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[thegoldenboy55]

Did some quick math this morning. Out of 400 total minutes from National Championship game, 140 of them were logged by kids from Missouri (I threw the Braun kid in there too). That's 35% from one state. I know we've beaten a dead horse about the Missouri kids in state, so I'm going to go a different direction. Is Missouri grossly under-recruited on a national level?

BTW, if you don't include Braun, it's still 100 minutes (25%)

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

I don't think it's under recruited at all. There's tons of MO kids playing around the country at D-1 level, many more below. They just don't get the press. If anything I think we're "over" recruited and getting poached more than we should be.

Or it is the lack of the Mizzou coaches being interested in kids.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Or it is the lack of the Mizzou coaches being interested in kids.

Or the lack of support for Mizzou from residents to help steer the talent to Mizzou

 

[Razzy417]

Mizzou is being recruited heavily because they know the best players aren't keen on going to Mizzou these days and they will go anywhere in the country

 

[Pure Swing]

Mizzou is being recruited heavily because they know the best players aren't keen on going to Mizzou these days and they will go anywhere in the country

you know, sometimes a kid just wants to go somewhere else, Shaw could have gone anywhere, he picked Mizzou.

 

[Razzy417]

you know, sometimes a kid just wants to go somewhere else, Shaw could have gone anywhere, he picked Mizzou.

I get that, but my point is simply that Mizzou has not landed many if any top players from within the state in quite some time, whereas they used to do that when Norm was there and even when Snyder and Mike Anderson were there to an extent. MIchael Porter is about the only one I can think of in recent years, and he got hurt, played all of 2 or 3 games, then bolted to the League.

 

[mowesten]

Did some quick math this morning. Out of 400 total minutes from National Championship game, 140 of them were logged by kids from Missouri (I threw the Braun kid in there too). That's 35% from one state. I know we've beaten a dead horse about the Missouri kids in state, so I'm going to go a different direction. Is Missouri grossly under-recruited on a national level?

BTW, if you don't include Braun, it's still 100 minutes (25%)

No.

The kids in that game, Braun and Love, we’re recruited heavily and had offers from tons of schools. Teams came in late on Harris and Obaji (so), but when kids are at blue blood programs they weren’t overlooked otherwise they wouldn’t be there.

Missouri has had its fair share of players who were highly recruited, who made the NBA and some who flew under the radar, and might have been able to play at a little higher level, some busts and some surprises.

I agree that in some cases there are kids who were over-recruited. I could name a bunch of examples of kids who went to a much higher level than they really belonged — including a few in last years senior class.

Sometimes, recruiting highly regarded in state kids doesn’t really work out well. Too much pressure and fans have a relationship with the player and immediately think if he’s not performing it’s not because maybe the kid isn’t that good — but because the coach is not using him properly or some other nonsense.

Missouri has about the same percentage of players in the NBA and D1 basketball per its population as is the standard in relation to other states — and has actually been slightly higher at times.

The issue at Mizzou, IMO, has been an over-correction from the FH days. They went with two guys who were perceived to be in the church choir, and sometimes you need someone who is in the trenches to get things done.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

you know, sometimes a kid just wants to go somewhere else, Shaw could have gone anywhere, he picked Mizzou.

Anywhere is a stretch. Sure, KU offered. But he’s a project there probably. He’s a good get, but let’s not pretend he could’ve picked anyplace and gone there. That will happen after he averages about 10 and 5 next year.

 

[Pure Swing]

I get that, but my point is simply that Mizzou has not landed many if any top players from within the state in quite some time, whereas they used to do that when Norm was there and even when Snyder and Mike Anderson were there to an extent. MIchael Porter is about the only one I can think of in recent years, and he got hurt, played all of 2 or 3 games, then bolted to the League.

The Porter's came to Mizzou because godfather Lorenzo Romar got fired and Porter Sr. was hired as an assistant coach. I posted right after this hire, Gates was a good choice but you have to give him time to form those relationships to get those in state kids. He passed a test in keeping Shaw, he lost Brazile who had what most people thought was a big upside, we'll see how many minutes he gets with everthing Ark. has coming in next year.

 

[bryantboy99]

Mizzou needs someone with very deep pockets to pony up some serious NIL money to compete.

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

Mizzou needs someone with very deep pockets to pony up some serious NIL money to compete.

Instead of Boosters paying millions to fired coaches, maybe they can pay NIL's to get kids to Mizzou.

 

[Pure Swing]

Anywhere is a stretch. Sure, KU offered. But he’s a project there probably. He’s a good get, but let’s not pretend he could’ve picked anyplace and gone there. That will happen after he averages about 10 and 5 next year

 

[Pure Swing]

Anywhere is a stretch. Sure, KU offered. But he’s a project there probably. He’s a good get, but let’s not pretend he could’ve picked anyplace and gone there. That will happen after he averages about 10 and 5 next year.

let me slow this down for you, the discussion is about Missouri kids not going to MU. Shaw is from Kansas and the #2 player in that state. His home State schools of Kansas and Kansas St made offers, in place of staying home he chose Mizzou. He also had offers from 13 power conference schools, schools from the East, Maryland and Wake Forest, the South, Arkansas, Texas, TCU and others, Midwest Iowa, MU, Kansas schools and others, the West USC, Stanford. All these regions to me means he could go anywhere; no recruit gets offers from everyone and I don't think the top programs from around the country thinks he's a project.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

let me slow this down for you, the discussion is about Missouri kids not going to MU. Shaw is from Kansas and the #2 player in that state. His home State schools of Kansas and Kansas St made offers, in place of staying home he chose Mizzou. He also had offers from 13 power conference schools, schools from the East, Maryland and Wake Forest, the South, Arkansas, Texas, TCU and others, Midwest Iowa, MU, Kansas schools and others, the West USC, Stanford. All these regions to me means he could go anywhere; no recruit gets offers from everyone and I don't think the top programs from around the country thinks he's a project.

True, this is probably the MU fan version of anywhere. That’s on me.

 

[Pure Swing]

True, this is probably the MU fan version of anywhere. That’s on me.

that's ok, I know it's hard for some people

 

[AC100]

let me slow this down for you, the discussion is about Missouri kids not going to MU. Shaw is from Kansas and the #2 player in that state. His home State schools of Kansas and Kansas St made offers, in place of staying home he chose Mizzou. He also had offers from 13 power conference schools, schools from the East, Maryland and Wake Forest, the South, Arkansas, Texas, TCU and others, Midwest Iowa, MU, Kansas schools and others, the West USC, Stanford. All these regions to me means he could go anywhere; no recruit gets offers from everyone and I don't think the top programs from around the country thinks he's a project.

I am not sure about K State but Kansas recruited Shaw for a while but backed off when someone better come on their radar. He didn't have a Kansas offer on the day he committed

 

[Pure Swing]

I am not sure about K State but Kansas recruited Shaw for a while but backed off when someone better come on their radar. He didn't have a Kansas offer on the day he committed

KU offered, before he committed he had narrowed his choice down to 5 schools, Kansas was one of them.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

KU offered, before he committed he had narrowed his choice down to 5 schools, Kansas was one of them.

Right, but the offer was no longer there when he re-opened his recruitment.

 

[Pure Swing]

Right, but the offer was no longer there when he re-opened his recruitment.

Even if that's true, it doesn't change the fact that Kansas wanted him before he committed to Mizzou and that was my point, not his recruitment after he decommitted.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Even if that's true, it doesn't change the fact that Kansas wanted him before he committed to Mizzou and that was my point, not his recruitment after he decommitted.

Sorry, didn't realize that was your point. You had mentioned Gates passing a test keeping him and then mentioned he could go anywhere. I drew the conclusion, mistakenly, that you were talking about anywhere after he re-opened. FTR, his initial KU offer was also conditional, meaning if they missed on others they would take him. IIRC. He's a good get for MU. That roster needs some help. I'm just not sure he had other great options, as you stated earlier.

 

[oldroundballer]

Mizzou needs someone with very deep pockets to pony up some serious NIL money to compete.

If Mizzou had boosters who were willing to spend serious money to see them compete they would have already been doing it.

 

[AC100]

If he tried to committ to Kansas last week, he would have been told no.

 

[Pure Swing]

If he tried to committ to Kansas last week, he would have been told no.

what, Kansas already spend all their Adidas money on other recruits?

 

[AC100]

what, Kansas already spend all their Adidas money on other recruits?

This is pretty much legal now