Just think if St. Pius X in KC decided to go the Trinity, LN, or Rock route?

[JNreturns]

They were just 6-5 in Class 3 this year. But what if they brought in a recruiter and floated some "scholarships"? They are right off I29, and have a population of 1.5 million within a 25 minutes in-all-directions perimeter. They could hit Wyandotte, Schagle, and Harmon in KCK, the Park Hills, and all of NKC. They could hit inner city KC hard, and even go as far as Liberty and East to Blue Springs. They probably have too much integrity for that.

 

[deacon jones]

They were just 6-5 in Class 3 this year. But what if they brought in a recruiter and floated some "scholarships"? They are right off I29, and have a population of 1.5 million within a 25 minutes in-all-directions perimeter. They could hit Wyandotte, Schagle, and Harmon in KCK, the Park Hills, and all of NKC. They could hit inner city KC hard, and even go as far as Liberty and East to Blue Springs. They probably have too much integrity for that.

One big factor: the public schools they compete with for students are good to great football programs, with great staffs and plenty of resources. AND are great places to send your kids to school (mainly Staley, Platte County, Park Hill, PH South, Smithville, Liberty, Liberty North).

 

[TrooperBaby]

Only school in KC area that is close to the recruiting that goes on in STL every year is rockhurst. Look how good they are almost every single year, sure they have down years here and there. St. Plus could be a very good football team not only in KC but in MO.

 

[JNreturns]

One big factor: the public schools they compete with for students are good to great football programs, with great staffs and plenty of resources. AND are great places to send your kids to school (mainly Staley, Platte County, Park Hill, PH South, Smithville, Liberty, Liberty North).

Just need a couple multi-millionaire donors... Capiche? I think the alums are probably happy with the way things are.

 

[bullitpdq68]

A buddy of mine was talking about this, I told him cAssville should recruit from NWA because of that 30 mile radius. Oh wait they are a public school....

 

[JNreturns]

One big factor: the public schools they compete with for students are good to great football programs, with great staffs and plenty of resources. AND are great places to send your kids to school (mainly Staley, Platte County, Park Hill, PH South, Smithville, Liberty, Liberty North).

Just three good players from Smithville, Park Hill, PHS, Staley, Tonka (well, maybe 1), Liberty, NKC, Liberty North, (2 from Kearney), (24 total) Then bring in the d-backs and rubbing backs from KCK. Get 5 to 10. Get some more athletic talent from Grandview, Raytown and Ray South. Man, we could go 2 deep with NCAA DII and DI and above in every position.

 

[deacon jones]

Just three good players from Smithville, Park Hill, PHS, Staley, Tonka (well, maybe 1), Liberty, NKC, Liberty North, (2 from Kearney), (24 total) Then bring in the d-backs and rubbing backs from KCK. Get 5 to 10. Get some more athletic talent from Grandview, Raytown and Ray South. Man, we could go 2 deep with NCAA DII and DI and above in every position.

Yes, my only point earlier is that players would have no incentive to leave many of those other programs. Unlike in StL, where nearly all of the public schools are crap. So they're not going to consolidate at one school, even if you do hire their Little League coaches.

 

[HomeyR]

They were just 6-5 in Class 3 this year. But what if they brought in a recruiter and floated some "scholarships"? They are right off I29, and have a population of 1.5 million within a 25 minutes in-all-directions perimeter. They could hit Wyandotte, Schagle, and Harmon in KCK, the Park Hills, and all of NKC. They could hit inner city KC hard, and even go as far as Liberty and East to Blue Springs. They probably have too much integrity for that.

They don't have the resources to do that...period.

 

[JNreturns]

Yes, my only point earlier is that players would have no incentive to leave many of those other programs. Unlike in StL, where nearly all of the public schools are crap. So they're not going to consolidate at one school, even if you do hire their Little League coaches.

I keep hearing that repeated, but when I look at school ratings and test scores, the public schools in St. Louis are like 20 out of the top 30.

 

[Rcarlisle314]

I keep hearing that repeated, but when I look at school ratings and test scores, the public schools in St. Louis are like 20 out of the top 30.

Exactly, Suburban STL schools actually perform better academically than KC suburban schools. Example, CBC QB lives in a school district that is one of the best in the state. The average ACT score is on par with CBC's. Some athletes go private for better schools, but a lot go private for other reasons like team success, exposure, networking, etc. Inner city KC is already being raided by the public school programs there.

 

[JNreturns]

Exactly, Suburban STL schools actually perform better academically than KC suburban schools. Example, CBC QB lives in a school district that is one of the best in the state. The average ACT score is on par with CBC's. Some athletes go private for better schools, but a lot go private for other reasons like team success, exposure, networking, etc. Inner city KC is already being raided by the public school programs there.

KC Public schools are atrocious...just terrible. Some have great facilities though, and I am sure they have staffs that work harder than anyone, and probably care more than anyone. (Go check out the football field and track at Central High---excellent facility.)

 

[JNreturns]

They have a good history:

1979 State Runners-up
1981 State Champs
1998 State Champs
1999 State Runners-up
2000 State Champs
2002 State Champs

Pretty good pedigree. Now, someone with money can step up?

 

[FBisLife12]

I keep hearing that repeated, but when I look at school ratings and test scores, the public schools in St. Louis are like 20 out of the top 30.

You keep hearing it because the same clown keeps repeating it.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/missouri

 

[JNreturns]

You keep hearing it because the same clown keeps repeating it.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/missouri

And...
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MO/schoolrank.aspx?level=3 On School-digger, it is almost all St. Louis in the top ten.

 

[cr7707]

One big factor: the public schools they compete with for students are good to great football programs, with great staffs and plenty of resources. AND are great places to send your kids to school (mainly Staley, Platte County, Park Hill, PH South, Smithville, Liberty, Liberty North).

Agree. the tough part is their main competition for players is Staley. Hard to compete with that, especially when it's free.

Rockhurst has the advantage in that every kid that lives in the Brookside area or around the plaza and in south Kansas city has no option but to go the private school route.

 

[cr7707]

It could be maybe done at Hogan, get all the athletes in the inner city. basically the old interscholastic league schools. the problem is that I don't think their is any talent to be had anymore. The youth programs in the city are non- existent.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Yes, my only point earlier is that players would have no incentive to leave many of those other programs. Unlike in StL, where nearly all of the public schools are crap. So they're not going to consolidate at one school, even if you do hire their Little League coaches.

Isn’t that a pretty big blanket you’re putting on StL public schools?

 

[blue and white pride]

The only private schools that play MSHSAA sanctioned football in the KC metro area are Rockhurst, Pembroke Hill, St. Pius X, St. Michael the Arc Angel and Summit Christian Academy.
Years ago you had DeLaSalle, Bishop Lillis, Bishop Hogan, Bishop O'Hara, St. Mary's (Independence).
St. Louis City and St. Louis County have 16 private school's.
Bishop DuBourgh, Cardinal Ritter, Chaminade, CBC, DeSmet, John Burroughs, Lutheran North, Lutheran South, MICDS, The Principia, Priory, Vianney, SLUH, St. Mary's, Trinity Catholic and Westminster Christian Academy.
They used to have even more Augustinian Academy, DeAndries Catholic, McBride Catholic, Mercy Catholic, St. Thomas Aquainis, St. Thomas-Mercy Catholic, John F. Kennedy.

 

[bhunt95]

St Pius is not what it once was. The Kansas City Mob has be losing its power base over the years. So the money that use to flow to St Pius is not what it once was.

 

[BPcompete]

It could be maybe done at Hogan, get all the athletes in the inner city. basically the old interscholastic league schools. the problem is that I don't think their is any talent to be had anymore. The youth programs in the city are non- existent.

Yea the KC people dont speak on this much. Hogan Prep is ALWAYS loaded with prospects in basketball and always good at football.

 

[FBisLife12]

The only private schools that play MSHSAA sanctioned football in the KC metro area are Rockhurst, Pembroke Hill, St. Pius X, St. Michael the Arc Angel and Summit Christian Academy.
Years ago you had DeLaSalle, Bishop Lillis, Bishop Hogan, Bishop O'Hara, St. Mary's (Independence).
St. Louis City and St. Louis County have 16 private school's.
Bishop DuBourgh, Cardinal Ritter, Chaminade, CBC, DeSmet, John Burroughs, Lutheran North, Lutheran South, MICDS, The Principia, Priory, Vianney, SLUH, St. Mary's, Trinity Catholic and Westminster Christian Academy.
They used to have even more Augustinian Academy, DeAndries Catholic, McBride Catholic, Mercy Catholic, St. Thomas Aquainis, St. Thomas-Mercy Catholic, John F. Kennedy.

There are more than 16 private schools with football programs in the STL Metro Area. You left out Borgia, St. Dominic, Duchesne, Whitfield, Lutheran St. Charles, Altoff, and a few others.

 

[blue and white pride]

None of those you mention are in St. Louis City of St. Louis County. You are listing St. Charles County, Franklin County or Jefferson County.

There are more than 16 private schools with football programs in the STL Metro Area. You left out Borgia, St. Dominic, Duchesne, Whitfield, Lutheran St. Charles, Altoff, and a few others.

 

[blue and white pride]

Hogan Prep is a Charter School. Bishop Hogan (Catholic) High School of Kansas City became Hogan Preparatory Academy (Charter School) in 1999.

Yea the KC people dont speak on this much. Hogan Prep is ALWAYS loaded with prospects in basketball and always good at football.

 

[CaptainBackslap]

Whitfield doesn’t have football either

 

[blue and white pride]

Private Schools in
Franklin County; St. Francis Borgia.
St. Charles County; Christian HS, Duchesne, Lutheran St. Charles, St. Dominic
Jefferson County; St. Pius X

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

Exactly, Suburban STL schools actually perform better academically than KC suburban schools. Example, CBC QB lives in a school district that is one of the best in the state. The average ACT score is on par with CBC's. Some athletes go private for better schools, but a lot go private for other reasons like team success, exposure, networking, etc. Inner city KC is already being raided by the public school programs there.

Don't leave Bishop Miege out of this KC inner city conversation.............just saying.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

St Pius is not what it once was. The Kansas City Mob has be losing its power base over the years. So the money that use to flow to St Pius is not what it once was.

Is this called (help me out PC police) cosanostraphobia?

 

[blue and white pride]

Altoff is Illinois right? That's like me listing Bishop Miege of Overland Park, Kansas while we trying to discuss Missouri private schools. It just doesn't make sense.

There are more than 16 private schools with football programs in the STL Metro Area. You left out Borgia, St. Dominic, Duchesne, Whitfield, Lutheran St. Charles, Altoff, and a few others.

 

[bhunt95]

Is this called (help me out PC police) cosanostraphobia?

It's spelled "Civella" lol

I have a cousin that graduated from Pius last year. My Uncle about sh*t a brick when he found out his son (my cousin) was dating Civella's granddaughter. Warned him don't do something stupid. he may have to answer for it.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

It's spelled "Civella" lol

I have a cousin that graduated from Pius last year. My Uncle about sh*t a brick when he found out his son (my cousin) was dating Civella's granddaughter. Warned him don't do something stupid. he may have to answer for it.

The kids, especially these days, are very detached from the old days. I took my nephew and niece in-law to the Mob museum in Vegas year before last. They had lots about the Civellas some of it oh so close to home due to my family owning Northland businesses way back when................they had a room with a book and microphone where visitors could tell their experiences. They gave you 30 seconds verbally and a page to write. An attendant noticed I was looking it over intently and asked me to share my story. Told her it would take longer than the allotted time she asked how much..............I said hours and was not kidding. That is all....................

 

[FBisLife12]

None of those you mention are in St. Louis City of St. Louis County. You are listing St. Charles County, Franklin County or Jefferson County.

With the exception of Borgia, all of them are within 20 mikes (30 min) from downtown St. Louis. They’re part of Metro STL and the families and athletes are within the 25 mile radius required by MSHSAA. Including Alton, IL.

 

[FBisLife12]

Altoff is Illinois right? That's like me listing Bishop Miege of Overland Park, Kansas while we trying to discuss Missouri private schools. It just doesn't make sense.

There are students that live in Belleville, IL that attend private high schools in MO. There are also students in MO that attend Altoff. Altoff plays against STL Area high schools in MO. I live in STL. If you don’t, then you might want to take the word of someone that does when discussing what private schools are significant or relevant to the area. You’re free to think whatever you choose to.

 

[bhunt95]

Samething happens in KC Metro. Rockhurst about 50% MO 50%. Would bet Bishop Miege at least 25% MO kids

 

[Veer2Eternity]

They have a good history:

1979 State Runners-up
1981 State Champs
1998 State Champs
1999 State Runners-up
2000 State Champs
2002 State Champs

Pretty good pedigree. Now, someone with money can step up?

That was all before staley

 

[cr7707]

That was all before staley

...and the multiplier

 

[WaggleQB]

They were just 6-5 in Class 3 this year. But what if they brought in a recruiter and floated some "scholarships"? They are right off I29, and have a population of 1.5 million within a 25 minutes in-all-directions perimeter. They could hit Wyandotte, Schagle, and Harmon in KCK, the Park Hills, and all of NKC. They could hit inner city KC hard, and even go as far as Liberty and East to Blue Springs. They probably have too much integrity for that.

Pius had some GREAT football teams late 90's early 00's, not that they recruited but kids wanted to play for coach Beyers.

 

[JNreturns]

That was all before staley

Oak Park was Staley back then.

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

...and the multiplier

Miege has won 5 consecutive Kansas 4A titles. It is embarrassing (KS has no multiplier).

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

Pius had some GREAT football teams late 90's early 00's, not that they recruited but kids wanted to play for coach Beyers.

Late 80s, too. Remember the HC in 1989 being interviewed and he called them the "Notre Dame of the Northland".

 

[blue and white pride]

Tradition will only get you so far in today's high school world.The game has trickled down from the college level to the high school level. Today's kids want to play in nice facilities. They want trendy uniforms etc. If look at the stadium at Pius it looks like it did 30 years ago. No matter how much winning went on 25 years ago. Kids want want is relevant now. I'm sure there are other factors as well that have been mentioned above, but I will have to agree with the Staley assessment.