Should send Trinity a thank you card for diverting attention from all the recruiting they do.
Lutheran North
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How exactly did LN get Ronnie Perkins from UCity as a Jr or Sr and he was immediately eligible? Just one glaring example.
Think that would work at say, St. Vincent in Perryville? If they suddenly got a mass influx of football players from Cape, Jackson, and Sikeston (because that's within the transfer radius) who claimed they were "scared" for their safety at their current school? Who makes the determination that anyone actually "feared for their safety" and would that excuse fly in a rural environment?
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I mean, that would be pretty racist of whoever approves eligibility if they think only inner city kids can be scared at school.
Ultimately not the point. They do they exact same stuff.
#scholarshiphigh #youcangoanywherefromhere
Got scared of the animals in my back yard...needed to transfer. Coach said I'd be safer there.
U City isnt even inner city LOL nobody is scared at U-City. LN gets over on transfers more than anyone but hush up just incase someone important is reading us
So how did Perkins get immediate eligibility?
He came in as a Sophomore and I have no idea. In one of these threads I made a whole list of STL kids, high D1 Guys who were eligible immediately and NONE had the “safety” thing.
For example mookie cooper Trinity’s best player left St Louis University High (private) and eligible immediately. Maruice Massey left Fancis Howell North (the weenie hut jr of Public schools for safety) and eligible immediately at Kirkwood.
Nobody knows how. My conclusion is that MSHSAA is getting punked somehow.
Heard from some Kirkwood players and apperently Massey got away with it because “he had a bad home life.” Have no clue if that’s true but he was eligible immediately because of it. He didn’t even live with family in Kirkwood. Lived with one of the players.
If Massey's parents both moved into Kirkwood school district for work that would be sufficient. Idk about either one, but its evident some of the smaller St. Louis area private schools are gaming the system.
And the outrage isn't because they're predominantly black it's because it creates such a huge disparity in the level of competition.
Want to know why people dont complain about CBC, MICDS, or Vianney?
It's because the multiplier ensures they're playing schools (public or otherwise) who CAN be competitive with them due to having a large enough enrollment, that even with private schools scooping off the top talent there are still talented kids walking the halls.
In Class 1, 2, and 3, a normal public school with let's say (at best) 300 boys in it has no chance of competing with an All-Star team of assembled D1 talent.
While the spectacle of these small school All-star teams beating similar sized public schools 70-0 week after week and the scholarships the assembled talent receives is great for those programs and those kids, it kills what is special about high school football, especially small town, small school football.
The reason why EYE called out (cant speak for others) the race thing with Trinity is that I didnt like certain words and generalizations that some were using to describe them, & bringing up things that have nothing to do with football, it sounded personal. I know that for most of you this isnt the case.
But as you see the thing is the damage has been done. Trinity, Ritter, LN wont even need to recruit anymore. Kids in the neighborhood see the offers and status these guys are getting from these schools and they wanna go now. Lutheran North just had another 3 star guy transfer and sit out and will play next year. Once you get popular guys will just come you wont have to chase them.
For example Southern Miss came to cardinal ritter last month and offered 8-10 guys. Some guys at the private schools(Desmet, Trinity, LN, CBC, Ritter) arent stars arent all state etc and schools are offering kids here just off the strength. If you’re a parent that just looks like a big lottery ticket for free tuition. Especially with the private schools offering financial aid, why would you not? The private schools also offer a college preparatory education. In almost all phases its the better option if your child has athletic ability in St Louis.
Exactly, that is why I think we just saw the tipping of the scale. Which will create a very unbalanced small class if they are allowed to continue to compete in the smaller classes.
But how do you fix it with out punishing small private schools in rural areas who don't recruit or have access to the same talent pools.
Oh no doubt, and I dont begrudge the kids or families at all. My kids go to private school in the St. Louis area and it's worth every penny spent to set them up for a better future. I get it.
But I also get that the competitive imbalance is impossible to overcome. I dont know what specifically needs to happen, and I really dont want to see public and private's split into separate playoffs.
Idk, i would almost say if a team (private or otherwise) has 5 or more kids with D1 offers they are automatically in the Class 6 playoff.
Blair Oaks won Class 2 this year. Lutheran North hasn’t played for a State Championship in decades. Trinity won ONE trophy. Lamar losses to 2 PUBLIC schools in their own area and doesn’t play for a championship for the first time this decade ... but “competitive imbalance is impossible to overcome“?
Yeah .... okay.
Lamar is out working and out coaching other schools with whatever kids live within their school district. That's an apples and oranges comparison.
Now before you try to twist that statement, that doesn't mean or even imply LN and Trinity kids and coaches dont work hard, all it means is Lamar is doing more with less.
As for the "LN hasnt won a championship in decades" comment, they also haven't had a "down year" in a long time either like virtually every public school is bound to have.
2018 - 10-4 lost state championship
2017 - 13-1
2016 - 9-3
2015 - 10-5 lost state championship
2014 - 11-2
In the last 5 years they've PLAYED in more championships than most teams have in their entire history, so stop underselling their success with "well they haven't won one in awhile".
Didn't realize Mosports was so "pay for play" I've wanted to respond all day, but apparently unless you pay for a subscription they limit your posts. Realized I could edit previous posts to get around the post restriction. Annoying, probably won't bother with this site if I cant have an uninterrupted conversation.
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I’m aware of Lamar’s history ... just like I’m sure you know Lamar didn’t win their conference or State THIS year. I’d think you’d be more focused on the teams you lost to in 2018. Especially considering that Blair Oaks is The King of Class 2 now. Get past Cassville, then get past Lathrop, then get past Blair Oaks .... THEN maybe spend a little time debating “what if’s” about the Class 3 Champions. “Competitive imbalances” didn’t beat Lamar this year. Cassville, Lathrop and Blair Oaks are just better than Lamar is right now. Next year, maybe they’ll prove otherwise.
these arent state Losses these are semi final losses. But yea Lutheran North has only had maybe 3 or 4 down years the last 30+ years, traditionally good.
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Can be fun to watch though. Kinda boring with how many High schools run the spread. It’s something different.
Yeah, Lamar is a public Class 2 school. Like ALL public schools (especially small schools) there are fluctuations in talent. If Lamar, for example, has a class come through where their biggest lineman weighs 195 lbs, they cant just run to a neighboring district and convince a couple 6'5" 330 pounders to come play for them.
Meanwhile, Lutheran North can, if they needed to, run over to East St. Louis, Vashon, any of the Hazelwoods and do exactly that.
Easy to be consistently good or at least win 12 games a year when you get to beat up on Grandview and Carnahan in your district. Weren't like 3 of the teams in their district 0-9 going in? And they're beating up on those kids with future college and potentially NFL talent.
I seriously doubt thats the case, strictly because its not that dam serious lol also in some of these cases the transfering kid isnt proven yet so what what be the point?
But something is going on, or the general public (us) are missing some rule. You see JN likes to bring up every 10 seconds that about 10 new upperclassmen came this year alone
Simple equation for private schools:
90% of your starting roster came in as freshman = legitimate
11% or more of your starting roster did not = Danny Almonte School of Youth Football ringer recruiting for a bogus ego trip.
What do you mean. We see it all the time with the police and crimes, where other people like the prosecutor, judges, jurors, or just the general public, they all get to decide when someone has the right to be actually scared or think their life is in jeopardy. I always thought it was funny that others could dictate that, but it sure in the hell happens.
Watch out, St. Vincent is going to open the Cape/Jackson pipeline. Imagine how good Al Young, Kway'Chon Chisom, or Dante Vandevent would look against Class 1 competition...
Man you cant get any safer than SLUH or Francis Howell. But they’re saying that the guys parents jobs moved so he had to go to Kirkwood. But yea I have nothing “concrete” but SLUH is next door to the St Louis Science Center. In the Catholic league with CBC, Desmet, Chaminade, and Vianney. Hard to believe someone felt “unsafe” there.
How is Lutheran North a concern for Lamar? In one breath, you gloat about how Lamar has beaten them every time they’ve played INCLUDING last year ... then you want to cry about how unfair and unbeatable Lutheran North is THIS year? You didn’t play LN. It was Cassville and Lathrop that kicked your asses. Blair Oaks would’ve done you even worse. You won 7 straight trophies. This year you don’t win your conference championship, don’t make it to State ... but Lutheran North is the excuses you want to talk about?
That’s some seriously funny shit, bro.
I'm from the St. Louis area...bro. I haven't gloated about Lamar beating them. I've stated a point of fact that Lamar has done more with less consistently.
Or do you dispute the FACT that Lamar won 7 straight state championships with a bunch of kids who for the most part, aren't on the radar of any major programs.
Lutheran North will likely send more kids to FBS schools THIS YEAR on scholarship than Lamar did in their entire 7 year run.
But please try to stay on point, I'm not talking about Lamar, Cassville, Ava or anyone else. This thread is about Lutheran North.
Why the dislike for Lutheran North Dirty Danny? Are you a fellow Metro League conference opponent parent? I know you said your kids attended private just curious
FB is just butthurt that he was never a part of a program like Webb or Lamar. He’s quite infatuated with them!!
Tbh, no dislike or even ill will for LN, Cardinal Ritter, Trinity. Just didnt want Trinity to have to shoulder the brunt of the hate just because they won a championship. Especially since LN is just as complicit with "recruiting".
It’s good to know you’re a crusader of justice. Yep, Lutheran North is reloading. Yep, that includes kids transferring in. Some will be eligible to play immediately. Some will sit out a year. The majority are incoming freshmen and middle schoolers. Lutheran North has had a phenomenally successful feeder program over the last 4 years in the JFL. Next Fall, they’ll open enrollment for 6th, 7th and 8th graders. Which means they’ll have the advantages MICDS and JBS have, AND high school kids will flock to transfer in.
