College basketball teams can't have dancers and sex parties for their players and future recruits. That's just not fair. Do we have anyone out there believing Rick Pitino will be fired before the college basketball begins?
Louisville Rick Pitino must resign or be fired
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I don't think he'll be fired, and I certainly don't think he'll quit. This stuff goes on far more than you think. Just not to this extent, as far as officially paying for it...Social media has created a need for these types of things to go underground. But to think recruits weren't taken to parties and introduced to some willing coeds before this is naive. It's a familiar practice.
The problem is always when you get caught, not that others haven't done the same thing.
Do think we should just turn a blind eye or should there be punishment?
I'm not sure the coed "hostess" thing used by the big football programs isn't worse. At least there was no question what was going to happen here and they were paid for the service. But I suppose that could be considered an illegal paid benefit.
Do think we should just turn a blind eye or should there be punishment? I think like any other benefit paid to for recruits, there should be penalty. Truthfully, I have no idea what the penalties would be for this case. But an assistant coach providing direct benefits for recruits can't be good. Would assume there would be something coming for the program.
I'm not sure the coed "hostess" thing used by the big football programs isn't worse. At least there was no question what was going to happen here and they were paid for the service. But I suppose that could be considered an illegal paid benefit.
True dat. A lot of folks, I would assume, read this story and are surprised this is happening. I read it and am saddened that I wasn't recruited by Louisville from 2010-2014.
The University of Louisville should not want anyone in charge of their basketball program who does not know what going on. The parties were taken place on campus and it appears everyone knew about it but the man in charge. Missouri coach Kim Anderson could turn the Louisville basketball program around in one year. The Basketball coach @ St. Louis University could also turn the Louisville basketball program around in less then a year.
Plausible deniability is a beautiful thing.
Turn what around? As a UK fan, I really don't like to admit it, but they're already pretty good.
The problem is the way Louisville got to be an elite team. Everyone connected with the Louisville basketball program who knew about this situation should be dismissed-fired and Rick Pitino should be the first to be dismissed. Former Louisville asst. coach Andre McGee who is employed with the Missouri-Kansas City basketball program should receive a 10 year ban by the NCAA. Am I wrong on this one?
Firing Pitino would send a powerful message but I am not sure the University is ready to pull the plug on him just yet.
Yes, you're wrong. IMO. Unless they find out, somehow, that Pitino knew or was funding this. It's major college athletics. It happens. And has happened for a long time. To me, there's not much difference in paying gals cash and giving the hostesses extra benefits for their services. This just in, college kids like to drink and get nekkid. I assume you punish McGee for whatever recruiting violations were committed, and move on. Call me crazy, but I don't think this is that big of a story beyond the recruiting violations. I'd say the UNC story is more disturbing.
For the record, Louisville was an elite team prior to 2010. Which is when the alleged events took place.
To say that a lot of college programs are doing this is not true. I would venture to say that very few programs are having staff members hire strippers and prositiutes to have sex with recruits. Big difference between hiring prostitutes and taking recruits to parties and introducing them to girls who are probably willing to sleep with them because of who they are.
It's very doubtful that Pitino survives this as Louisville's basketball coach, and even more unlikely that Andre McGee ever coaches again at the college level.
It's very doubtful that Pitino survives this as Louisville's basketball coach, and even more unlikely that Andre McGee ever coaches again at the college level.
How would you feel if it was your child who's name was on ESPN as reportedly having sex with a prostitute? Still wouldn't be a big deal?
My bad, that's what I meant by it happens all the time. Not the payment part. But to assume the "hostesses" aren't receiving benefits is just silly. They get access, tickets, gear, parties...whatever...both tangible and intangible. To say one is much different than the other just doesn't hold in my book. I get the moral police won't allow it, but that's just because it's out in the open.
If I had a problem with it, it would be with his decision. But I would view it no differently than a hookup with a hostess truthfully.
The hostesses were being paid to basically show the recruits and be eye candy. Not to have sex with them.
Ummmm...Ok. This is what I mean by naive. If that's what you believe, ok. We'll agree to disagree. That might be officially what has been said. It's my belief the expectations were different.
I get that. And that's why I say the punishment lies within whatever the violation is for payment/recruit stuff. Not the morality/immorality of the situation. People start throwing out inflated punishments because of their moral beliefs regarding the situation.
Public perception can drive punishment. I agree on the hostess thing. But it's don't ask don't tell and no one talks about it. Paid strippers and prostitutes are a different story. Especially when they talk about it. Still I'm sure they won't be able to link Pitino directly to any of it. He's already on the offensive saying the asst coach should just come clean and either admit or say it never happened. Gonna be hard to say nothing happened when multiple people are saying it did.
Whether or not other programs are doing it or not is irrelevant. Louisville did something very wrong, got caught, and there should be punishment. If Pitino knew about it (and it's hard for me to believe he didn't), he should be fired.
Regardless, Louisville is going to be punished harshly for this I would think.
Regardless, Louisville is going to be punished harshly for this I would think.
Agree on both. My point on the a lot of others are doing it was aimed at those who get their moral compasses out. Or are naive enough to think the behavior doesn't exist all over major college athletics. They got caught and will probably be punished. I'll be kind of interested to see how. Not a lot of precedent for this stuff. But I would think a coach providing benefits (can a stripper/working girl be classified as a benefit???) to recruits would certainly warrant a reduction in scholarships.
I saw someone else say, man, what is Kentucky doing to get all it studs given what is available to them right down the road in Louisville!
Your idea of a turnaround is very different than mine. I don't aspire for my schools to go 3-15 in the SEC.
Mizzou should call her a "massage therapist" and put her on the training staff. NCAA Championship coming within 5 years!
The real problem with the Louisville thing is it is so blatant that they were always going to get caught. It's too salacious to stay quiet forever.
You gotta be smarter about how you cheat than that.
You gotta be smarter about how you cheat than that.
In today's world of people profiting from scandals... Don't you think someone would have come out by now and said I was told to have sex with recruits when I was an escort? I don't believe for a second that the hostesses weren't sleeping with recruits. I just don't think they were being instructed to do so. I think it was more of a groupie type thing..... Girls sleeping with high profile recruits because of who they are. Happens on every campus every day. Hostess or not.
Big difference between the hostess system and team personnel purchasing prositiutes.
Bruce pearl got a 3 year show cause for essentially hosting (and lying about) an illegal BBQ for a recruit. I would think this would be a little more serious in the eyes of the NCAA, although I question the competency of the NCAA.
True story about the competency. And iirc, Pearl got the hammer more for the lying than the BBQ.
But, shhhhhhhhhh...I don't wanna know what T
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The report states, the dancing was free for players and recruits. Andre McGee supplied money for the sex part. I'm guessing the recruits could keep the money or use it to have sex with the prostitutes. I find this very difficult to believe Rick Pitino knew nothing about these parties. I do not feel sorry for coach Pitino, he has made millions of dollars being a successful college basketball coach and it now appears he did it illegally. Rick Pitino should go back to New York in retirement.
They get those assistants for a reason - plausible deniability.
As for the rest of it, no one is going to final fours running a truly clean program.
As for the rest of it, no one is going to final fours running a truly clean program.
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