Meanwhile in Class One
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Games are important to kids. To take away 1 game for almost 80% of a class just to appease a couple schools is about as MSHSAA as it gets.
Hayti traveling 562 miles ( 9 hours and 20 mins) tonight for a district game at Miller.
What happens if they win? Glad you asked!!!
They then travel 542 miles ( 9 hours and 16 mins) next week to play at Marionville.
Phew. Some real rocket surgeons making decisions up there in Columbia.
MSHSAA acts only with approval and consent from the member institutions. The schools can hire, fire, change, or decline membership anytime they can get enough votes among their fellow members. Anybody that wants to express their opinion should contact their district's superintendent.
and/or state reps like I have
The royalty in Columbia doesn't feel the need to follow the rules or the law. We are here to serve them.
They got b slapped out of court twice in the last month or so.
So yea they aren't following the law.
Try to keep up
How is this politics? Because MSHSAA has continued to screw up so bad they are finally getting the attention of the folks in Jeff City?
yes this is politics, if other institutions have to get involved to get things straight in MSHSSA it is politics. I done with that for the week, its Friday, lets play and talk football.
well you don't have to participate in the threads. This is a real issue even if it doesn't affect the teams you follow.
Huh? So you're telling me we DONT have to participate in threads??
You are required to by the language in your booster club president contract.
Don't make me take you to court.
This does suck for Hayti. Obviously they are in the boot heel of MO. But assuming everyone sticks with the decision to have 36 teams in Class 1, and assuming you want to keep the number of teams in each division equal (9), then is there any Class 1 districting scenario where Hayti would have absolutely been guaranteed to not end of with a long first round drive?
Since they only won one game, they have to play tonight in an 8/9 game. And no matter how you divide it up, there’s not 8 other class one schools that are ALL close to them.
I run www.bluemonkeyonline.com I oversee the scorestream feeds for all of the football games in state especially in the postseason where I have to input all of the games myself and make sure they are correct by the end of the night. Politics of the teams around the state and with MSHSAA has my full attention everyday even outside the football realm. I get there is problems as I see them myself and talk to schools and individuals involved as such as a member of the media. Though when it gets time to put down the rules hat for a short time and track games that is what I would prefer to do. Lets play football and talk issues later.
IM RETIRED!! Have been for SEVERAL years now. Also, that was an ELECTED position!! NOT contracted!! NICE TRY BOZO!!!
Fair enough. And to your point, could MSHSAA have studied this a bit more and said wait a minute, this could be an ugly scenario. Should we maybe create one District of 10 and another of 8, or should we leave some kind of option open where we can revise the playoffs slightly any time a district team has to travel say, more than 150 miles one way? Maybe Hayti (1-7) should’ve played at Charleston (2-7) tonight.
I think I hear you though, and I’ve always thought this myself, a district should be defined as some area related to proximity.
That was a group decision between all of the schools based upon several factors, 1 not being distance between possible matchups in districts.
Or maybe they should have made class .5 and class 6 have 40 teams each and do 8 districts of 5 teams like any reasonable person would.
Is your spouse, friend, family, or you personally a part of the board at MSHSAA or something? Maybe you're the sales rep from Hometown Tickets that closed the deal on ticketing. Regardless, keep fighting for the monolith. Someone needs to be the voice of reason when people complain about MSHSAA sending a bootheel school who's probably already rubbing nickels together to make a dime on 1,000+ mile weekly road trips, kicking a team out of the state playoffs for attending a benefit for cancer, or blocking a child from playing football at a different school. Glad it can be you my man.
It is set by percentage of the overall schools who register every year for football with the state. So its a percentage.
It's always a problem with Southeast MO teams, of all classes. Simple geography.
I dont make any money. Running the site costs me money. Other sites that have "sponsors" make money by providing the service but mentioning their sponsors. I on the other hand do not have sponsors and do not care to get sponsors. I do this as a service to the schools, fans, and other media that utilizes it to track Football Friday night better and easier.He still gonna make bank on his site though.
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If I am in MSHSAA, I would take and split the 36 teams up to 8 districts. Each has 4 or 5 teams in it according to regions. So what if good teams are in same district. You got to beat the best teams to win it anyway
Alright calculating the classes has several steps based upon MSHSAA manual there is a dozen steps in which to prevent schools from playing schools more than twice their size or in their case what they specify 2.0. Here is the official documentation.
Classification: District and State Tournament procedures are covered in By-Law 5.1, including the collection of enrollment data and the general procedures for classification. This information serves to further describe the procedures for classification breaks and district assignment release.
Annual Schedule for Schools Reclassification: MSHSAA member schools are classified annually based on updated school enrollment figures. The schools in each classification, or class, will compete against one another in MSHSAA-sponsored district and/ or state competition. The District and State Music Festivals are evaluative only. MSHSAA does not sponsor state championships in “emerging sports/activities” (see By-Law 5.2) and there are no classifications.
Determination of Classification Breaks Between Classes: The activities sponsored by MSHSAA are broken into classes based on school enrollment. Once classes are established based on the classification procedures, the classification breaks are defined. Classification breaks are the numerical enrollment lines which describe the enrollment span of a particular class, and are based on the largest school’s enrollment in that class.
Classification Procedures:
1. Official Enrollments Finalized and Registrations Reviewed: Enrollments declared and finalized; enrollments are combined 2023-24 MSHSAA OFFICIAL HANDBOOK Page 125 BOARD POLICIES for the schools in Cooperative Sponsorships (sport/activity specific). For the sports of cross country and track & field, determine which gender has more registrations, and begin Step 2 with that gender. (See By-Law 5.1)
2. Break into Last Year’s Classes: In enrollment order, place the current year’s registered schools a) into the same number of classes as the prior year, and b) into the same numbers per class as the prior year.
3. 2.0 Differential Review: Calculate the enrollment differential for each class by dividing the largest school’s enrollment by the smallest school’s enrollment. Determine if the differential for each class, other than Class 1, is 2.0 or below (differentials from 2.01 to 2.04 will be rounded down to 2.0). If all classes above Class 1 have a differential of 2.0 or less, the number of classes are final (end of procedure, see Step 7). If any class’s differential (other than Class 1) is greater than 2.0, the number of schools in the upper classes should be adjusted to see if, by moving schools down from a larger class into a smaller class, all differentials can be made to meet the 2.0 limit. Moving up from Class 1, the class counts should either be equal to the number in Class 1 or the count should decrease as the class number increases (preserving an equal or waterfall approach) AND all differentials, other than Class 1, should be at 2.0 or below. If this is successful, the procedure ends; see Step 7.
4. Efforts to Stay Consistent: Attempts will be made to adjust the class lines and the numbers in the classes while maintaining the 2.0 differential BEFORE adding a class. (See Classification Note 8.) If this is not possible, move to Step 5.
5. Add a Class: Increase the number of classes by one and place up to the applicable percentage of the total schools in the sport/activity into Class 1. (See also Notes 1 and 2). Number of Classes after adding a class Now 2 classes Now 3 classes Now 4 classes Now 5 classes Now 6 classes Max percentage of total to place in Class 1 70% 50% 30% 25% 20%
6. Percentage in Class 1 and Equally Divide the Rest: Equally distribute the remaining percentage of schools into the rest of the classes above Class 1. Return to Step 3 and review the differentials. Repeat as needed until the number of classes is finalized.
7. Ties: Enrollment ties across a class break will be ignored until after the Championship Factor has reclassified schools, due to those changes solving most ties.
8. Championship Factor Review and Adjustments: Move to Championship Factor section below for this second step of the classification process.
Classification Notes:
1. The maximum number of schools in a class for football is 64.
2. The maximum number of schools in a class for team sports is 128, and the minimum number of schools in a class for team sports is 32.
3. 8-Man football: The total enrollment of participating schools or co-ops must be 150 or less (grades 9,10,11).
It's been a problem for all southern Missouri CLASS 1 teams. CLASS 1 Thayer has been in a SWMO district for over 20 years. That's around 200 miles each way. The Bobcats usually win so that's 3 600-mile trips for one school or the other.
So explain to the class what step 3 means with all the talk about class 1.
Thanks.
It would have been AWESOME if marionville didn't get a gimme against central and pville had been the 1 seed.
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