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Let the airlines go bankrupt they don't need a second round of stimulus

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Why are we wasting millions of dollars of tax payer money trying to save a business that even after this is all over will be changed forever.


By even the most optimistic calculation, demand for air travel could take as much as two or three years to rebound, so what would a payroll extension package of a few months really accomplish? Upon close examination, nothing more than keeping airlines overstaffed for another few months. It is for this reason that a second round of payroll money to airlines should not be granted.

There are compelling arguments for why we need to protect airlines, such as the previously mentioned economic impact figures. I agree that U.S. airlines must be assisted. But paying for airlines to maintain an overstaffed workforce makes no sense.

In the early days of the COVID-19 crisis, airlines could see a drop in demand for travel coming. First it appeared that the affected areas would be isolated to Asia. Even Dr. Anthony Fauci stated in mid-February that the risk of the virus coming to America was “minuscule.”

No one saw the storm coming until it was too late, and the industry that was hammered the most was the global travel industry, which includes the world’s more than 800 commercial airlines. As of 2018, the travel industry accounted for $8.3 trillion of the world’s GDP and a staggering 313 million jobs — representing one in ten workers on the planet at the time.

The travel industry is an important component of the domestic and global economy. When the industry saw an unprecedented drop of more than 90 percent, the adverse economic impact was the driving force for preparing a stimulus package to assist U.S. airlines as never before.

Now they want more.

As we approach the October 1 deadline, airline executives are predicting an unprecedented wave of employee furloughs, and the collective number of airline employees affected could exceed 100,000. Unions representing airline employees are calling for a second round of aid to help delay these layoffs for another three to six months. But doing so would be a waste of taxpayer money.

By even the most optimistic calculation, demand for air travel could take as much as two or three years to rebound, so what would a payroll extension package of a few months really accomplish? Upon close examination, nothing more than keeping airlines overstaffed for another few months. It is for this reason that a second round of payroll money to airlines should not be granted.

There are compelling arguments for why we need to protect airlines, such as the previously mentioned economic impact figures. I agree that U.S. airlines must be assisted. But paying for airlines to maintain an overstaffed workforce makes no sense.

I understand the training needs for pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and others who cannot simply take an extended leave of absence and then immediately return to the flight line. There is (thankfully) a set of specific steps that must first be taken before these highly trained professionals can return to work. But to use this as justification for billions of dollars in payroll support begins to sound more like it’s being done in the interests of unions trying to protect their workers than out of concern for airlines during this operational challenge.

Sadly, the idea of a second round of federal aid to the airlines would necessitate further rounds of aid. There are better ways we can spend taxpayer money during these challenging times. Here’s hoping common sense will prevail by telling the airlines “no” to a second round of stimulus cash.
 
I tend to agree but it can't be a case of singling out airlines. Supply and demand should rule in all cases.

totally agree, many scholars much smart than me tend to think airline travel will be down for at least a decade if not more. This pandemic if anything has shown us we don't need to be traveling as much as we were to do business. I think restaurants will be another that will come out of this different.
 
Does it make sense in an economy of 10% unemployment to put those employees on the unemployment lines and pay $600 + a week for unemployment or let them work?
 
Does it make sense in an economy of 10% unemployment to put those employees on the unemployment lines and pay $600 + a week for unemployment or let them work?

Well should we do it for everybody then, why just help airline workers? There are many companies and workers suffering during this time, what makes airlines special? Disney is going to lay of 28,000 maybe they need a bailout that is the same number of airline workers.
 
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No it’s not a change of topic. A bailout is a bail out. That’s all we do. We pick winners and losers and then say we don’t want socialism. Bail out farmers. Bail out airlines. Bail out cruise lines. It goes on and on. We got money for all that. We bailed out Kanye and Jared’s family while a ton of small businesses have gone under. And we just act like it’s no biggie.

You put it that way I can agree with you, the problem is all politicians do it on both sides of the isle. I look at it like this if Biden goes after Trump for paying only $750 dollars in taxes he is basically going to have to attack Obama and himself because Trump was able to do that under the Tax Code that the Dems passed.
 
Yes and how did Trump address that problem? By cutting taxes of corporations and the wealthy by 1.5 TRILLION.

I agree, but I also believe that corporations should get tax cuts if they create jobs and pay decent wages to all of their workers along with benefits and keep those jobs and create more in America. Those companies should be rewarded with lower taxes. Those who move jobs over sees and put americas out of work should be taxed more because those profits are creating a burden on the American social safety nets so they need to pay more taxes because of that.

To be honest I don't have a big issue with corporate tax cuts, but what I do have issues with is tax cuts for the individual Wealthy like the Trumps. Individual income and wealth should be separated from corporate taxes in my opinion. And I think companies "corporations" that invest in the American worker and in America should be rewarded with lower taxes. Individual or so called CEO's income for those corporations should be taxed no different than their workers. But maybe they lose those tax breaks if they pay their CEO's say something like 25 times what their average worker makes. Make corporations actually earn their tax breaks by actually creating jobs and spreading the wealth.
 
Well should we do it for everybody then, why just help airline workers? There are many companies and workers suffering during this time, what makes airlines special? Disney is going to lay of 28,000 maybe they need a bailout that is the same number of airline workers.
I am not sure where it starts and where it stops. We have to decide whether the service provided is essential enough to keep it propped up. I don't necessarily like it, but I would rather those people get money for providing a service as opposed to receiving unemployment and not doing anything for it. I am not criticizing anyone for being on unemployment, I know what it is like to be out of a job, and need unemployment to survive. I just don't want anyone else to have to go through that.
 
I am not sure where it starts and where it stops. We have to decide whether the service provided is essential enough to keep it propped up. I don't necessarily like it, but I would rather those people get money for providing a service as opposed to receiving unemployment and not doing anything for it. I am not criticizing anyone for being on unemployment, I know what it is like to be out of a job, and need unemployment to survive. I just don't want anyone else to have to go through that.

I agree, I have been there, and because of it I changed profession learned and got a new career. My only concern is we would only be propping up the industry for another 6 months, it will take years to recover. So you have to at some point cut your loses and say hey, this just does not look feasible for the long term. I think I would be more inclined to do it if the CEO's pilots and unions would all say hey we will do whatever we will all take pay cuts to keep this going, but that is not happening they want to go about like nothing is wrong. Pony up and everybody takes huge pay cuts so you at least have a job with some income.
 
You put it that way I can agree with you, the problem is all politicians do it on both sides of the isle. I look at it like this if Biden goes after Trump for paying only $750 dollars in taxes he is basically going to have to attack Obama and himself because Trump was able to do that under the Tax Code that the Dems passed.
Did do it legally or by tax fraud? We just may find out one if he loses in November.
 
I agree, I have been there, and because of it I changed profession learned and got a new career. My only concern is we would only be propping up the industry for another 6 months, it will take years to recover. So you have to at some point cut your loses and say hey, this just does not look feasible for the long term. I think I would be more inclined to do it if the CEO's pilots and unions would all say hey we will do whatever we will all take pay cuts to keep this going, but that is not happening they want to go about like nothing is wrong. Pony up and everybody takes huge pay cuts so you at least have a job with some income.
The airline industry supports a gazillion other jobs. Kinda like the auto makers, if they go down for any reason it puts a LOT of people out of work that have never seen the inside of auto plant or belonged to union, they just make lots of stuff that gets put on cars in an auto plant.
 
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