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Kansas receives $1.29 from the federal government for every dollar residents pay in federal taxes, yet it's still closing schools, cutting funding to museums and canceling much-needed highway repairs due to lack of funding.

They are a national embarrassment. Trickle this Kansas, Welfare Queens.
 
But they did pass a law no longer requiring you take 8 days of lessons when purchasing a gun. Welcome to Oz Toto
 
Huh??

You have never had to have lessons in Kansas before purchasing a gun, much less 8 days of lessons.

What they did was stop requiring people wanting to carry a concealed weapon from going thru a useless training class. NOBODY EVER FAILS THE CLASS, its just a waste of time and raises money for gun shops running them.

If someone passes the background check and legally can purchase a gun they have the constitutional right to carry that firearm. Kansas just said people should not have to have a permit to excercise a freedom granted in the state and national constitution. It says "KEEP AND BEAR ARMS',,,,,,,,,,not just buy them and keep them in a closet in your home.

If you dont like it get constitutional amendments passed and ratified to do away with the second amendment.

At least in Kansas it has to be concealed so people dont get jumpy, in missouri we can open carry with a permit now
 
What schools has the state of kansas closed due to funding?? The state of Kansas funds districts at a much higher level than the State of Missouri does. School administrators need to be better managers. Superintendents are basically running pretty large non profit companies and a lot of times dont do a very good job doing it.

Museums need ran off of admissions fees or closed. They are nothing but a waste of money

Kansas consistently has their highway conditions and managment ranked in the top ten in the country , I travel a LOT for my job and Kansas is not even on my list of states to avoid because of bad roads.
 
Re: Huh??


Originally posted by Stevedangos:
You have never had to have lessons in Kansas before purchasing a gun, much less 8 days of lessons.

What they did was stop requiring people wanting to carry a concealed weapon from going thru a useless training class. NOBODY EVER FAILS THE CLASS, its just a waste of time and raises money for gun shops running them.

If someone passes the background check and legally can purchase a gun they have the constitutional right to carry that firearm. Kansas just said people should not have to have a permit to excercise a freedom granted in the state and national constitution. It says "KEEP AND BEAR ARMS',,,,,,,,,,not just buy them and keep them in a closet in your home.

If you dont like it get constitutional amendments passed and ratified to do away with the second amendment.

At least in Kansas it has to be concealed so people dont get jumpy, in missouri we can open carry with a permit now
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1. The idea that the Founders envisioned a world where people carried concealed handguns without any training is laughable. They didn't know what a handgun was.

2. The idea that we should base our gun policy on what someone wrote down 240 years ago even dumber.

The NRA has pulled a great con on society. Guns everywhere is generally bad policy.

Guns should be like many other things - available but subject to reasonable regulation, including laws on responsible use and laws on guns being registered.
 
Originally posted by Stevedangos:

What schools has the state of kansas closed due to funding?? The state of Kansas funds districts at a much higher level than the State of Missouri does. School administrators need to be better managers. Superintendents are basically running pretty large non profit companies and a lot of times dont do a very good job doing it.

Museums need ran off of admissions fees or closed. They are nothing but a waste of money

Kansas consistently has their highway conditions and managment ranked in the top ten in the country , I travel a LOT for my job and Kansas is not even on my list of states to avoid because of bad roads.
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MO spends more per pupil than KS as of 2012. Given the changes in law and funding since then, the gap can only have grown.

It is true that KS funds more at the state level, but that has more to do with MO funding very little at the state level (49th out of 50 states as a % of total ed funding) that it has to do with KS massively overfunding schools.

Lastly, KS is only gutting the schools because its governor and legislature are idiots who can't do math. There was no philosophical argument made that KS was overfunding schools. It's that the legislature and governor are gullible idiots who think tax cuts pay for themselves when they do not. Instead of restoring the revenue to fund the government they intended to have, they chose to gut the education budget.
This post was edited on 4/10 3:12 PM by Neutron Monster
 
Re: Huh??


Our founding fathers understood that the constitution would need changed over time.

That is why there is a way to make changes to both our state and federal constitutions in the way of Amendments.

If you dont like it, change it

And most everyone back in the the early days of our country carried a handgun. Small easily concealable single shot pocket pistols were carried by many people.
This post was edited on 4/10 3:35 PM by Stevedangos
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by Stevedangos:


And most everyone back in the the early days of our country carried a handgun. Small easily concealable single shot pocket pistols were carried by many people.

This post was edited on 4/10 3:35 PM by Stevedangos
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Re: Huh??


Originally posted by Stevedangos:

Our founding fathers understood that the constitution would need changed over time.

That is why there is a way to make changes to both our state and federal constitutions in the way of Amendments.

If you dont like it, change it

And most everyone back in the the early days of our country carried a handgun. Small easily concealable single shot pocket pistols were carried by many people.
This post was edited on 4/10 3:35 PM by Stevedangos
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I would amend the constitution to change the language of the second amendment.
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:

1. The idea that the Founders envisioned a world where people carried concealed handguns without any training is laughable. They didn't know what a handgun was.

2. The idea that we should base our gun policy on what someone wrote down 240 years ago even dumber.

The NRA has pulled a great con on society. Guns everywhere is generally bad policy.

Guns should be like many other things - available but subject to reasonable regulation, including laws on responsible use and laws on guns being registered.
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1. Wrong. There were lots of handguns!

2. Would you want to eliminate the other rights too since they are 240 years old? That is just poor logic.

Your opinion. If it was what Americans wanted, it would have already happened. You really have a hard time with Americans freely choosing how to live.
 
Re: Huh??

Considering we had to eliminate slavery and give women the right to vote, making a claim that the founders were magically right about everything 240 years ago is just plain silly.

If your point is I think people's rights should be limited when they reach too far into the rights of others, then yes, I agree. Guns are an example of something where this logic applies. Your right to carry a gun has impacts on others in ways that many other behaviors do not and that needs to be reflected in our laws.
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
Considering we had to eliminate slavery and give women the right to vote, making a claim that the founders were magically right about everything 240 years ago is just plain silly.

If your point is I think people's rights should be limited when they reach too far into the rights of others, then yes, I agree. Guns are an example of something where this logic applies. Your right to carry a gun has impacts on others in ways that many other behaviors do not and that needs to be reflected in our laws.
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Just once, JUST ONCE, where did I say ALL things the founders did 240 years ago was "magically right"! Just another strawman.

The problem with your point of view is you want your opinion of the way things ought to be forced on everyone else. I would love for everyone to do things my way too but prefer they choose it over being forced to do it and would prefer they get it wrong if they have to be forced..
 
Re: Huh??


Originally posted by millerbleach:

The problem with your point of view is you want your opinion of the way things ought to be forced on everyone else. I would love for everyone to do things my way too but prefer they choose it over being forced to do it and would prefer they get it wrong if they have to be forced..
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Lol. Yeah, that's not true.
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by millerbleach:
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
Considering we had to eliminate slavery and give women the right to vote, making a claim that the founders were magically right about everything 240 years ago is just plain silly.

If your point is I think people's rights should be limited when they reach too far into the rights of others, then yes, I agree. Guns are an example of something where this logic applies. Your right to carry a gun has impacts on others in ways that many other behaviors do not and that needs to be reflected in our laws.
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The problem with your point of view is you want your opinion of the way things ought to be forced on everyone else. I would love for everyone to do things my way too but prefer they choose it over being forced to do it and would prefer they get it wrong if they have to be forced..
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Well...
except for Abortion.
And if you're Muslim.
Or homosexual.
Or latino.
Or want to use drugs.
Or disagree with israel's tool.


Republiberalcans don't even realize they're all for big gubmint. Fauxnews has damaged our nation (and lots of folks ability to reason).
 
I now know where runny gets his news.

The bigger story out of that show was that the government makes money off of student loans, but not the money the banks borrow.
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:

Originally posted by millerbleach:

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
Considering we had to eliminate slavery and give women the right to vote, making a claim that the founders were magically right about everything 240 years ago is just plain silly.

If your point is I think people's rights should be limited when they reach too far into the rights of others, then yes, I agree. Guns are an example of something where this logic applies. Your right to carry a gun has impacts on others in ways that many other behaviors do not and that needs to be reflected in our laws.
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The problem with your point of view is you want your opinion of the way things ought to be forced on everyone else. I would love for everyone to do things my way too but prefer they choose it over being forced to do it and would prefer they get it wrong if they have to be forced..
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Well...
except for Abortion.
And if you're Muslim.
Or homosexual.
Or latino.
Or want to use drugs.
Or disagree with israel's tool.
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I would never force anyone to have an abortion!
What have I endorsed forcing Muslims to do?
What have I ever endorsed forcing homosexuals to do.
Latinos....really.
Don't want people to use drugs but it is their CHOICE as far as i'm concerned.
And who is Israels tool?

You've been taking notes on Rumors strawmen.
 
Re: Kansas has 293 school districts,,2 had to close

Because of lack of funds.

291 schools seem to be just fine

If 25% of the schools had to end the year early because of money I would say there is a funding issue

2 schools closing early out of 293 tells me they need to replace the people running those school districts
 
Re: Kansas has 293 school districts,,2 had to close

It tells me that kansas has a funding problem, considering the other 49 states manage to keep all their schools open for the whole school year.
 
Re: Kansas has 293 school districts,,2 had to close

It tells me that kansas has a funding problem, considering the other 49 states manage to keep all their schools open for the whole school year.
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by millerbleach:

Just once, JUST ONCE, where did I say ALL things the founders did 240 years ago was "magically right"! Just another strawman.
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Cmon NM, you got time to post about double spacing but not this?
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by millerbleach:
Originally posted by millerbleach:

Just once, JUST ONCE, where did I say ALL things the founders did 240 years ago was "magically right"! Just another strawman.
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Cmon NM, you got time to post about double spacing but not this?
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I think it's neat that you think you're making valid points running around with your hair on fire.

Keep it up.
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Originally posted by Stevedangos:
You have never had to have lessons in Kansas before purchasing a gun, much less 8 days of lessons.

What they did was stop requiring people wanting to carry a concealed weapon from going thru a useless training class. NOBODY EVER FAILS THE CLASS, its just a waste of time and raises money for gun shops running them.

If someone passes the background check and legally can purchase a gun they have the constitutional right to carry that firearm. Kansas just said people should not have to have a permit to excercise a freedom granted in the state and national constitution. It says "KEEP AND BEAR ARMS',,,,,,,,,,not just buy them and keep them in a closet in your home.

If you dont like it get constitutional amendments passed and ratified to do away with the second amendment.

At least in Kansas it has to be concealed so people dont get jumpy, in missouri we can open carry with a permit now
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1. The idea that the Founders envisioned a world where people carried concealed handguns without any training is laughable. They didn't know what a handgun was.

2. The idea that we should base our gun policy on what someone wrote down 240 years ago even dumber.

The NRA has pulled a great con on society. Guns everywhere is generally bad policy.

Guns should be like many other things - available but subject to reasonable regulation, including laws on responsible use and laws on guns being registered.
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Exactly! What we need is more government in our lives! You get a golden shooting star for the day Rumor!

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Re: Kansas has 293 school districts,,2 had to close


Originally posted by wcowherd:
It tells me that kansas has a funding problem, considering the other 49 states manage to keep all their schools open for the whole school year.
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Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house. Several school in Missouri are going to four days next year because of funding issues. Say what they want but it is a big cost savings in doing so. I wonder how hard it will be to keep elementary kids especially kindergarten age kids attention going for those long days? Plus now older kids will have one more day without any supervision.
 
Re: Huh??

That point is inane. There are plenty of examples of places where more government would be a good thing, and plenty of examples where the opposite is true.

Saying OMG THAT'S MORE GUBMINT IT AUTOMATICALLY CANNOT BE A GOOD IDEA is simple-minded foolishness just as the opposite is. Use your critical thinking skills.
 
Re: Kansas has 293 school districts,,2 had to close


We threw millions of dollars at the schools in Kansas City trying to fix a problem that had little or nothing to do with money and I dont know if anything was helped at all.

We have always been very lucky here to have great support from the community, right down the road in Neosho voters rejected bond issues for years to do anything for the district then finally passed a 24 million dollar bond to make much needed improvememts. In missouri where a lot of the funding comes from local sources one district can be knee deep in money and another next door be dead broke through no fault of their own
 
Re: Kansas has 293 school districts,,2 had to close


Originally posted by bullitpdq68:

Originally posted by wcowherd:
It tells me that kansas has a funding problem, considering the other 49 states manage to keep all their schools open for the whole school year.
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Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house. Several school in Missouri are going to four days next year because of funding issues. Say what they want but it is a big cost savings in doing so. I wonder how hard it will be to keep elementary kids especially kindergarten age kids attention going for those long days? Plus now older kids will have one more day without any supervision.
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I know they do it, but, man, it seems crazy to me given the day care issues.

I think I would love it if I were a teacher, though.
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Re: Kansas has 293 school districts,,2 had to close

There are several schools districts around us, one that is right next to us that is doing it. I work with some of those parents, some like the idea but others are going to have to find day care, or some kids will just have to go home unsupervised? Also it was talked about that over 50% of those kids are on reduced lunch programs. Wonder if they will be getting the same meals on those days that school is not in session.

There are a lot of funding issues and I don't know why we are talking about Kansas when Missouri also has issues.
 
Re: Kansas has 293 school districts,,2 had to close


Originally posted by bullitpdq68:
There are several schools districts around us, one that is right next to us that is doing it. I work with some of those parents, some like the idea but others are going to have to find day care, or some kids will just have to go home unsupervised? Also it was talked about that over 50% of those kids are on reduced lunch programs. Wonder if they will be getting the same meals on those days that school is not in session.

There are a lot of funding issues and I don't know why we are talking about Kansas when Missouri also has issues.
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Because Missouri isn't currently gutting its education funding. Kansas is.
 
Well I don't know how the math will work out but you are looking losing 8-3 which is about 7 hours. So I guess they will add about 1 and 45 minutes to each day? But not for sure but you would think on those longer days students will lose interest.

However this might be the next best thing in education, hard to tell it will be different for sure. But I sat in on a discussion where again this was discussed and how it was strictly a financial to save the district money. So what do you do in two or three years when the money saved doing this is now not enough to cover the short fall? Do you go to three days?
 
Everybody is avoiding the obvious. If you only work 4 days you don't have to provide health insurance for those part time workers (cooks, custodians, etc.) that would be required under Obamacare if there was a 5 day week.
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Originally posted by bullitpdq68:
But not for sure but you would think on those longer days students will lose interest.
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Doesn't seem to bother those Asian kids does it.
 
Originally posted by millerbleach:
Everybody is avoiding the obvious. If you only work 4 days you don't have to provide health insurance for those part time workers (cooks, custodians, etc.) that would be required under Obamacare if there was a 5 day week.
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Because they extend the four days! They aren't working under 30 hours a week. Also taking someone from 40 to 32 hours is still over 30 hours.

and the four day trend has been off and on for 40 years. It's not something now designed to get around obamacare.

math remains a tremendous challenge for you

This post was edited on 4/14 9:03 PM by Neutron Monster
 
I bet there is research that looks into the impact of the length of the school day on educational outcomes. I'd be looking into it if i were living in those districts.

This post was edited on 4/14 11:09 PM by Neutron Monster
 
Re: Huh??

Originally posted by Neutron Monster:
You didn't make a point worth responding to beyond what I posted before.
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Just once, JUST ONCE, where did I say ALL things the founders did 240 years ago was "magically right"!

Point? The only point I made was that you can't back up your claim. Looks like I was correct.
 
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