ISIS or ISIL?
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Don't want people reminded they control a chunk of both Iraq and Syria thus changing the S to an L.
L is for Levant. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Levant is Eastern Mediteranian.
L is for Levant. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Levant is Eastern Mediteranian.
I don't think it's possible with Islamic countries. It would be like trying to change America into a Islam based theocracy. Two polar opposite bases. Islam and democracy are opposing notions.Originally posted by 3Rfan:
Spreading democracy has worked so well.
Is Christianity democratic? Judaism obviously isn't when you see the apartheid going on in IsraelOriginally posted by millerbleach:
I don't think it's possible with Islamic countries. It would be like trying to change America into a Islam based theocracy. Two polar opposite bases. Islam and democracy are opposing notions.Originally posted by 3Rfan:
Spreading democracy has worked so well.
I knew it was a fools errand but there was also the punishment factor. Democracy is not possible but I don't separate Islam by nation.
Are Jews Christians to you?Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:
Is Christianity democratic? Judaism obviously isn't when you see the apartheid going on in IsraelOriginally posted by millerbleach:
I don't think it's possible with Islamic countries. It would be like trying to change America into a Islam based theocracy. Two polar opposite bases. Islam and democracy are opposing notions.Originally posted by 3Rfan:
Spreading democracy has worked so well.
Apartheid? Defending your citizens from attack is not apartheid.
Ultimately, what Israel does or doesn't do has no bearing on whether Islam and democracy are compatible, which they aren't. Christianity and democracy work hand in hand.
This post was edited on 8/24 2:08 PM by millerbleach
I think you're wrong about democracy and Christianity.Originally posted by millerbleach:
Are Jews Christians to you?Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:
Is Christianity democratic? Judaism obviously isn't when you see the apartheid going on in IsraelOriginally posted by millerbleach:
I don't think it's possible with Islamic countries. It would be like trying to change America into a Islam based theocracy. Two polar opposite bases. Islam and democracy are opposing notions.Originally posted by 3Rfan:
Spreading democracy has worked so well.
Apartheid? Defending your citizens from attack is not apartheid.
Ultimately, what Israel does or doesn't do has no bearing on whether Islam and democracy are compatible, which they aren't. Christianity and democracy work hand in hand.
This post was edited on 8/24 2:08 PM by millerbleach
If morality is based on a majority rules as it is in Democracy, why do we need a Bible and the authority of God's word? Authoritarian is anathema to Democracy.
The Christian /catholic church even accepting Democracy is a rather recent event. In fact most Christians involved politically today actually take away liberty and personal autonomy.
Hence..the term hypocrisy is valid with most 'Christian' pols and many common folk.
I prefer isis. I believe it stands for I suck, I suck. That probably just put me on a hit list...
I never said Christianity was a democracy. I said they worked well together. Democracy allows for freedom to share your faith without fear of retribution. When I say democracy i'm referring to the US version which is not a true democracy of majority rules.
Your definition of Christian and mine are probably vastly different too.
Islam strives for the extermination of other faiths through force while Christianity strives for conversion through persuation.
Islamic extremists. Whether you think that included Iraq or not is irrelevant to me because i'd rather fight them in Iraq than the mountains.
I have never been in favor of the movement we created in northern Africa.
We had absolutely NO reason to attack Iraq under GW Bush. HW did what needed to be done to run them out of Kuwait and backed off. Iraq was not involved in the attacks of 9/11 and they were NO threat to our homeland. Iraqis were not on those planes, Saudis were. GW dropped the ball in Afghanistan to go to Iraq and we have paid dearly for it, both in lives, lost or ruined and money. Now there is Islamic extremists in Iraq, they were not there before we took over.
I never said they were but they sure came. That was my point. I'd rather fight them in the dessert than the mountains. Someday soon you will realize they are all extremists.
The Bible and the Koran both say to kill non-believers. You can say whatever you want but it's in there in black and white.
What mountains? WE screwed this whole thing up by trying to police the world and spread democracy! Don't you think it's about time we let someone else jump in? Like maybe the Saudi's or any of the other oil rich bastards that let us do their dirty work while supporting the bad guys behind the scenes. Do they think ISIS would let them live if they get there? I have an idea, maybe Israel could stop bombing the Palestinians to smitherines and send a few bombers to blow up the crazies with some real fire power. Fire power that WE left behind for them to grab and use against any and everybody they want.
Should I take Veer to the woodshed again? I've done it so many times yet he waits about a month and starts again. He calls it fishing but he's just wrong.
I have never said we should have attacked Iraq. I do believe we were better able to fight the terrorists in the desserts of Iraq than the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan. If we left a residual force in Iraq we wouldn't have the ISIS problem we do.
Feel free to get the Saudis to take our flace. What you fail to see is they are the same people who form ISIS. You keep looking back and saying we shouldn't (fill in the blank) but they will force us to just like 911.
Son you couldn't find the map to a woodshed to take me to.
Does or does not the Holy Bible instruct to kill non-believers that won't become Christians.
This is a Yes or No question.
One word....no....it does not.
Now, do you deny that i've shown you multiple times that the scripture CLEARLY states that Christians not only do not have to follow the Levitical law but are commanded not to?
Thanks in advance.
The terrorists were NOT in Iraq until WE invaded it. That invasion may have been the single best recruiting tool for terrorists they have ever had. I don't expect the Saudis to take our place, or even fork over a few billion to help us pay for the protection we give them. I don't expect it but they certainly should and they certainly should NOT be funding terrorists behind our back. It would be nice if our real allies stepped up a little more. Isn't Israel our ally? Isn't nearly all of Europe our allies? Why is it WE should stop Putin when it's Europe that is most affected by his actions? Why is it WE should stop ISIS when ALL of the Middle East is most affected by their actions? Saddam Hussein did NOT force us to attack him, we CHOSE to do that.
I answered your question but you don't answer mine......what a surprise! Admit it.......woodshed again.
You do realize that printing stuff on the internets is the same as putting them in the paper right?
Which girl are you meaning? Please be specific so I can document.
Anyone who believes that we can stop the civil wars that are going on in the Middle East rally don't understand the way those people live their lives. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, ect. will continue to kill each other until they are eliminated from this earth and that can't be done. Even if you nuked them there would still be survivors and they would continue to wage war against each other in the name of Allah or Mohammed or God. They will always be at war and we will not change that!!!!!
Because you comment a lot about what Muslims believe. I'm curious if you know what Islam actually teaches.
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I have read it some but don't study it like the Bible. Found very little usefulness in the Quran.
The Bible tells me all I need to know about Muslims.
If you think Islam is a religion of peace, where are the outcrys from "moderate muslims" against the actions of "radicals"? I find no condemnation of radicals by "mainstream" muslims.
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