Is the fix in on Sanders?

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The DNC is now trying to change the format of the next Dem debate. Biden doesn’t want it to be a head to head like most debates are. Instead, the DNC wants to have a town hall where the audience asks questions and limit the back and forth between Biden and Sanders.

Sure sounds like the DNC has the fix on Sanders. Everyone knows Biden would get eaten alive in a debate. His cognitive state is completely gone.

 

[Draftpik]

The press and Democrat candidates have specifically criticized Bidens mind for a year. No matter what happens, it's clear Bernie is not supposed to win the nomination. Pretty simple.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Trump's mind is going, too. Listen to him mispronounce words and lose his trend of thought mid sentence. White House staffers have been saying it for awhile.

 

[Expect2Win]

Trump's mind is going, too. Listen to him mispronounce words and lose his trend of thought mid sentence. White House staffers have been saying it for awhile.

And Bernie had a heart attack. ALL of them are too old to be running. Just like 4 years ago, you hold your nose as you vote.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

The DNC is now trying to change the format of the next Dem debate. Biden doesn’t want it to be a head to head like most debates are. Instead, the DNC wants to have a town hall where the audience asks questions and limit the back and forth between Biden and Sanders.

Sure sounds like the DNC has the fix on Sanders. Everyone knows Biden would get eaten alive in a debate. His cognitive state is completely gone.

After today Biden should have a sizable lead. I don’t think he can last 90 minutes in a head to head debate with Sanders let alone Trump so yes I think the DNC has determined the less exposure the better.

Sanders doesn’t have the balls to really go after Biden though so the changes will get made.

 

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After today Biden should have a sizable lead. I don’t think he can last 90 minutes in a head to head debate with Sanders let alone Trump so yes I think the DNC has determined the less exposure the better.

Sanders doesn’t have the balls to really go after Biden though so the changes will get made.

I actually beg to differ on Sanders there. He’s losing and after today, will he down big IMO. If he really wants to be the nominee, he has to hit Biden hard and he knows that.

He is the one fighting to keep the rules the same and not change the format. He just didn’t think Joe was that big of a deal in the last couple debates, and he wasn’t. Bloomberg was the one spending the cash and gaining ground on him. Joe just slipped in out of the bushes and now Bernie has to attack him.

 

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The DNC should also let Tulsi on that stage. According to their rules after Super Tuesday, she would qualify for the stage. Now they have changed them so she can’t participate.

So much for being the diverse party.

 

[SadButTrue]

Kind of like not having primaries in some states.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Putting Tulsi in the debate is a disservice to voters. Like half the delegates will have been awarded and she's won a de minimis amounts of votes and delegates. She has no chance, nor is she a particularly interesting candidate - it's not like she has a unique policy like Yang had that would be interesting to hear about, nor does she represent some meaningful D constituency. If you're going to keep having debates (which I think it sort of meaningless at this point given how many people have voted), it should be only Joe and Bernie.

There have already been so many votes and debates; I can't find myself capable of caring about yet another D debate when it's pretty clear who the nominee will be. The Ds should compress the voting schedule and have fewer debates.

 

[Stop n Go]

There have already been so many votes and debates; I can't find myself capable of caring about yet another D debate when it's pretty clear who the nominee will be. The Ds should compress the voting schedule and have fewer debates.

That last vote took place with 4 people on the ballot. The last debate took place with 7 people.

There’s a tremendous difference with 7 people on the stage than 2. Biden wasn’t even on the map when the last debate took place. Head to head against Bernie and he gets crushed. The DNC doesn’t want that. Thus the reasoning in changing the format.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Putting Tulsi in the debate is a disservice to voters. Like half the delegates will have been awarded and she's won a de minimis amounts of votes and delegates. She has no chance, nor is she a particularly interesting candidate - it's not like she has a unique policy like Yang had that would be interesting to hear about, nor does she represent some meaningful D constituency. If you're going to keep having debates (which I think it sort of meaningless at this point given how many people have voted), it should be only Joe and Bernie.

There have already been so many votes and debates; I can't find myself capable of caring about yet another D debate when it's pretty clear who the nominee will be. The Ds should compress the voting schedule and have fewer debates.

I think the Dems deserve to see how Biden will do 1 on 1. I don't think Bernie has any chance of winning, but it will give the DNC a chance to see how bad Trump will tear up Biden in a debate. Biden the last few debates looked lost, his go to line is Obama this and Obama that.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Putting Tulsi in the debate is a disservice to voters. Like half the delegates will have been awarded and she's won a de minimis amounts of votes and delegates. She has no chance, nor is she a particularly interesting candidate - it's not like she has a unique policy like Yang had that would be interesting to hear about, nor does she represent some meaningful D constituency. If you're going to keep having debates (which I think it sort of meaningless at this point given how many people have voted), it should be only Joe and Bernie.

There have already been so many votes and debates; I can't find myself capable of caring about yet another D debate when it's pretty clear who the nominee will be. The Ds should compress the voting schedule and have fewer debates.

At this point I agree. Tulsi has zero chance of being the nominee though I do think there was an effort to keep her off the stage after she took out Kamala Harris.

I would like to see one full Bernie vs Biden debate just for the train wreck but it does Biden no good to be under any more scrutiny than he has to be.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I think the Dems deserve to see how Biden will do 1 on 1. I don't think Bernie has any chance of winning, but it will give the DNC a chance to see how bad Trump will tear up Biden in a debate. Biden the last few debates looked lost, his go to line is Obama this and Obama that.

I think that's fair to see how he does 1 on 1. That is different. It's just awfully late in the process now.

 

[Stop n Go]

It is not about being awfully late in the process. Every voter deserves the right to see him in debate and if he can handle it or not.

I am not saying Trump is killing it at the handling of this virus. But how would Joe do if this happened now? US population is 325+ million and there is 763 confirmed cases of the virus. The population in Italy is 60 million and there are 9,172 cases of the virus. The travel ban worked. Joe was against the travel ban.

The true Joe hasn't even came out yet. It is pretty darn easy to cut and edit videos to make yourself look good. Look at Bloomberg.

 

[SadButTrue]

I think the Dems deserve to see how Biden will do 1 on 1. I don't think Bernie has any chance of winning, but it will give the DNC a chance to see how bad Trump will tear up Biden in a debate. Biden the last few debates looked lost, his go to line is Obama this and Obama that.

trump would tear anybody up unless he is held accountable for any lie he tells when he tells it.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

The DNC machine had their candidate picked a year ago. Just like 2016. The DNC knows Sanders is too far left to beat Trump, and I agree.

Neither Sanders nor Biden win a majority of delegates on the first vote without super delegates at the convention. The DNC machine throws all the super delegates to Biden on the second vote.

The debates will be entertaining, but useless. Forget the issues. People have their minds made up already. This will be the Trump vote vs. the Anti Trump vote.

I'll vote NO

 

[Neutron Monster]

It is not about being awfully late in the process. Every voter deserves the right to see him in debate and if he can handle it or not.

I am not saying Trump is killing it at the handling of this virus. But how would Joe do if this happened now? US population is 325+ million and there is 763 confirmed cases of the virus. The population in Italy is 60 million and there are 9,172 cases of the virus. The travel ban worked. Joe was against the travel ban.

The true Joe hasn't even came out yet. It is pretty darn easy to cut and edit videos to make yourself look good. Look at Bloomberg.

The travel ban didn't work. It's here! That doesn't mean it was a bad idea, but you have to acknowledge the virus still made it here. It's also pretty clear that much of the transmission ex-China occurred via Iran...simply locking down China wasn't a 100% successful strategy, because the third world health systems were bound to miss something like this.

The US is behind at where it should be on testing and identifying hot spots. That was a Federal failure. We still are vastly underreporting case counts. That needs to be addressed so we can take more decisive action - much of which must be taken at a state and local level.

I am struggling with your positive view of the President's performance in the last few days. The #1 thing POTUS should be doing is affirming the messaging coming from the CDC and others. Instead he's saying bizarre stuff and yammering about stocks while Pence is the one running the response. The market is just ignoring him.

This sort of scenario is exactly the sort of scenario where Trump will perform terribly. He does not listen to experts and he has no ability to stay on a defined message that is set by someone else. He's tweeting that we need the wall and pretending he can jawbone the stock market higher.

 

[Neutron Monster]

The DNC machine had their candidate picked a year ago. Just like 2016. The DNC knows Sanders is too far left to beat Trump, and I agree.

Neither Sanders nor Biden win a majority of delegates on the first vote without super delegates at the convention. The DNC machine throws all the super delegates to Biden on the second vote.

The debates will be entertaining, but useless. Forget the issues. People have their minds made up already. This will be the Trump vote vs. the Anti Trump vote.

I'll vote NO

I can readily believe the DNC wanted Joe but it's not like they went all in for him. Heck, they'd left him for near dead two weeks ago, and he had very few endorsements compared to what Clinton had in 2016. They also reformed the debate and delegate calendar with Sanders involvement.

Sanders had his shot, but the party didn't vote for him. It's as if his base probably wasn't as wide as some thought four years ago, and that the anti-Clinton voters in the D party were generally fine with Biden. Or the borderline Sanders/Trump voters went and voted in the 2020 Republican primary.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

The travel ban didn't work. It's here! That doesn't mean it was a bad idea, but you have to acknowledge the virus still made it here.

The US is behind at where it should be on testing and identifying hot spots. That was a Federal failure.

I am struggling with your positive view of the President's performance in the last few days. The #1 thing POTUS should be doing is affirming the messaging coming from the CDC and others. Instead he's saying bizarre stuff and yammering about stocks while Pence is the one running the response. The market is just ignoring him.

This sort of scenario is exactly the sort of scenario where Trump will perform terribly. He does not listen to experts and he has no ability to stay on a defined message that is set by someone else. He's tweeting that we need the wall and pretending he can jawbone the stock market higher.

The virus was always going to make it here. It doesn’t mean the travel ban didn’t help.

Gavin Newsom who hates Trump with the fury of 1000 suns was praising his response today.

 

[Neutron Monster]

The virus was always going to make it here. It doesn’t mean the travel ban didn’t help.

Gavin Newsom who hates Trump with the fury of 1000 suns was praising his response today.

If the goal was to avoid the virus transmitting once it arrived, as was inevitable, you needed to be ready to test all over. We were late on the Seattle, SF, and NYC outbreaks relative to where we should have been.

FDA and CDC have picked it up (finally) and I'm encouraged by the Congressional response.

 

[Stop n Go]

The travel ban didn't work. It's here! That doesn't mean it was a bad idea, but you have to acknowledge the virus still made it here. It's also pretty clear that much of the transmission ex-China occurred via Iran...simply locking down China wasn't a 100% successful strategy, because the third world health systems were bound to miss something like this.

I am struggling with your positive view of the President's performance in the last few days.

I know the virus made it here. You can't honestly sit there and tell me you thought the travel ban would 100% keep the virus out of the US.

I showed you real life numbers of the difference a travel ban does versus not having one (i.e. Italy). And no where did I say he's done a fantastic job or that he's killing it here. I simply was pointing out the differences in a travel ban vs no travel ban which is what Biden was in favor of.

If you want to continue to ignore the context of how would Biden do with this virus in is current cognitive state as well as his past records of dealing with a virus, then so be it.

 

[bullitpdq68]

If the goal was to avoid the virus transmitting once it arrived, as was inevitable, you needed to be ready to test all over. We were late on the Seattle, SF, and NYC outbreaks relative to where we should have been.

FDA and CDC have picked it up (finally) and I'm encouraged by the Congressional response.

I like what I heard today. The coronovirus is not a quick passing storm, it is going to be like a long winter, and we are just in the middle of the first week.

And when you have people under quarantine who have been exposed to it and refuse to stay home to attend dance yes it transmitting is inevitable. And the more we learn about it like that you are more contagious before you show symptoms then after the better off we will be in trying to mitigate it.

 

[Expect2Win]

I like what I heard today. The coronovirus is not a quick passing storm, it is going to be like a long winter, and we are just in the middle of the first week.

And when you have people under quarantine who have been exposed to it and refuse to stay home to attend dance yes it transmitting is inevitable. And the more we learn about it like that you are more contagious before you show symptoms then after the better off we will be in trying to mitigate it.

I hope I am misunderstanding you.
I read that suggesting that you liked hearing it was a long winter and not a fast-moving storm and we are just getting started.

Did I misunderstand? I don't think you are hoping for it to be around a long time.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I hope I am misunderstanding you.
I read that suggesting that you liked hearing it was a long winter and not a fast-moving storm and we are just getting started.

Did I misunderstand? I don't think you are hoping for it to be around a long time.

Sorry yeah boy I butchered that up for sure. No I don't like that it is going to be long, I meant I liked how he worded it to make the public understand. And I think he is right, I think we are going to be affected by this for a very long time this is just the start of a long journey. At some point either the public will just accept this is going to be our course and get back on with their lives, I just don't think we will continue to be able to hid our heads in the sand forever I just don't see how that will be possible. We will see how this journey goes.

 

[Expect2Win]

Ok, thanks. I didn't think that was what you meant, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something that would make it better that it was going to be around for a while.

 

[3Rfan]

It is not about being awfully late in the process. Every voter deserves the right to see him in debate and if he can handle it or not.

I am not saying Trump is killing it at the handling of this virus. But how would Joe do if this happened now? US population is 325+ million and there is 763 confirmed cases of the virus. The population in Italy is 60 million and there are 9,172 cases of the virus. The travel ban worked. Joe was against the travel ban.

The true Joe hasn't even came out yet. It is pretty darn easy to cut and edit videos to make yourself look good. Look at Bloomberg.

How many do you think there will be if we ever start testing in any significant way like other countries are doing?

 

[3Rfan]

The DNC machine had their candidate picked a year ago. Just like 2016. The DNC knows Sanders is too far left to beat Trump, and I agree.

Neither Sanders nor Biden win a majority of delegates on the first vote without super delegates at the convention. The DNC machine throws all the super delegates to Biden on the second vote.

The debates will be entertaining, but useless. Forget the issues. People have their minds made up already. This will be the Trump vote vs. the Anti Trump vote.

I'll vote NO

Was Biden even in the race a year ago?

 

[3Rfan]

It is not about being awfully late in the process. Every voter deserves the right to see him in debate and if he can handle it or not.

I am not saying Trump is killing it at the handling of this virus. But how would Joe do if this happened now? US population is 325+ million and there is 763 confirmed cases of the virus. The population in Italy is 60 million and there are 9,172 cases of the virus. The travel ban worked. Joe was against the travel ban.

The true Joe hasn't even came out yet. It is pretty darn easy to cut and edit videos to make yourself look good. Look at Bloomberg.

Being on a debate stage is NOTHING like taking care of business when you're president. When you are president you have LOT'S of people around you to discuss and help with pretty much every decision and unlike the current president most actually listen to them. There is pretty much no decision he would make without talking to his top staff. He wouldn't have to do much of anything on the spur of the moment like you do in a debate. It ain't like he's gonna launch nukes without having a discussion about it. I'd much rather have somebody in the Oval Office that makes some mistakes when speaking over a guy that just flat out lies to us and the world all day everyday.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Being on a debate stage is NOTHING like taking care of business when you're president. When you are president you have LOT'S of people around you to discuss and help with pretty much every decision and unlike the current president most actually listen to them. There is pretty much no decision he would make without talking to his top staff. He wouldn't have to do much of anything on the spur of the moment like you do in a debate. It ain't like he's gonna launch nukes without having a discussion about it. I'd much rather have somebody in the Oval Office that makes some mistakes when speaking over a guy that just flat out lies to us and the world all day everyday.

Yes Biden has shown to have so much more composure than that of Trump... Come on. They are both two grumpy old men. You are really going to tell people this is so much better than Trump.

"You're full of shit," Biden told the man who accused him of "actively trying to end the Second Amendment."

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...auto-worker-over-guns-curses-at-him/23945913/

 

[Neutron Monster]

I know the virus made it here. You can't honestly sit there and tell me you thought the travel ban would 100% keep the virus out of the US.

I showed you real life numbers of the difference a travel ban does versus not having one (i.e. Italy). And no where did I say he's done a fantastic job or that he's killing it here. I simply was pointing out the differences in a travel ban vs no travel ban which is what Biden was in favor of.

If you want to continue to ignore the context of how would Biden do with this virus in is current cognitive state as well as his past records of dealing with a virus, then so be it.

Realistically, in a situation like this, the President needs to do two things:

- Listen to the FDA/CDC/other experts and let them do their jobs
- Support their messages while providing a voice of comfort and reason to the nation

Trump's ability to listen to experts and stay on message as a voice of comfort are not his strong suits. I'd rather have Joe in this situation.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Yes Biden has shown to have so much more composure than that of Trump... Come on. They are both two grumpy old men. You are really going to tell people this is so much better than Trump.

"You're full of shit," Biden told the man who accused him of "actively trying to end the Second Amendment."

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...auto-worker-over-guns-curses-at-him/23945913/

There's a difference between a tit for tat in an in person discussion and whatever you'd call the Trump twitter feed. The only messages Trump stays on are the ones he comes up with in his head.

 

[bullitpdq68]

There's a difference between a tit for tat in an in person discussion and whatever you'd call the Trump twitter feed. The only messages Trump stays on are the ones he comes up with in his head.

I don't agree with Trumps twitter feed I don't even follow him, hell half the time I don't care for what comes out of his mouth.
However what I do like is he has been pretty consistent doing in the office with what he ran on. Obama told so many lies and changed his stance once he was in office, With Trump you know what you get he said he Would work on NAFTA he did Obama promised he would would work on NAFTA and once in office he said nope it is good, let's do TPP now....And yes I voted for Obama based on what he said he would do, which he did nothing.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I don't agree with Trumps twitter feed I don't even follow him, hell half the time I don't care for what comes out of his mouth.
However what I do like is he has been pretty consistent doing in the office with what he ran on. Obama told so many lies and changed his stance once he was in office, With Trump you know what you get he said he Would work on NAFTA he did Obama promised he would would work on NAFTA and once in office he said nope it is good, let's do TPP now....And yes I voted for Obama based on what he said he would do, which he did nothing.

Trump clearly cared about 2 issues, and he's focused on those two issues.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Trump clearly cared about 2 issues, and he's focused on those two issues.

Which is more than we can say for some.

 

[3Rfan]

That last vote took place with 4 people on the ballot. The last debate took place with 7 people.

There’s a tremendous difference with 7 people on the stage than 2. Biden wasn’t even on the map when the last debate took place. Head to head against Bernie and he gets crushed. The DNC doesn’t want that. Thus the reasoning in changing the format.

The only thing a debate now will do is hand the Trump campaign a bunch of ads to run against whomever the nominee is. All they have to do is run clips of the debate with them slamming each other and show Trump saying I approved this message. Why make it so easy for em?

 

[millerbleach]

The Dems need to hide Biden from the public as much as possible now. He can't put a complete sentence together so, debating isn't in their interests. Sanders will push hard on that if they cancel any debates.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

The Dems need to hide Biden from the public as much as possible now. He can't put a complete sentence together so, debating isn't in their interests. Sanders will push hard on that if they cancel any debates.

They already have the debate on selection Sunday when few people will be paying attention. I think Biden has to have one debate and then if he survives he can go into hiding.

 

[3Rfan]

They already have the debate on selection Sunday when few people will be paying attention. I think Biden has to have one debate and then if he survives he can go into hiding.

Do you think people have really been paying attention to the debates at all? They had so many on stage they couldn't get a word in edgewise? I've seen way more of the debates on news clips than I ever watched live. You can all the highlights and leave out the jumbled up mess that way. What any of them said in a debate wouldn't be very likely to make up my mind anyway.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

Do you think people have really been paying attention to the debates at all? They had so many on stage they couldn't get a word in edgewise? I've seen way more of the debates on news clips than I ever watched live. You can all the highlights and leave out the jumbled up mess that way. What any of them said in a debate wouldn't be very likely to make up my mind anyway.

The first Bloomberg debate has a lot of people watching. Not so much since.

 

[Stop n Go]

Iowa Debate- 11.3 million watched
New Hampshire Debate- 11 million watched
Nevada Debate (Bloomberg’s 1st)- 33.16 million watched
South Carolina Debate- 15.3 million watched