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  • James Feeney, a surgeon in Connecticut, heard it from his patients. A few actually turned down his prescription for oxycodone, the popular opioid painkiller that has also gained notoriety with the opioid epidemic. His patients, Feeney recalls, would say, “Listen, don’t give me any of that oxycodone garbage. … I’m just going to smoke weed.”

“And you know what?” says Feeney. “Every single one of those patients doesn’t have a lot of pain, and they do pretty well.”

Marijuana has worked well enough, anecdotally at least, that Feeney is following his patients’ lead and conducting a trial at Saint Francis Hospital and Medical Center in Hartford, CT. The state-funded study will compare opioids and medical marijuana for treating acute pain, such as that from a broken rib.

That distinction—acute pain from an injury—is also an important one. A small body of evidence suggests that medical marijuana is effective for chronic pain, which persists even after an injury should have healed and for which opioids are already not a great treatment. But now Feeney wants to try medical marijuana for acute pain, where opioids have long been a go-to drug.
“The big focus from my standpoint is that this is an attempt to end the opioid epidemic,” he says. Overdoses from opioids, which includes heroin as well as prescription painkillers like oxycodone and morphine, killed more than 30,000 people in 2015.

very difficult for researchers to study. Scientists first have to apply for a license from the Drug Enforcement Administration, which “can take people years,” says Yasmin Hurd, a neuroscientist at Mount Sinai who has a license to study marijuana and its derivatives. Another problem is sourcing. Scientists can only get marijuana from a farm at the University of Mississippi, which grows a limited variety. “You want to be able to study different formations, but if you can only get the compounds from one source, that makes it hard,” says Hurd.

This is especially relevant to Hurd’s work because her interest is not necessarily THC, the psychoactive chemical in marijuana, but cannabidiol, also known as CBD. Cannabidiol doesn’t get you high, but it affects the receptors in your brain more indirectly. In a small pilot study, Hurd has found that cannabidiol can reduce the cravings of people addicted to heroin. “They relapse because they are in conditions that induce craving,” says Hurd. By controlling their anxiety, cannabidiol also seems to be controlling their cravings.

Hurd is now running a larger trial to investigate if the substance could help people addicted to heroin, and she published a recent review on cannabidiol’s role in curbing substance abuse.

Using marijuana to treat chronic pain is a more established idea. A 2015 review of 28 randomized clinical trials found “moderate-quality evidence” that compounds derived from marijuana or synthetic versions thereof were beneficial.

Interestingly, patients already seem to be replacing opioids with marijuana for chronic pain. A handful of observational studies have also found correlations between states legalizing medical marijuana and a drop in painkiller prescriptions, opioid use, and deaths from opioid overdose. And in 2016, Dan Clauw and his colleagues published a survey of patients with chronic pain who started patronizing a medical marijuana dispensary. They cut their previous opioid use by two-thirds.

“They felt a lot better when their pain was being controlled by cannabis rather opioids because opioids have a lot of side effects,” he says. Those side effects include dizziness, constipation, sexual dysfunction and—in the case of overdoses—breathing problems. That’s because opioids receptors are also in the brainstem, the part of the brain that regulates breathing. Marijuana acts on a different set of receptors.

Clauw, who runs a pain lab at University of Michigan, says he would to like understand how marijuana quells pain on a molecular level, but getting the license has proved too big a hurdle.

Meanwhile, Feeney’s hospital trial for acute pain is able to get around the logistics issue of marijuana as a scheduled substance. Medical marijuana is legal in the state of Connecticut, but neither Feeney nor his hospital provides it directly to patients. Rather, a doctor certifies a patient to use marijuana, and the patient then picks it up at a dispensary or pharmacy. “The strains I have to select from are so pure and so potent that the stuff they get from the University of Mississippi pales in comparison,” says Feeney.

The trial, which was just got started, will enroll 60 patients with rib injuries in total—30 on marijuana, 30 on opioids. The doctors chose rib injuries to study because the pain lasts a predictable six weeks. Because of the study’s design, patients get to choose whether they use opioids and marijuana to control pain. So far, the hospitals has enrolled a handful of patients. They’ve all chosen marijuana
 
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  • James Feeney, a surgeon in Connecticut, heard it from his patients. A few actually turned down his prescription for oxycodone, the popular opioid painkiller that has also gained notoriety with the opioid epidemic. His patients, Feeney recalls, would say, “Listen, don’t give me any of that oxycodone garbage. … I’m just going to smoke weed.”
“And you know what?” says Feeney. “Every single one of those patients doesn’t have a lot of pain, and they do pretty well.”

Marijuana has worked well enough, anecdotally at least, that Feeney is following his patients’ lead and conducting a trial at Saint Francis Hospital and Medical Center in Hartford, CT. The state-funded study will compare opioids and medical marijuana for treating acute pain, such as that from a broken rib.

That distinction—acute pain from an injury—is also an important one. A small body of evidence suggests that medical marijuana is effective for chronic pain, which persists even after an injury should have healed and for which opioids are already not a great treatment. But now Feeney wants to try medical marijuana for acute pain, where opioids have long been a go-to drug.
“The big focus from my standpoint is that this is an attempt to end the opioid epidemic,” he says. Overdoses from opioids, which includes heroin as well as prescription painkillers like oxycodone and morphine, killed more than 30,000 people in 2015.

very difficult for researchers to study. Scientists first have to apply for a license from the Drug Enforcement Administration, which “can take people years,” says Yasmin Hurd, a neuroscientist at Mount Sinai who has a license to study marijuana and its derivatives. Another problem is sourcing. Scientists can only get marijuana from a farm at the University of Mississippi, which grows a limited variety. “You want to be able to study different formations, but if you can only get the compounds from one source, that makes it hard,” says Hurd.

This is especially relevant to Hurd’s work because her interest is not necessarily THC, the psychoactive chemical in marijuana, but cannabidiol, also known as CBD. Cannabidiol doesn’t get you high, but it affects the receptors in your brain more indirectly. In a small pilot study, Hurd has found that cannabidiol can reduce the cravings of people addicted to heroin. “They relapse because they are in conditions that induce craving,” says Hurd. By controlling their anxiety, cannabidiol also seems to be controlling their cravings.

Hurd is now running a larger trial to investigate if the substance could help people addicted to heroin, and she published a recent review on cannabidiol’s role in curbing substance abuse.

Using marijuana to treat chronic pain is a more established idea. A 2015 review of 28 randomized clinical trials found “moderate-quality evidence” that compounds derived from marijuana or synthetic versions thereof were beneficial.

Interestingly, patients already seem to be replacing opioids with marijuana for chronic pain. A handful of observational studies have also found correlations between states legalizing medical marijuana and a drop in painkiller prescriptions, opioid use, and deaths from opioid overdose. And in 2016, Dan Clauw and his colleagues published a survey of patients with chronic pain who started patronizing a medical marijuana dispensary. They cut their previous opioid use by two-thirds.

“They felt a lot better when their pain was being controlled by cannabis rather opioids because opioids have a lot of side effects,” he says. Those side effects include dizziness, constipation, sexual dysfunction and—in the case of overdoses—breathing problems. That’s because opioids receptors are also in the brainstem, the part of the brain that regulates breathing. Marijuana acts on a different set of receptors.

Clauw, who runs a pain lab at University of Michigan, says he would to like understand how marijuana quells pain on a molecular level, but getting the license has proved too big a hurdle.

Meanwhile, Feeney’s hospital trial for acute pain is able to get around the logistics issue of marijuana as a scheduled substance. Medical marijuana is legal in the state of Connecticut, but neither Feeney nor his hospital provides it directly to patients. Rather, a doctor certifies a patient to use marijuana, and the patient then picks it up at a dispensary or pharmacy. “The strains I have to select from are so pure and so potent that the stuff they get from the University of Mississippi pales in comparison,” says Feeney.

The trial, which was just got started, will enroll 60 patients with rib injuries in total—30 on marijuana, 30 on opioids. The doctors chose rib injuries to study because the pain lasts a predictable six weeks. Because of the study’s design, patients get to choose whether they use opioids and marijuana to control pain. So far, the hospitals has enrolled a handful of patients. They’ve all chosen marijuana

What about the minor problem that smoking causes CANCER??

There is a big WARNING on every pack of cigs
 
Forgive my ignorance on the topic since I've never partaken in the devil's lettuce, but if they prove CBD is the active ingredient in marijuana that is helping, couldn't they isolate it and create a pill rather than having to smoke the stuff? I'm all for using it medically if it's truly studied thoroughly and found to be effective. However, it seems like a ruse in most states to people like me who are against medical marijuana solely for the abuse of the system. Someone goes to the doc and says, oh, my back hurts...can I get some weed? Doc writes him a script. They use it as quasi legalization to get high.
 
Forgive my ignorance on the topic since I've never partaken in the devil's lettuce, but if they prove CBD is the active ingredient in marijuana that is helping, couldn't they isolate it and create a pill rather than having to smoke the stuff? I'm all for using it medically if it's truly studied thoroughly and found to be effective. However, it seems like a ruse in most states to people like me who are against medical marijuana solely for the abuse of the system. Someone goes to the doc and says, oh, my back hurts...can I get some weed? Doc writes him a script. They use it as quasi legalization to get high.
Theoretically, yes. Smoking is not the end all,be all. It's just the simple/cost effective route.

I don't smoke. Never will. But if it helps people out, there needs to be access to it...in some form
 
Forgive my ignorance on the topic since I've never partaken in the devil's lettuce, but if they prove CBD is the active ingredient in marijuana that is helping, couldn't they isolate it and create a pill rather than having to smoke the stuff?.

Ideally yes they isolate it and a pill or liquid form would be better than smoking it.

However, it seems like a ruse in most states to people like me who are against medical marijuana solely for the abuse of the system. Someone goes to the doc and says, oh, my back hurts...can I get some weed? Doc writes him a script. They use it as quasi legalization to get high.

Is that better or worse than the people who do the exact same thing for opioids? Too much of an opiate will kill you, too much weed will make you sleep. There's (in my opinion) a huge benefit to using marijuana for pain relief if only for the fact that unlike oxycontin or any other opiate it is unlikely, or at least less likely, to develop into an addiction and marijuana has literally never killed anyone.

The heroin epidemic can be directly traced back to prescribing oxycontin as a pain reliever.
 
Ideally yes they isolate it and a pill or liquid form would be better than smoking it.



Is that better or worse than the people who do the exact same thing for opioids? Too much of an opiate will kill you, too much weed will make you sleep. There's (in my opinion) a huge benefit to using marijuana for pain relief if only for the fact that unlike oxycontin or any other opiate it is unlikely, or at least less likely, to develop into an addiction and marijuana has literally never killed anyone.

The heroin epidemic can be directly traced back to prescribing oxycontin as a pain reliever.
Ideally, a doctor wouldn't do either. I just don't like seeing the system taken advantage of in either scenario and I see faking pain for weed as more prevalent. An example of this is a fella I know who used to live in Colorado (before full legalization, but when they had medical) who had a medical card and he's completely healthy. He even said he used it as an excuse just to do it legally. I just see that being much more commonplace than the current opioid abuse.
 
Ideally, a doctor wouldn't do either. I just don't like seeing the system taken advantage of in either scenario and I see faking pain for weed as more prevalent. An example of this is a fella I know who used to live in Colorado (before full legalization, but when they had medical) who had a medical card and he's completely healthy. He even said he used it as an excuse just to do it legally. I just see that being much more commonplace than the current opioid abuse.
While not an ideal thing.....

I'd much rather see someome spend their life smoking joints than popping pills
 
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I'd rather see someone chop off their finger than their arm. I don't think either one is necessary though. Why do we have to choose between two bad choices?
 
Ideally yes they isolate it and a pill or liquid form would be better than smoking it.



Is that better or worse than the people who do the exact same thing for opioids? Too much of an opiate will kill you, too much weed will make you sleep. There's (in my opinion) a huge benefit to using marijuana for pain relief if only for the fact that unlike oxycontin or any other opiate it is unlikely, or at least less likely, to develop into an addiction and marijuana has literally never killed anyone.

The heroin epidemic can be directly traced back to prescribing oxycontin as a pain reliever.
You always seem to ignore the fact that smoking weed kills brain cells. Studies have shown it's especially bad for those under age 28 whose brain is not fully developed. Maybe you haven't figured out if it takes away your pain it's because it dulls your senses and is probably not something people should use recreationally like you want legalized.
 
I'd rather see someone chop off their finger than their arm. I don't think either one is necessary though. Why do we have to choose between two bad choices?
Because your god enjoys giving people cancer

Ask him why and you might have a way to fix this. Until then, I'd much rather people in a cancer ward have access to something that has been proven to help.
 
Ideally, a doctor wouldn't do either. I just don't like seeing the system taken advantage of in either scenario and I see faking pain for weed as more prevalent. An example of this is a fella I know who used to live in Colorado (before full legalization, but when they had medical) who had a medical card and he's completely healthy. He even said he used it as an excuse just to do it legally. I just see that being much more commonplace than the current opioid abuse.

The difference is opioid abuse is literally killing people every day.

Marijuana abuse just boosts sales at Taco Bell.
 
You always seem to ignore the fact that smoking weed kills brain cells. Studies have shown it's especially bad for those under age 28 whose brain is not fully developed. Maybe you haven't figured out if it takes away your pain it's because it dulls your senses and is probably not something people should use recreationally like you want legalized.

Does it? Show me one of these "studies", because I can site the (limited) studies that say otherwise.
 
Does it? Show me one of these "studies", because I can site the (limited) studies that say otherwise.
There are studies both ways. And any decent study will openly admit that they do not have enough evidence to support either side, due to this being a recent trend....of people openly pushing for real uses

Most everything points in the direction of benefits outweighs negatives
 
The difference is opioid abuse is literally killing people every day.

Marijuana abuse just boosts sales at Taco Bell.

Just because you use opioids doesn't mean you will die from its effects.
Just because you use pot doesn't mean you won't die from it's effects.

I work with enough potheads to know (without an official study) it affects your judgement, dependability, focus, and health. EVERY pothead I know misses a lot of work, is harder to focus, and are sick all the time (at least they call in sick).
 
Just because you use opioids doesn't mean you will die from its effects.
Just because you use pot doesn't mean you won't die from it's effects.

I work with enough potheads to know (without an official study) it affects your judgement, dependability, focus, and health. EVERY pothead I know misses a lot of work, is harder to focus, and are sick all the time (at least they call in sick).
Here we have it

Miller knows more than science. He knows more than medical professionals.

It's not that he "works" with lazy asses or for a lazy ass company that does nothing about its lazy employees. Pot did it
 
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Not every employee has these traits......just the potheads.......and they are being weeded out by random drug tests.
Another down side to pot is you way over value your mental capacity and abilities.
 
Congratulations. You have people who smoke weed because they can.

What does that have to do with medical usage? Dear freaking lord....
 
Forgive my ignorance on the topic since I've never partaken in the devil's lettuce, but if they prove CBD is the active ingredient in marijuana that is helping, couldn't they isolate it and create a pill rather than having to smoke the stuff? I'm all for using it medically if it's truly studied thoroughly and found to be effective. However, it seems like a ruse in most states to people like me who are against medical marijuana solely for the abuse of the system. Someone goes to the doc and says, oh, my back hurts...can I get some weed? Doc writes him a script. They use it as quasi legalization to get high.
Devils lettuce is funny LOL
 
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Just because you use opioids doesn't mean you will die from its effects.
Just because you use pot doesn't mean you won't die from it's effects.

Well that's half true, just because you use opioids DOESN'T meant you will die from its affects.

But until you can provide a confirmed death STRICTLY from marijuana consumption, in which marijuana caused an overdose, then your other claim is patently false.
 
Just because you use opioids doesn't mean you will die from its effects.
Just because you use pot doesn't mean you won't die from it's effects.

I work with enough potheads to know (without an official study) it affects your judgement, dependability, focus, and health. EVERY pothead I know misses a lot of work, is harder to focus, and are sick all the time (at least they call in sick).
Darn by your research all pot smokers are useless. How many athletes you think smoke pot and make more than you. What about those musicians than make more than you. Most comedians smoke and are killing it. Not sure your small sample size holds any water.
 
Well that's half true, just because you use opioids DOESN'T meant you will die from its affects.

But until you can provide a confirmed death STRICTLY from marijuana consumption, in which marijuana caused an overdose, then your other claim is patently false.
I never said they died from overdose though.
 
I never said they died from overdose though.

Because they can't.

If you compare opioid overdose/abuse to marijuana overdose/abuse there's no comparison, except that they prescribe opioids (which can kill you and are definitely addictive) and demonize marijuana (which can't kill you unless you smoke a few hundred pounds of it and isn't as habit forming as the right would have you believe).
 
Because they can't.

If you compare opioid overdose/abuse to marijuana overdose/abuse there's no comparison, except that they prescribe opioids (which can kill you and are definitely addictive) and demonize marijuana (which can't kill you unless you smoke a few hundred pounds of it and isn't as habit forming as the right would have you believe).
My God everybody knows pot smokers take lots of sick days and don't show up to work. Thank God we have alcohol
 
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Kind of like...alcohol?
I don't want to say I'm advocating for alcohol here because abuse of any substance is still abuse...however, I've been around people when I was in college who smoked multiple times daily and it showed. There was a psychological dependence there to be sure.
 
I don't want to say I'm advocating for alcohol here because abuse of any substance is still abuse...however, I've been around people when I was in college who smoked multiple times daily and it showed. There was a psychological dependence there to be sure.

Not trying to be a smart@ss, but are you a doctor? Is that your medical opinion or just a personal opinion, because you could make the same claim about cigarettes or alcohol.
 
Not trying to be a smart@ss, but are you a doctor? Is that your medical opinion or just a personal opinion, because you could make the same claim about cigarettes or alcohol.
Not a doctor at all, but I'm speaking from seeing things first hand. There's a physical dependence to things like alcohol or other drugs. The argument in favor of mary jane has always been that there's no physical dependence. Well, that may be true. I don't know. I'm willing to admit that could be true. However, I've seen the psychological dependence side of it first hand. These people I'm referring to in my last post are a prime example. They "had" to smoke it every day and they'd get antsy or whiny if they didn't. I'm not saying that there isn't a similar dependence to other things, but I'm merely pointing out that it does, in fact, happen.
 
Not a doctor at all, but I'm speaking from seeing things first hand. There's a physical dependence to things like alcohol or other drugs. The argument in favor of mary jane has always been that there's no physical dependence. Well, that may be true. I don't know. I'm willing to admit that could be true. However, I've seen the psychological dependence side of it first hand. These people I'm referring to in my last post are a prime example. They "had" to smoke it every day and they'd get antsy or whiny if they didn't. I'm not saying that there isn't a similar dependence to other things, but I'm merely pointing out that it does, in fact, happen.

Like cigarettes...which are legal and have no medicinal use.
 
Like cigarettes...which are legal and have no medicinal use.
Yes and no, but not where I'm making my point. Cigarettes (due to nicotine) make a person physically addicted to the substance. I'm giving you the fact that there may not be a physical addiction/dependence. However, I've seen that there are certainly people who get psychologically addicted to it and how it makes them feel and the notion that it's completely "non habit forming" is false.
 
Yes and no, but not where I'm making my point. Cigarettes (due to nicotine) make a person physically addicted to the substance. I'm giving you the fact that there may not be a physical addiction/dependence. However, I've seen that there are certainly people who get psychologically addicted to it and how it makes them feel and the notion that it's completely "non habit forming" is false.

Is there any doubt that cigarettes and alcohol are both physically and psychologically addictive?

Do they offer any health benefits?

Are they potentially harmful not only to the people using them, but also anyone in close proximity?
 
Is there any doubt that cigarettes and alcohol are both physically and psychologically addictive?

Do they offer any health benefits?

Are they potentially harmful not only to the people using them, but also anyone in close proximity?
You're absolutely missing my point. I'm not refuting anything you're saying about other substances. I'm only talking about MJ and your comment about it not being addictive or "as addictive as the right would have you believe."
 
You're absolutely missing my point. I'm not refuting anything you're saying about other substances. I'm only talking about MJ and your comment about it not being addictive or "as addictive as the right would have you believe."

From a somatic stanpoint, weed isn't habit forming and you're basing your opinion of it on a few people you knew from college.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but anecdotal evidence is hardly proof.
 
From a somatic stanpoint, weed isn't habit forming and you're basing your opinion of it on a few people you knew from college.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but anecdotal evidence is hardly proof.
I've seen others in my life as well who used it religiously and would swear it wasn't habit forming, but pointed out the example from college as I thought it was the easiest to explain. No, I haven't done a study. And no, maybe I don't have "proof" in the sense that I'd present it in a scholarly journal. But, most of life is experiences and learning from them.
 
I've seen others in my life as well who used it religiously and would swear it wasn't habit forming, but pointed out the example from college as I thought it was the easiest to explain. No, I haven't done a study. And no, maybe I don't have "proof" in the sense that I'd present it in a scholarly journal. But, most of life is experiences and learning from them.

Ok and I've seen people who smoke it socially in the same way some people drink alcohol.

I've only met one person who I thought "Hey, she has a problem with marijuana" and she quit cold turkey when she had her kids.

If we're just presenting "life experiences" there's a reason I don't consider marijuana more dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol.

I've worked with kids who have addictions and may have screwed up in life, I'd rather see them on weed than oxycontin, percocet, xanax, or heroin. Which was the entire point of my post, there is a SERIOUS problem in our country with opiates and it's no coincidence that the problem started after pharmaceutical companies started pushing opioids like oxycontin as pain relievers. This issue didn't really exist in the 90's...wonder why...oh right because doctors virtually refused to write prescriptions for opiates like morphine except in rare cases.

Now they write scrips for whatever opioid you "need"...and people continue to die.
 
Ok and I've seen people who smoke it socially in the same way some people drink alcohol.

I've only met one person who I thought "Hey, she has a problem with marijuana" and she quit cold turkey when she had her kids.

If we're just presenting "life experiences" there's a reason I don't consider marijuana more dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol.

I've worked with kids who have addictions and may have screwed up in life, I'd rather see them on weed than oxycontin, percocet, xanax, or heroin. Which was the entire point of my post, there is a SERIOUS problem in our country with opiates and it's no coincidence that the problem started after pharmaceutical companies started pushing opioids like oxycontin as pain relievers. This issue didn't really exist in the 90's...wonder why...oh right because doctors virtually refused to write prescriptions for opiates like morphine except in rare cases.

Now they write scrips for whatever opioid you "need"...and people continue to die.
I know what your original post was about. I wasn't touching on that. I have actually made points in some posts that agreed with your point that opiates are bad (mmkay?). My most recent responses were solely based around the idea that it isn't habit forming. I'd say for the vast majority of the population, that's probably true and they use it like you say. However, my entire point is that there's a psychological addiction to it and how it makes a person feel for others. That same feeling can be found in many other legal things. I think we're primarily in agreement, but just had some crossed wires and misunderstanding here.
 
I know what your original post was about. I wasn't touching on that. I have actually made points in some posts that agreed with your point that opiates are bad (mmkay?). My most recent responses were solely based around the idea that it isn't habit forming. I'd say for the vast majority of the population, that's probably true and they use it like you say. However, my entire point is that there's a psychological addiction to it and how it makes a person feel for others. That same feeling can be found in many other legal things. I think we're primarily in agreement, but just had some crossed wires and misunderstanding here.

We're definitely in agreement.
 
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