Lutheran North

[Nwalls]

not picking against Lamar but Lutheran North wow beat a very good class
4 team MICDS tonight 55 to 7. Had 42 points at half. Their team speed is
off the charts. They have 2 d1 signees in the backfield and the other one is
a Junior who will sign d1 on def. They are huge and very quick in the line.
Perkins is maybe best dee lineman in the state. He has 41 dee 1 offers hope
he goes to Mizzou to be with his brother who is a safety there.. They can score
on any play I think they beat Trinity by 3 touchdowns in districts.

 

[PapaT23]

So, I guess they had a better recruiting year than Trinity!!!

 

[Team Tiger]

I am not doubting LN is very good and think them or Trinity will give Lamar all they want if they get there. I would question the "very good class 4 team MICDS" part. They are 2-2 with close wins over class 3 teams with a combined 1-5 record. Seems the outcome was very predictable.

 

[Scrag]

I am not doubting LN is very good and thing them or Trinity will give Lamar all they want if they get there. I would question the "very good class 4 team MICDS" part. They are 2-2 with close wins over class 3 teams with a combined 1-5 record. Seems the outcome was very predictable.

What he said... MICDS not good, Lutheran good, but Trinity gooder

 

[millerbleach]

Is someone saying LN is for real?

 

[red & black brotherhood]

Is someone saying LN is for real?

So real you can stamp it

 

[Frototheheadhunter]

Who knows what the result will be, however I have often wondered how the scouts who have made offers to the superstars from Trinities team last year, explain themselves when we beat them. I don't recall these recruiters calling any of our boys after the loss. Inner city football has become a spread offense "look at me" crock of sh!%, and we will see how well they perform in the trenches. I predict as we learned from past experiences, that the offers will outweigh their interest in getting injured for a high school game. JMO, but historically factual.

 

[Mitsurugi san]

I've said this before but on the whole, SWMO coaches don't do as good a job promoting their kids as metro coaches like KC and STL do.

Dylan Cole is the only member of the 2011 Missouri High School graduating class that's in the NFL right now yet he went COMPLETELY unnoticed by FBS schools when he was at LR.

Dylan Cole has provided a blueprint, though, for SWMO kids who are good enough and have the work ethic; I have a feeling MSU could become a bit of a hot spot for NFL scouts looking for sleepers as a result...(just a feeling )

 

[FootballCoach8]

Who knows what the result will be, however I have often wondered how the scouts who have made offers to the superstars from Trinities team last year, explain themselves when we beat them. I don't recall these recruiters calling any of our boys after the loss. Inner city football has become a spread offense "look at me" crock of sh!%, and we will see how well they perform in the trenches. I predict as we learned from past experiences, that the offers will outweigh their interest in getting injured for a high school game. JMO, but historically factual.

Trinity has better athletes than Lamar. Lamar has better coaches, heart, discipline, everything else that goes into winning better than Trinity.

College coaches don't care if their recruit wins a state championship. They care that they are 6'2" 200# and run a 4.4. They will fix everything else.

They can't fix 5'10" 175# 5.0 Johnny at Lamar who is a great HS player, and gives everything he has, every single snap of every single practice, and every game but wasn't blessed with D1 athletic ability.

Does Lamar have talent? They sure do. Do they have 3 kids that could be playing on Sunday some day? They sure don't.

 

[Mitsurugi san]

I disagree with the notion that there are no D1 athletes in rural MO; the few there are just don't get promoted enough.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

I disagree with the notion that there are no D1 athletes in rural MO; the few there are just don't get promoted enough.

There are D-I athletes pretty much everywhere. There are generally more where there is a greater population however there isn't something the water in a certain area that makes athletes better. While D-1 potential generally means a player is a superior high school player some of the best high school,players I have seen were guys that because of their size, speed, measurables were not going to ever get D-1 offers but got more out of their potential at the high school level.

I'll give one example, about 10-12 years ago Camdenton had a RB named Dennis Chairs... maybe 160 tops. Was an absolute beast running with the ball. He was never going to play in the NFL as a RB but he could play RB for anyone in high school.

 

[Frototheheadhunter]

Trinity has better athletes than Lamar. Lamar has better coaches, heart, discipline, everything else that goes into winning better than Trinity.

College coaches don't care if their recruit wins a state championship. They care that they are 6'2" 200# and run a 4.4. They will fix everything else.

They can't fix 5'10" 175# 5.0 Johnny at Lamar who is a great HS player, and gives everything he has, every single snap of every single practice, and every game but wasn't blessed with D1 athletic ability.

Does Lamar have talent? They sure do. Do they have 3 kids that could be playing on Sunday some day? They sure don't.

Proofs in the pudding, at the table we sit at, but you wouldn't know; since you have never eaten any of the pudding. The disparity in recruiting is blatant and you are to asinine to admit it. FACT

 

[Frototheheadhunter]

Trinity has better athletes than Lamar. Lamar has better coaches, heart, discipline, everything else that goes into winning better than Trinity.

College coaches don't care if their recruit wins a state championship. They care that they are 6'2" 200# and run a 4.4. They will fix everything else.

They can't fix 5'10" 175# 5.0 Johnny at Lamar who is a great HS player, and gives everything he has, every single snap of every single practice, and every game but wasn't blessed with D1 athletic ability.

Does Lamar have talent? They sure do. Do they have 3 kids that could be playing on Sunday some day? They sure don't.

I would equally point out that combine times are available and studies of HS compared to college times on the internet. You will find very few who run under a 4.5 and many more who don't run under a 5. You put not effort in and merely want to present an argument which is simple to destroy. Lamar has several kids over 6' 2" and over 220 lbs. and equally run under 5. So do some homework. 6 state championships based against no state championships and you can't see that the ranking is BS. Your a real genius.

 

[Kenny56]

Not really educated on Lamar, other than seeing them play once. What did they do differently? They were pretty bad at one point correct? How did they establish this dominance at Class 2?

 

[Pinochet]

Not really educated on Lamar, other than seeing them play once. What did they do differently? They were pretty bad at one point correct? How did they establish this dominance at Class 2?

Their coaching staff does a really good job, but it's about the Jimmy's and the joes. They've had a really great run of talent, several players are starting and playing at various levels of college football from these teams. They have size and athletes at the same time. They have won 2 team state titles in track with 2 runner up finishes during this run. You combine those players with good coaching you get this kind of run.

 

[crusader_2]

Lamar does well for several reasons. They've established a culture. They've created a template that coaches can follow for kids as they come up through age-group into high school football. On offense, they run a scheme that allows them to put pressure on defenses and forces every defender to make a play or be prepared to make one ... so teams can't hide a weaker player and not pay for it. They are in an area where they don't have to compete with a dozen other schools for talented kids. Because of their success and the culture of the program I mentioned earlier, they have WAY more kids come out for football than a Class 2 school in STL would. In terms of enrollment, they're Class 2. In terms of the size of their roster, they're a Class 5 or 6 program. They're consistent. The scheme they run on offense and defense doesn't change. Lamar does what it does. Only the players change. They had ludicrous speed at RB the last 4 years. This year's kids might not have breakaway speed but their offense doesn't need long scores. Sustained drives break down teams, too ... and because other Class 2 teams have a significant number of their kids play huge minutes on both sides ignore the ball, Lamar is THAT much more effective as the game goes on.

They've got talent. Much of which can play on Saturday's. Being in a relatively remote area hurts them because coaches will prefer to hit metropolitan areas to see multiple kids from multiple schools. Trinity, Lutheran North and Lamar are on collision courses deep into the post-season. It'll be fun to watch.

 

[FootballCoach8]

Proofs in the pudding, at the table we sit at, but you wouldn't know; since you have never eaten any of the pudding. The disparity in recruiting is blatant and you are to asinine to admit it. FACT

I actually have a state championship ring as a coach. I've been at the table. Have you?

I didn't say anything bad about Lamar. I said they have better coaches, heart, discipline, etc. I said they have talent. Do they have future NFL prospects? No.

Did I say Trinity would kick their dick in during the semi final game this year? Sure didn't. Pull your head out of your ass. Not everybody is against Lamar.

 

[FootballCoach8]

I would equally point out that combine times are available and studies of HS compared to college times on the internet. You will find very few who run under a 4.5 and many more who don't run under a 5. You put not effort in and merely want to present an argument which is simple to destroy. Lamar has several kids over 6' 2" and over 220 lbs. and equally run under 5. So do some homework. 6 state championships based against no state championships and you can't see that the ranking is BS. Your a real genius.

Lamar has big kids. The Bailey brothers and others were great players. Those kids are gone. Does Lamar have new ones? Sure do. Do they have 3 kids that are 6' 2" + and 280+ ? Nope.

I am not destroying Lamar. I know Scott. I respect and admire what he has done.

6 state championships mean nothing this year. Those kids are gone. Those teams will never play together again. None of them. Ever. Never. Ask Scott, he can get it through your thick head.

Wilkerson is gone, Baileys are gone, Embry is gone, Hardman is gone, Tucker is gone, Mooney is gone, Wilkerson is gone, Peterson is gone, Beshore is gone, Keutzer is gone. Those kids don't play for Lamar anymore.

6 State championships mean nothing this year. Are the kids they have good enough to beat 10 D1 prospects? We will see, I hope so. I'm rooting for Lamar. I respect and admire greatness.

 

[FootballCoach8]

Not really educated on Lamar, other than seeing them play once. What did they do differently? They were pretty bad at one point correct? How did they establish this dominance at Class 2?

Scott starting doing everything his way or the highway. Admins trusted him to do so (extremely rare). He put his foot down on bad attitudes, bad decisions, and laziness. They were either all in or did not play. Kids that stayed were committed to doing everything the right way and the admins backed him the whole way. That is what turned Lamar around.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

Lamar has big kids. The Bailey brothers and others were great players. Those kids are gone. Does Lamar have new ones? Sure do. Do they have 3 kids that are 6' 2" + and 280+ ? Nope.

I am not destroying Lamar. I know Scott. I respect and admire what he has done.

6 state championships mean nothing this year. Those kids are gone. Those teams will never play together again. None of them. Ever. Never. Ask Scott, he can get it through your thick head.

Wilkerson is gone, Baileys are gone, Embry is gone, Hardman is gone, Tucker is gone, Mooney is gone, Wilkerson is gone, Peterson is gone, Beshore is gone, Keutzer is gone. Those kids don't play for Lamar anymore.

6 State championships mean nothing this year. Are the kids they have good enough to beat 10 D1 prospects? We will see, I hope so. I'm rooting for Lamar. I respect and admire greatness.

Not sure of their height, but the Lamar roster does actually show three offensive linemen heavier than 280 (and another at 275).

 

[Bleeding Red and Black]

Actually there is still a Hardman, Tucker, and Bailey there! Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard!!

 

[crusader_2]

I am not doubting LN is very good and think them or Trinity will give Lamar all they want if they get there. I would question the "very good class 4 team MICDS" part. They are 2-2 with close wins over class 3 teams with a combined 1-5 record. Seems the outcome was very predictable.

MICDS isn't very good this year. They lost some kids from last year and have the same coaches but aren't calling plays as well as they did in 2016-17 in spite of having the same scheme. They have athletes but don't use them very well. They appear to have overachieved last season. We'll see how they rebound this week.