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Did his family move to poo district other wise ineligible. I know Springfield has open enrollment but you have to establish school your frosh year.
The article said MSHSAA had cleared him, and if Trey Starks was eligible not sure any move between Springfield schools will ever be ruled ineligible.
I mean, Tyem leaving Hillcrest, and them not caring because he had no chance to eligible, and magically becoming eligible at Parkview, is also a precedent.
It is what it is....get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the other schools in Springfield aren't willing to play the AAU game, then they'll be mediocre to terrible every damn season. It's not the 1950's anymore!!!!!
If the other schools in Springfield aren't willing to play the AAU game, then they'll be mediocre to terrible every damn season. It's not the 1950's anymore!!!!!
Trevon Brazile of Kickapoo (formerly of Parkview) has committed to Mizzou. This team is going to be loaded this year! Have to be considered a favorite to take home the title.
But yet Pembroke Hill was stripped of their titles for the same thing in the Rush brothers era! They played summer AAU together, went to HS together and won, but was stripped of titles. SMH
The Rush brothers took money from their AAU coach Myron Piggie while they were at Pembroke Hill. Piggie pleaded guilty of conspiracy in federal court over the matter. I don't know that Pembroke Hill directly did anything wrong, as they may not have known that the Rush brothers had been paid to play.
Here is a link to the background of the case https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1161058.html
Here is a link to the background of the case https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1161058.html
That was a whole different story. The Rush brothers had been paid by their AAU coach. Have the Kickapoo players been paid by anyone? Waaaay different situation. If they all live in the school district and there is no other direct evidence of wrongdoing then there is nothing to see here.
They are all paid with hotel room, transportation and gear and food at that AAU level.
Once again, IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!!
SPS isn't going to enforce the rules within the district. it's very clear. You don't check the box on us, we won't do it to you. Unless that changes, nothing can be done!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, ONE thing can be done. START PLAYING THE AAU GAME!!!!! The SPS coaches know darn well what they've got to do to have a big time winner, so start playing the game!!!!!!
SPS isn't going to enforce the rules within the district. it's very clear. You don't check the box on us, we won't do it to you. Unless that changes, nothing can be done!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, ONE thing can be done. START PLAYING THE AAU GAME!!!!! The SPS coaches know darn well what they've got to do to have a big time winner, so start playing the game!!!!!!
Having said that, I'm still sticking to my position of not attending a single Kickapoo game this upcoming season (outside of the TOC) in protest of all this AAU crap, which has only helped Kickapoo over the years!
Bitter much? Glendale couldn’t win a state title when they had talent or even when you held a National ranking
Let's not get stupid here: Glendale has had as high a percentage of its varsity roster playing AAU ball as any program in SWMO for more than 20 years.
They just recently had what amounted to nearly an entire starting line-up that played for the exact same program as the kids on Kickapoo. The exact same AAU program.
They have had significant move ins of athletes who played AAU ball, even recently. I won't mention one name due to his unfortunate passing, but it hasn't been that long since Cam Maes moved there and he played for, wait for it ... the exact same program as the kids at Kickapoo.
The issue at Glendale is those AAU players they have had weren't quite as good as the ones currently at Kickapoo, but it's equally an historic disinterest in playing defense that is rivaled only by their football program, and a lack of toughness/willingness to play physical basketball.
Kickapoo has been atop the leaderboard of the key transfers in SWMO for three decades. But as always, people are all too quick to point to the key move ins at other schools while ignoring or justifying and explaining away the ones at their own school.
I'm currently pretty removed from basketball in the SWMO area these days, but like I have always said, I could still very quickly, off the top of my head, without any real thought or research, name multiple key move-ins at every school in SWMO that has had success. Every winning program has benefitted, at one time or another. Some more than others. Some, like the school I attended, haven't been able to get a key move in since they last won consistently. Some have suffered the loss of key transfers more than others.
But usually the schools and programs crying the loudest about this issue are the ones right down in the muck and the gutter themselves, hiring "assistant" coaches because they have an all-state son, checking the box on athletes that decide to leave after they looked the other way about how that athlete got there in the first place, looking the other way when an AAU teammate shows up "renting" in their community.
Need I go on?>
They just recently had what amounted to nearly an entire starting line-up that played for the exact same program as the kids on Kickapoo. The exact same AAU program.
They have had significant move ins of athletes who played AAU ball, even recently. I won't mention one name due to his unfortunate passing, but it hasn't been that long since Cam Maes moved there and he played for, wait for it ... the exact same program as the kids at Kickapoo.
The issue at Glendale is those AAU players they have had weren't quite as good as the ones currently at Kickapoo, but it's equally an historic disinterest in playing defense that is rivaled only by their football program, and a lack of toughness/willingness to play physical basketball.
Kickapoo has been atop the leaderboard of the key transfers in SWMO for three decades. But as always, people are all too quick to point to the key move ins at other schools while ignoring or justifying and explaining away the ones at their own school.
I'm currently pretty removed from basketball in the SWMO area these days, but like I have always said, I could still very quickly, off the top of my head, without any real thought or research, name multiple key move-ins at every school in SWMO that has had success. Every winning program has benefitted, at one time or another. Some more than others. Some, like the school I attended, haven't been able to get a key move in since they last won consistently. Some have suffered the loss of key transfers more than others.
But usually the schools and programs crying the loudest about this issue are the ones right down in the muck and the gutter themselves, hiring "assistant" coaches because they have an all-state son, checking the box on athletes that decide to leave after they looked the other way about how that athlete got there in the first place, looking the other way when an AAU teammate shows up "renting" in their community.
Need I go on?>
Yes, I am and proud to be bitter and I've got every right to be in that physiological state. You win as much as Glendale has over 56 years without much of anything in the trophy case and I bet you'd have the same feeling!!!!
Yes, I know all about the AAU players at Glendale over the years, but NONE of them (or very few) have been difference makers or the type who'll put the team on their backs and get to the Final Four (i.e. Brady Petry and Hillcrest in 2015). So, until we start getting the difference making AAU type talent, I'll be unhappy. LOL!
As far as defense goes, Hesser and Keltner sure got them to play defense, but a certain attitude crept into the program about ten years ago ("we'll just outscore them") and it's been tougher to shake that than I thought it would be. I can't answer for the football program. They had a decent defense in 2016 and went 11-1, so I don't know why they can't re-peat that. I recall they had certain players on defense in 2016 that took pride in it and they haven't had that type since. But I'd take the Mauk era of Glendale football over what had been going on there.
In reference to the AAU teams, move-ins/outs and all that, it seems the main problem is the inability of Glendale to put a team together that has good guards, forwards, and a center. We could've made a few runs here and there, but have lacked post-play since '99.
Four most likely 'Final Four' type teams that weren't in recent times for good ole Glendale:
2006-07: Tristan Steele transferred to Spokane for his senior season (they went to the Final Four) and a Parkview transfer couldn't make it through October open gym. We went 17-10, but should've been at least a quarterfinal team with maybe a 21-8 record.
2008-09: Matt Swan and Alex Sanders were injured in football, Chris Deines rarely played due to rupturing his patellar tendon over the summer and Trey Starks was injured & in trouble throughout the season. We went 20-7, but should've been at least a quarterfinal team with a 24-5 type record.
2011-12: The players hated Williamson and I've been told performed poorly on purpose so he wouldn't get the credit, which I don't agree with, but whatever. We went 19-8, but should've been about 21-6 or 22-5 if we had finished off Nixa in regulation.
2017-18: Lack of post-play, consistent defense (God, if we only had played defense like the Waynesville home game for the entire season!!!), and Parkview rising up a season early killed any post-season dreams. We finished 20-7, but should've been 23-7 and at least a quarterfinal team.
My school Lots of football wins most conference titles in conference history.....we got 4 final fours in basketball including 3 in a row.....and a state title in baseball. Would trade it all for a football state title feel your pain.....
Yeah, while I respect that you get right to the point on things and obviously have very strong opinions, I don't think it's a good idea to be bashing kids on here. He's only going to be a junior and played varsity as a sophomore, so #1, he's got time, and #2, he's got some varsity experience already and if he was that bad, I doubt that would be the case.
From someone on the other side of the state, it sure sounds like Springfield schools are cheating everyone else in the state.
Well, not sure it's cheating when kids move into a given district with their respective families. I mean, sure a lot of times it is for athletic reasons (but oftentimes for additional reasons along with athletics), but MSHSAA rules state that full family moves from one district to another are okay, as far as athletes being eligible to participate in sports. You don't have to provide a reason for the moves and it is just about impossible to prove that the moves were for athletic reasons.
That doesn't just happen in Springfield, that happens everywhere.
The problem with Springfield is that with at least one case the school the player was leaving wanted to check the box, but was told not to. So, it's a "wink, wink..nod, nod" type system going on that I don't think exists elsewhere in the state.
Now, on the other side of the coin the St. Louis area AD's clearly got together and screwed Christian Kirk in 2011 because they were mad about the Trey Starks to Hillcrest transfer the year before and felt Oakville would've won a state title had that not happened.
The whole deal needs to be reviewed, but I don't see any state entity willing to take it on.
Basically, if you're moving because you didn't get along with the coach or weren't getting enough playing time or the team wasn't winning enough, I don't care if the family actually moves or not, you should have to sit out of varsity play for 365 days!!!! Period the end!!!! It's setting a bad example for kids about how things will go for them in the real world.
Now, on the other side of the coin the St. Louis area AD's clearly got together and screwed Christian Kirk in 2011 because they were mad about the Trey Starks to Hillcrest transfer the year before and felt Oakville would've won a state title had that not happened.
The whole deal needs to be reviewed, but I don't see any state entity willing to take it on.
Basically, if you're moving because you didn't get along with the coach or weren't getting enough playing time or the team wasn't winning enough, I don't care if the family actually moves or not, you should have to sit out of varsity play for 365 days!!!! Period the end!!!! It's setting a bad example for kids about how things will go for them in the real world.
Agree. As long as a coach or teacher that moves because of disagreements with administration or school board (or hell, a better opportunity) has to go a year without working. Seeing as how we want to show them how the real world works.
Oh, stop being so literal!!!!
It's far more philosophical than that. I'd take FAR MORE pleasure from winning/success by overachieving than by being apart of some AAU created all-star team (Kickapoo '03 Vs. Hillcrest '15). I mean you're better than all the others and won, BIG DEAL...you were supposed to!!!! It takes away from the accomplishment, in my opinion.
"I don't like this and I'm taking my ball and going home..." that attitude is one of the MANY mental states that's helping to drive this country into the ground!!!!!!!!!! As well as the idiotic decision making of the administrative class.
It's far more philosophical than that. I'd take FAR MORE pleasure from winning/success by overachieving than by being apart of some AAU created all-star team (Kickapoo '03 Vs. Hillcrest '15). I mean you're better than all the others and won, BIG DEAL...you were supposed to!!!! It takes away from the accomplishment, in my opinion.
"I don't like this and I'm taking my ball and going home..." that attitude is one of the MANY mental states that's helping to drive this country into the ground!!!!!!!!!! As well as the idiotic decision making of the administrative class.
People are seeing the same thing in the NBA. Players getting together and creating "Super Teams".
It's never going to go away. Unfortunately, kids move from place to place in most every sport (all over the state). I see both sides to the argument. If a kid lives in a small town and has a legit shot at college, I don't blame them for moving to a more prestigious school that helps the athlete get more college exposure. Could be life changing for the player.
On the other hand, I disagree with the mentality some parents and athletes have regarding playing time, who's the coach, stat chasing mentality, etc.
Guess it comes down to intent, which is impossible to prove.
It's never going to go away. Unfortunately, kids move from place to place in most every sport (all over the state). I see both sides to the argument. If a kid lives in a small town and has a legit shot at college, I don't blame them for moving to a more prestigious school that helps the athlete get more college exposure. Could be life changing for the player.
On the other hand, I disagree with the mentality some parents and athletes have regarding playing time, who's the coach, stat chasing mentality, etc.
Guess it comes down to intent, which is impossible to prove.
