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Luke Gregerson 2 year deal

Duck_walk

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Coming off his worst year at 33.
I hope he can bounce back.
Not exactly an inspiring move.
 
Well it sure seems to fit what the Birds are comfortable with. Still a long way to go to opening day, but nothing done yet that makes me think they will be more than a 84 to 86 win team
Cubs get Morrow for 2 years Cubs win the day on RPs and probably Chatwood vs Mikolas uhggg
 
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Well it sure seems to fit what the Birds are comfortable with. Still a long way to go to opening day, but nothing done yet that makes me think they will be more than a 84 to 86 win team
They said they wanted guys with big league experience, they didn't say they had to be good. :(
 
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Gregerson is a low risk signing, but he is coming off of his worst year. If we get another top notch arm then fine, but if this our big pick up for the bullpen oh oh
 
Gregerson is a low risk signing, but he is coming off of his worst year. If we get another top notch arm then fine, but if this our big pick up for the bullpen oh oh
Would seem he's a Rosie/Oh type replacement, with the assumption from me that the Birds are still targeting a closer.
 
Would seem he's a Rosie/Oh type replacement, with the assumption from me that the Birds are still targeting a closer.
Does he throw 100 mph and other pitches to go with it? If he's just a replacement for the Oh we saw this year then he ain't much.
 
But if we win 83 games, Mo can brag that Matheny has never had a losing record.
 
But if we win 83 games, Mo can brag that Matheny has never had a losing record.
And he will be right. Get the man a team not a bunch of hopefuls that you end up DFAing 2 players and a bunch of Memphis hopefuls. Don't get me wrong I have changed from being a staunch MM supporter, but still believe if given a good cast of ballplayers he will win.
 
Does he throw 100 mph and other pitches to go with it? If he's just a replacement for the Oh we saw this year then he ain't much.
Um, not quite. Tops out in the low 90's, I believe. I think he throws 2-3 pitches with the fastball and slider as his primary ones.
 
are we turning into the major league's indians?
Getting there. Until the Birds realize what they did 10 years ago doesn't work anymore I think they are destined to be a 82 to 86 win team. MO sounded like things just might not work out this year in the Post this morning. OH OH
 
He still struck a ton of guys up and had his velocity. Just had really bad luck with fly balls turning into HR at a much higher rate than in prior years (he'd been pretty good at avoiding HR for the preceding 6 seasons). For the price, this seems reasonable. $5 M only buys so much on the FA market.

He projects to be much better than someone like Broxton ever did.
 
Getting there. Until the Birds realize what they did 10 years ago doesn't work anymore I think they are destined to be a 82 to 86 win team. MO sounded like things just might not work out this year in the Post this morning. OH OH
Realistically, there's very little out there that is transformative to the Cards in the FA market, and Stanton turned them down. Have to wonder what other options they have to make a big move versus waiting to offer a 2019 free agent a boatload of cash (or take on a high paid guy so someone else can do so)
 
I wish we would have signed morrow instead. Cubs spent twice as much, but got a better reliever
I know Morrow was a hot item, but you do also have to consider he's been on the DL about 900 times, and he was just pushed to the absolute limit last October. The over under on total innings he pitches in the next two seasons is probably something like 95 innings. I wonder if some teams were scared about his arm.

The Cards, with all of their bullpen holes, may be able to get more value from spending $10 million on two guys who can eat 120-140 innings a year.
 
Face it. The Cubs have signed a starter and a reliever. As have the Cards. Both of the Cubs players are better than the Cardinals.

Gregerson was just unlucky this year?
You really should be his agent.
Dear god.
 
Cards GM said Machado is not a path they are likely to go down. Translation: I dont have man parts either but we will draw 3 million suckers and win 81.7 games.
 
Face it. The Cubs have signed a starter and a reliever. As have the Cards. Both of the Cubs players are better than the Cardinals.

Gregerson was just unlucky this year?
You really should be his agent.
Dear god.
The cards also have another 10 M a year or so to spend on top of that. Have to evaluate the total package. Especially if they end up signing Davis for something near that...I’d rather have our three guys.

Luck is a massive factor in reliever variance from year to year. The sample size is tiny. 2-3 HR either way can make someone good look average and vice versa. No decent MLB team is overly focused on 60 innings of pitching.
 
It’s tough to grade any team on December 12th. Especially a team trying to be as active as the cards.

The machado thing is disheartening. Especially after no stanton. Not sure where the transformative move is out there to get this team to 90 wins.
 
The cards also have another 10 M a year or so to spend on top of that. Have to evaluate the total package. Especially if they end up signing Davis for something near that...I’d rather have our three guys.

Luck is a massive factor in reliever variance from year to year. The sample size is tiny. 2-3 HR either way can make someone good look average and vice versa. No decent MLB team is overly focused on 60 innings of pitching.
I don't see how you can hold few more HR's against a pitcher when the ball was flying out of parks all over the country at a record pace this year.
 
I don't see how you can hold few more HR's against a pitcher when the ball was flying out of parks all over the country at a record pace this year.
relievers who give up 13 HR in 61 innings (65 including the playoffs) don't tend to last in the majors for very long unless they turn it around.

But, we're also talking about a guy who gave up 39 HR in his first ~530 innings as a major league pitcher, including doing fine in Houston in 2015 and 2016 as HR rates were spiking. The Cards are pretty clearly betting that a lot of this was a sample size driven blip based upon other stats plus their scouting. They made a similar bet on Cecil last year (Cecil gave up a lot more HR in 2016 than 2013-2015) and it turned out to be reasonable.
 
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