Keystone Pipeline goes down in the Senate

[3Rfan]

They thought they had the votes, it got 59 votes but needed 60.

I saw a story last night about the Souix Indians being against the pipeline crossing their land. They say they will NOT let it happen no matter who votes for it or signs a bill for it.

 

[vbsideout]

Our next little big horn

 

[Neutron Monster]

It'll pass in two months. Real question is can they get the votes they need then for a veto override.

With Ebola, this has to be up there as one of the most overrated political issues of 2014. It's a pipeline to move Canadian crude to the Gulf of Mexico where it will shipped overseas instead of shipping it by rail (which is happening right now). This is a lot more important for Canada and for the export destinations than it is for the US.
This post was edited on 11/18 7:51 PM by Neutron Monster

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
It'll pass in two months. Real question is can they get the votes they need then for a veto override.

With Ebola, this has to be up there as one of the most overrated political issues of 2014. It's a pipeline to move Canadian crude to the Gulf of Mexico where it will shipped overseas instead of shipping it by rail (which is happening right now). This is a lot more important for Canada and for the export destinations than it is for the US.
This post was edited on 11/18 7:51 PM by Neutron Monster

These issues keep folks like bleach and kenny occupied and not paying attention to the real issues.

 

[3Rfan]

The only thing we possibly get out of it is some temporary jobs. The downside is that is some nasty stuff when a leak occurs. They say it's nearly impossible to clean up. Easy for most of us to say why not do it but we don't live where it goes and don't have to worry about our water and land being contaminated by it. Even the new Senate has a long way to go get to 67 votes to override a veto. They might even have compromise on something else to get enough dems to vote with them to get there. Then there is the Indian Tribes to deal with. I don't know what kind of power they have to stop it on their land but they seem to think they can.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Originally posted by 3Rfan:
The only thing we possibly get out of it is some temporary jobs. The downside is that is some nasty stuff when a leak occurs. They say it's nearly impossible to clean up. Easy for most of us to say why not do it but we don't live where it goes and don't have to worry about our water and land being contaminated by it. Even the new Senate has a long way to go get to 67 votes to override a veto. They might even have compromise on something else to get enough dems to vote with them to get there. Then there is the Indian Tribes to deal with. I don't know what kind of power they have to stop it on their land but they seem to think they can.

My own personal opinion is it's a little more complex than that:

- It does pass through areas where the US is drilling crude; if anything ever happens in Canada, that's a nice asset that could be useful for us

- Running all that crude via the rail system has its own environmental concerns plus it increases the cost of shipping freight in the US (especially the Mountain West)

I come down on the side of building it when I add in those potential considerations provided I can get some guarantee from Transcanada or future operators that I can come at them for untold billions if anything ever goes wrong.

The Indian tribes have more power than the average American would guess that they do. They own that land as a sovereign nation; no company can force them to build a pipeline there.

 

[3Rfan]

I guess somebody better be finding another route then. In the story I saw those folks seemed to be pretty serious about not allowing it on their land.

 

[Drop.Tine]

Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
It'll pass in two months. Real question is can they get the votes they need then for a veto override.

With Ebola, this has to be up there as one of the most overrated political issues of 2014. It's a pipeline to move Canadian crude to the Gulf of Mexico where it will shipped overseas instead of shipping it by rail (which is happening right now). This is a lot more important for Canada and for the export destinations than it is for the US.

This post was edited on 11/18 7:51 PM by Neutron Monster

These issues keep folks like bleach and kenny occupied and not paying attention to the real issues.

#obsessed

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Originally posted by Drop.Tine:

Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
It'll pass in two months. Real question is can they get the votes they need then for a veto override.

With Ebola, this has to be up there as one of the most overrated political issues of 2014. It's a pipeline to move Canadian crude to the Gulf of Mexico where it will shipped overseas instead of shipping it by rail (which is happening right now). This is a lot more important for Canada and for the export destinations than it is for the US.

This post was edited on 11/18 7:51 PM by Neutron Monster

These issues keep folks like bleach and kenny occupied and not paying attention to the real issues.

#obsessed

Whens the next time I post that you WON'T reply? Indeed you are.

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[wcowherd]

The average American's life would not be changed by the keystone pipeline. Wouldn't affect the price of gas, wouldn't change the amount of oil available for refining, wouldn't change the amount of natural gas. It's a dumb issue.
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[millerbleach]

Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
It'll pass in two months. Real question is can they get the votes they need then for a veto override.

With Ebola, this has to be up there as one of the most overrated political issues of 2014. It's a pipeline to move Canadian crude to the Gulf of Mexico where it will shipped overseas instead of shipping it by rail (which is happening right now). This is a lot more important for Canada and for the export destinations than it is for the US.

This post was edited on 11/18 7:51 PM by Neutron Monster

These issues keep folks like bleach and kenny occupied and not paying attention to the real issues.

Which issues are you claiming concern over?
Ebola has never been a concern of mine except for the possibility of a suicide terrorist using it.
The pipeline is just a symptom of the problem with libs putting a very low interest in energy that isn't too expensive to be sustainable. All oil production and movement creates greater supply.

 

[3Rfan]

And as soon as prices start falling they all panic and cut production and stop drilling for more so prices will go back up.

 

[3Rfan]

I heard this morning the pipeline would create just over 42,000 "temporary" jobs and 35 (not a typo) "permanent" jobs. Not a real big return on the risk involved. Not to mention we may never get a drop of gas from the oil that will run through that pipeline.

 

[vbsideout]

3R we will get more than a drop when one of the pipes spring a leak!!!

 

[Scout 4u]

Sounds like Obama's "Shovel Ready Jobs" are working.
Unemployment.. 7.7 % Georgia

 

[vbsideout]

I didn't know the pipeline was running through Geogia

 

[3Rfan]

Our infrastructure needs some shovel ready jobs but the pubs won't hear of it. They're about to have a story on 60 Minutes talking about all the bridges in this country that need to be repaired or replaced. I believe the number is about 70,000 or 1 of every 9 bridges.

This post was edited on 11/23 6:49 PM by 3Rfan