 years on the job and I felt his recruiting was getting better. Alot of us forget what a train wreck the program was when he took over. He was making inroads into St louis that had been shut out to Mizzou for a long time. Yeah this year we ended flat, but hey even Pinkle had an off year when starting out.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Part of me wants to agree with you. But he was just 4 years on the job and I felt his recruiting was getting better. Alot of us forget what a train wreck the program was when he took over. He was making inroads into St louis that had been shut out to Mizzou for a long time. Yeah this year we ended flat, but hey even Pinkle had an off year when starting out.
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Part of me wants to agree with you and I accept some of your premise as legit but when you are in that seat you have to evaluate, you have to manage, you have to lead. He didn't. Probably too loyal for his own good and the team's best interest.
 
Scrags said:
Well signing day is less than 2 months away, so they need to make a move sooner rather than later. Maybe Jim Sterk is just planning on personally handing out scholarships to kids during the games today and tomorrow.
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Early signing day is 11 days away. The majority of recruits fax in their signatures on December 18.

Mizzou is unlikely to have a coach in place by then, and if they do it will likely be what the general public considers underwhelming.

Personally, Blake Anderson, Willie Fritz, or Jeff Monken would all be excellent hires who will do more with less. They will NOT excite the fan base or win a lot of the recruiting battles the general fan feels they should be winning.

In either case, I've just accepted that recruiting this season will be even worse than usual and the top talent in the state will find it's way to Texas A&M, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Illinois.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Alot of us forget what a train wreck the program was when he took over. He was making inroads into St louis that had been shut out to Mizzou for a long time. Yeah this year we ended flat, but hey even Pinkle had an off year when starting out.
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While the campus was a dumpster fire, I don't really think the team was. I think the team always stayed pretty unified.

I will agree with you on recruiting though, by the looks of it I thought he had a pretty solid class building up for this Feb.
 
After all this I still think willie fritz is the guy I think like the scoop said with his age he wants success now and having that drive could lead to big things and hopefully big transfers
 
Duck_walk said:
Let’s be truthful. Dooley sucked. They didn’t have an imaginative offense any of the past 4 years with Odom. Despite everyone’s expectations, Lock’s numbers regressed his senior year.
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I think the main issue was that QB Bryant didn't meet expectations, albeit because of injury or just wasn't that good. None of the backup QB's were ready or talented enough either. At pretty much every level now, if you don't have a QB who can make things happen, you are in trouble.

Obviously Dooley brought more of a controlled tempo pace than Huepel did, in hopes of keeping the defense more rested. I think Dooley had success in that. I think most would agree that the OL wasn't near as solid this year as well.
 
Sometimes luck goes your way sometimes it does not. Mizzou had several unlucky breaks this year. I am not saying Odom was great, I am just saying some of the names Sterk is throwing around I don't think they are a huge upgrade over Odom. If you are going to get rid of an average coach you need to replace him with an upgrade. I think Odom could and would have gotten better as he learned.

I think Odom will be a head coach again and will win and us letting him go and not letting him grow makes us look like fools, if we don't go out and hire a huge upgrade.
 
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bullitpdq68 said:
Sometimes luck goes your way sometimes it does not. Mizzou had several unlucky breaks this year. I am not saying Odom was great, I am just saying some of the name Sterk is throwing around I don't think they are a huge upgrade from Odom. If you are going to get rid of an average coach you need to replace him with an upgrade.

I think Odom will be a head coach again and will win and us letting him go and not letting him grow makes us look like fools, if we don't go out and hire a huge upgrade.
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so what are your thoughts on Fritz or anderson
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Sometimes luck goes your way sometimes it does not. Mizzou had several unlucky breaks this year. I am not saying Odom was great, I am just saying some of the name Sterk is throwing around I don't think they are a huge upgrade from Odom. If you are going to get rid of an average coach you need to replace him with an upgrade. I think Odom could and would have gotten better as he learned.

I think Odom will be a head coach again and will win and us letting him go and not letting him grow makes us look like fools, if we don't go out and hire a huge upgrade.
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Totally agree. I can't imagine that the AD fired BO w/o having a decent plan in place of where he was going to go from there. Assuming after conf championship games this weekend maybe there will be an announcement.
 
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Mofan79 said:
so what are your thoughts on Fritz or anderson
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Fritz is 6-6 at Tulane and in 4 years his record is no better than Odom actually worse.
Anderson has done better, he does not Dazzle me, but I like him better than Fritz. But out of the three I hire Odom back.

Odom beat out several other better schools for Bryant, which tells me something about his recruiting and how he could connect with players. Sorry if Fritz is the next coach I think getting rid of Odom was a mistake. I agree with what they said, I think Mizzou forgot their place in the pecking order of football power houses.
 
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Pancho and Lefty said:
Totally agree. I can't imagine that the AD fired BO w/o having a decent plan in place of where he was going to go from there. Assuming after conf championship games this weekend maybe there will be an announcement.
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I for sure thought Odom would be given one more year to try and prove he could keep it going. He had a decent class on the hook, there is some upswing. So when Sterk let him go I was sure he was going to make a big splash in a hire and already knew what he was going to do and it was a done deal. But it looks like he had no idea what he was going to do or he just thought good coaches grew on trees.
 
Whoever we hire they need to be a great recruiter number one. We need to quit letting other schools come in and take our best talent out of state.
 
bullitpdq68 said:
Fritz is 6-6 at Tulane and in 4 years his record is no better than Odom actually worse.
Anderson has done better, he does not Dazzle me, but I like him better than Fritz. But out of the three I hire Odom back.

Odom beat out several other better schools for Bryant, which tells me something about his recruiting and how he could connect with players. Sorry if Fritz is the next coach I think getting rid of Odom was a mistake. I agree with what they said, I think Mizzou forgot their place in the pecking order of football power houses.
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Do you realize what Tulane was BEFORE Coach Fritz took over? Let's take a look at the 4 years before and after he took over.

Tulane before Fritz (15-34)

2012 - (2-10)
2013 - (7-6)
2014 - (3-9)
2015 - (3-9)

Tulane after Fritz (22-27)

2016 - (4-8)
2017 - (5-7)
2018 - (7-6)
2019 - (6-6)

Tulane is like Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, and Vanderbilt in that their academic standards are very high, making recruiting more difficult. Also the record is deceiving because in 2017 they were literally one play away from being at least 6-6. In the last 20 years of Tulane football they've had 4 non-losing seasons, 2 of them have come under Coach Fritz.

Better put some respek on his name, because he would be a tremendous upgrade.

Yeah Coach Odom may be a good coach someday and I hope he has a ton of future success, but the SEC is no place to learn on the job. This years iteration of Mizzou football was often painful to watch, the stupid personal fouls, undisciplined play, and often lackadaisical performance is the reason BO isn't here anymore. You don't see the lack of discipline on teams coach Fritz has coached and that in and of itself would be a welcome upgrade.
 
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Veerman_12 said:
Do you realize what Tulane was BEFORE Coach Fritz took over? Let's take a look at the 4 years before and after he took over.

Tulane before Fritz (15-34)

2012 - (2-10)
2013 - (7-6)
2014 - (3-9)
2015 - (3-9)

Tulane after Fritz (22-27)

2016 - (4-8)
2017 - (5-7)
2018 - (7-6)
2019 - (6-6)

Tulane is like Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, and Vanderbilt in that their academic standards are very high, making recruiting more difficult. Also the record is deceiving because in 2017 they were literally one play away from being at least 6-6. In the last 20 years of Tulane football they've had 4 non-losing seasons, 2 of them have come under Coach Fritz.

Better put some respek on his name, because he would be a tremendous upgrade.

Yeah Coach Odom may be a good coach someday and I hope he has a ton of future success, but the SEC is no place to learn on the job. This years iteration of Mizzou football was often painful to watch, the stupid personal fouls, undisciplined play, and often lackadaisical performance is the reason BO isn't here anymore. You don't see the lack of discipline on teams coach Fritz has coached and that in and of itself would be a welcome upgrade.
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Well Tulane's competition is not SEC caliber either. I am not saying he would not be a good coach, but he is about as unproven as Odom. He didn't set the world on fire.

And with a few Breaks Mizzou is 7-5 or possible 8-4 so let's not play the what ifs.
 
No way on Fritz. I will be upset if that’s the hire. Monken, not a huge fan unless he brings in a high level OC to not run the option. Would be okay with Anderson but not excited.
 
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bullitpdq68 said:
I for sure thought Odom would be given one more year to try and prove he could keep it going. He had a decent class on the hook, there is some upswing. So when Sterk let him go I was sure he was going to make a big splash in a hire and already knew what he was going to do and it was a done deal. But it looks like he had no idea what he was going to do or he just thought good coaches grew on trees.
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I wonder if the probation is curtailing some of the candidates. Loss of a few scholarships, recruiting restrictions, etc. may keep some away. The SEC is not a good conference to be on an unequal playing field with the others recruiting wise. We are already down on the pecking order, then w the restrictions even more so.

Of course, none of us are in the office when they are making these decisions. Have to just wait and see.
 
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Well Tulane's competition is not SEC caliber either. I am not saying he would not be a good coach, but he is about as unproven as Odom. He didn't set the world on fire.

And with a few Breaks Mizzou is 7-5 or possible 8-4 so let's not play the what ifs.
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Nothing is SEC caliber but everything is scaleable. What he's done is essentially a more impressive version of what James Franklin did at Vanderbilt.

Hire Fritz and the floor is 7-5, 8-4, the ceiling could be playoff appearances depending on how he recruits.

Who do you suggest they hire?
 
Pancho and Lefty said:
Obviously Dooley brought more of a controlled tempo pace than Huepel did, in hopes of keeping the defense more rested. I think Dooley had success in that. I think most would agree that the OL wasn't near as solid this year as well.
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All Dooley brought was the Cowboys playbook Linehan gave him. Then he just flipped through it and randomly picked plays. Dude's playcalling was atrocious. Zero creativity or imagination. He adapted to NOTHING, EVER. Injuries, poor line, different QBs...same crap. He's awful and is what got Odom fired.
 
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Pancho and Lefty said:
Totally agree. I can't imagine that the AD fired BO w/o having a decent plan in place of where he was going to go from there. Assuming after conf championship games this weekend maybe there will be an announcement.
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That better be the case if Sterk wants to keep his job. If that's not the case, I bet he's gone before the first 2020 football game. Cuonzo is continuing the dumpster fire that is the basketball program. If this hire goes poorly, Sterk deserves the axe. Then you're going to have another mismatched football coach/AD situation. I hope your theory is correct. I'm afraid it probably isn't.
 
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Veerman_12 said:
Nothing is SEC caliber but everything is scaleable. What he's done is essentially a more impressive version of what James Franklin did at Vanderbilt.

Hire Fritz and the floor is 7-5, 8-4, the ceiling could be playoff appearances depending on how he recruits.

Who do you suggest they hire?
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Well if I was them I would not have fired Odom, I would have given him one more year. I would have told him him find a new OC.

however that is not what happened so MIZZOU just found out that all that is going to come to Mizzou is another Odom type Coach. They are not going to go out and make an upgrade hire.
 
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bullitpdq68 said:
Well if I was them I would not have fired Odom, I would have given him one more year. I would have told him him find a new OC.

however that is not what happened so MIZZOU just found out that all that is going to come to Mizzou is another Odom type Coach. They are not going to go out and make an upgrade hire.
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If you don't see that Fritz, Anderson, Monken (proven winners) are huge upgrades, idk what to tell you.

Yeah Dooley didn't help things, but that's ultimately not what got Odom fired. Losing to Wyoming, Vandy, Kentucky, and not just losing to them but looking totally unprepared, totally undisciplined, and being utterly outcoached in those games is why he was fired.

Giving him one more year doesn't fix those things.
 
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Veerman_12 said:
If you don't see that Fritz, Anderson, Monken (proven winners) are huge upgrades, idk what to tell you.

Yeah Dooley didn't help things, but that's ultimately not what got Odom fired. Losing to Wyoming, Vandy, Kentucky, and not just losing to them but looking totally unprepared, totally undisciplined, and being utterly outcoached in those games is why he was fired.

Giving him one more year doesn't fix those things.
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We shall see, I still remember them firing Warren Powers so they could upgrade to Woody, you saw what happened there.
 
You got to think what your going to get before you fire someone, also what other schools are open that you have to compete against for candidates, and you will lose commitments that were going with that coach.
 
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