Is Free Speech Under Siege ?
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Re: ISIS
The attackers were speaking French with no accent. They could have been inspired or trained by ISIS or any other Muslim extremist group. ISIS didn't even exist when the same magazine was fire bombed 3 year ago for a cartoon about Muhammed. Anybody anywhere can attack people and yell something about Allah or Muhammed if they're crazy enough to be inspired by ISIS or Al Qaida, but ISIS as an army is not a threat to the U.S. These guys were after specific targets even inside that building. They knew when they would all be gathered around a table together so they could get the maximum kill rate of those they wanted to hit.
The attackers were speaking French with no accent. They could have been inspired or trained by ISIS or any other Muslim extremist group. ISIS didn't even exist when the same magazine was fire bombed 3 year ago for a cartoon about Muhammed. Anybody anywhere can attack people and yell something about Allah or Muhammed if they're crazy enough to be inspired by ISIS or Al Qaida, but ISIS as an army is not a threat to the U.S. These guys were after specific targets even inside that building. They knew when they would all be gathered around a table together so they could get the maximum kill rate of those they wanted to hit.
Re: ISIS
Yes there is always a possibility that ISIS could cause damage in our country, but you have said and politicians have said that they are coming over here and destroy us. These types of statements are just scare tactics. We have a better chance of some idiot walking into a school or movie theatre and killing dozens of people than we do ISIS,, where is your outrage about that.
Yes there is always a possibility that ISIS could cause damage in our country, but you have said and politicians have said that they are coming over here and destroy us. These types of statements are just scare tactics. We have a better chance of some idiot walking into a school or movie theatre and killing dozens of people than we do ISIS,, where is your outrage about that.
Re: ISIS
In what statement did I say that ISIS or any other group for that matter is coming to the United States to destroy US?
Your play on words are way off...
I have said in post from the past that the threat of Freedom is in jeopardy, not death...
In what statement did I say that ISIS or any other group for that matter is coming to the United States to destroy US?
Your play on words are way off...
I have said in post from the past that the threat of Freedom is in jeopardy, not death...
Re: ISIS
Islamic terrorism is a threat to US interests here and abroad. ISIS a symptom of this; not a cause of it.
I think you're starting with the fundamentally misguided idea because of al Qaeda. Al Qaeda was an organization dedicated to terrorism against Western interests and the interests of their allies. This is not what ISIS is. ISIS is a regional group focused on rebellion/revolution in its territory, including the imposition of an extremely strict set of laws in the territory it controls. ISIS is not a traditional terror network focused on sowing chaos abroad.
Casting ISIS as a "threat to the US" similar to a traditional terror network is a simplistic, misguided viewpoint.
The challenge in 2015 is that Islamic terrorism inspired by ISIS is generally a domestic terrorism issue due to lone wolf-type of attacks. This is not really an ISIS issue; it is an issue of domestic citizens becoming radicalized by something. This existed prior to ISIS and it will exist long after ISIS is gone. Weakening ISIS may help limit the appeal of militant Islam to some, but I tend to have a lot of skepticism that it will make much of a difference overall. We've gone from al qaeda to anwar al awlaki to ISIS. Something else will be there next to publish lots of pro-terrorist propaganda on the internet.
Islamic terrorism is a threat to US interests here and abroad. ISIS a symptom of this; not a cause of it.
I think you're starting with the fundamentally misguided idea because of al Qaeda. Al Qaeda was an organization dedicated to terrorism against Western interests and the interests of their allies. This is not what ISIS is. ISIS is a regional group focused on rebellion/revolution in its territory, including the imposition of an extremely strict set of laws in the territory it controls. ISIS is not a traditional terror network focused on sowing chaos abroad.
Casting ISIS as a "threat to the US" similar to a traditional terror network is a simplistic, misguided viewpoint.
The challenge in 2015 is that Islamic terrorism inspired by ISIS is generally a domestic terrorism issue due to lone wolf-type of attacks. This is not really an ISIS issue; it is an issue of domestic citizens becoming radicalized by something. This existed prior to ISIS and it will exist long after ISIS is gone. Weakening ISIS may help limit the appeal of militant Islam to some, but I tend to have a lot of skepticism that it will make much of a difference overall. We've gone from al qaeda to anwar al awlaki to ISIS. Something else will be there next to publish lots of pro-terrorist propaganda on the internet.
Re: ISIS
The problem with your statement is it doesn't focus on the cause of the threat; it focuses on a scary boogeyman to rile people up.
Re: ISIS
Much of our freedom was taken away on 9/11 but what's the alternative to giving up some privacy? Outside of a bullet to the head hackers right here in our country can do more damage to you, me and the country as a whole than any terrorist ever could if they try hard enough.
Much of our freedom was taken away on 9/11 but what's the alternative to giving up some privacy? Outside of a bullet to the head hackers right here in our country can do more damage to you, me and the country as a whole than any terrorist ever could if they try hard enough.
Re: ISIS
The way you put it there was NO misinterpreting what you were saying. You used only ISIS because THEY are the latest perceived threat and I'd bet if we went back we would find where you have said they are a threat to US in this country. ANYONE with their crazy ideology is a threat to do something like what happened in Paris in any other country or city in the world no matter where they were born or where they currently live. One thing ISIS seems to do better than other radical groups is use social media to get to people any and everywhere.
The way you put it there was NO misinterpreting what you were saying. You used only ISIS because THEY are the latest perceived threat and I'd bet if we went back we would find where you have said they are a threat to US in this country. ANYONE with their crazy ideology is a threat to do something like what happened in Paris in any other country or city in the world no matter where they were born or where they currently live. One thing ISIS seems to do better than other radical groups is use social media to get to people any and everywhere.
Re: ISIS
Not to mention the potential governmental and societal responses to "ISIS" and "Islamic Terrorism/Extremism" are very different.
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Stevedangos
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Re: ISIS
Last time Middle Eastern Muslim extremists attacked the USA , 19 of them killed 3000 people in a couple of hours and its just an act of god and the heroism of NYC police and firefighters that it wasnt ten times that amount.
Just go on believing they arent a threat, thats exactly what people like them count on. Did you see them shoot the unarmed cop laying on the ground ?? they have no fear of anything and need exterminated.
Last time Middle Eastern Muslim extremists attacked the USA , 19 of them killed 3000 people in a couple of hours and its just an act of god and the heroism of NYC police and firefighters that it wasnt ten times that amount.
Just go on believing they arent a threat, thats exactly what people like them count on. Did you see them shoot the unarmed cop laying on the ground ?? they have no fear of anything and need exterminated.
Re: ISIS
No one in this entire thread has said Islamic terrorism isn't a threat. No one has said anything about not being vigilant about foreign attacks. You're just making stuff up in your head.
Re: ISIS
This is the sort of thing that makes libertarians roll their eyes at Republicans when they call themselves the party of small government.
Also, the hypocrisy of those who support strict domestic surveillance policies but act outraged like government intervention into other causes of death (i.e. gun control, workplace safety mandates, seat belt laws, Clean Air Act coverage of pollution, etc.) is some grave imposition on the American way of life.
This is the sort of thing that makes libertarians roll their eyes at Republicans when they call themselves the party of small government.
Re: ISIS
Reports say of the guys from the attack in France is dead the other two are in custody. That alone tells me these guys were NOT true Muslim extremists. Most of those folks are NOT afraid to die for their cause and do NOT get taken alive.
Reports say of the guys from the attack in France is dead the other two are in custody. That alone tells me these guys were NOT true Muslim extremists. Most of those folks are NOT afraid to die for their cause and do NOT get taken alive.
Re: ISIS
It's still a fluid situation, the French just put out warrants for the two who are brothers claiming they are still on the loose. The 18 year old is in custody per AFP.
Re: ISIS
I saw that. Early reports on this stuff are wrong many times. They say when the 18 year old kid's name was put out there that some students tweeted that they had the wrong guy that he was in class with them when the attack took place. We'll see if he surrendered to authorities to get cleared of being involved. The brothers they are showing pictures of have been in trouble before for calling for this kind of thing.
I saw that. Early reports on this stuff are wrong many times. They say when the 18 year old kid's name was put out there that some students tweeted that they had the wrong guy that he was in class with them when the attack took place. We'll see if he surrendered to authorities to get cleared of being involved. The brothers they are showing pictures of have been in trouble before for calling for this kind of thing.
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Reports that he walked into a police station and surrendered on his own do create some doubt as to whether he was definitively involved.
I also want to know what the police where doing in Reims today.
Reports that he walked into a police station and surrendered on his own do create some doubt as to whether he was definitively involved.
I also want to know what the police where doing in Reims today.
Re: Is Free Speech Under Siege?
To give an answer to the edited version of your original post, YES free speech is under attack by that kind of groups but it ain't nothin new and it's not just freedom of speech that they hate. They have NEVER liked anybody making fun if them and they hate any kind of freedom. They want total control over their people, especially women.
I should add that your post claims that we DID believe free speech was not under attack by such groups. I don't know if anybody on here believed that to begin with, they have fought wars over our freedoms forever.
This post was edited on 1/8 8:09 AM by 3Rfan
To give an answer to the edited version of your original post, YES free speech is under attack by that kind of groups but it ain't nothin new and it's not just freedom of speech that they hate. They have NEVER liked anybody making fun if them and they hate any kind of freedom. They want total control over their people, especially women.
I should add that your post claims that we DID believe free speech was not under attack by such groups. I don't know if anybody on here believed that to begin with, they have fought wars over our freedoms forever.
This post was edited on 1/8 8:09 AM by 3Rfan
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Stevedangos
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Re: Is Free Speech Under Siege?
What's very stupid is one of the two shooters was convicted on terrorism charges. He served 18 months of a measly 5 years they gave him.
Makes you wonder what the guys we are releasing from Gitmo have on their mind to do.
No way in hell we should be releasing any of them
What's very stupid is one of the two shooters was convicted on terrorism charges. He served 18 months of a measly 5 years they gave him.
Makes you wonder what the guys we are releasing from Gitmo have on their mind to do.
No way in hell we should be releasing any of them
Re: Is Free Speech Under Siege?
Most people at Gitmo either can be released because they never really were a serious jihadi or they can be convicted in a court and sent to jail. We should focus on clearing those people out.
I think a number of the people currently at Gitmo cannot be released but also we don't have the evidence to convict them in a court of law. They are likely to remain some sort of detainee forever.
Most people at Gitmo either can be released because they never really were a serious jihadi or they can be convicted in a court and sent to jail. We should focus on clearing those people out.
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Stevedangos
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Re: Is Free Speech Under Siege?
No,we should let the military give them a fair trial where they will be fairly convicted, then they can be lined up against a wall and fairly executed by a fireing squad
No,we should let the military give them a fair trial where they will be fairly convicted, then they can be lined up against a wall and fairly executed by a fireing squad
Re: Is Free Speech Under Siege?
There are people in Gitmo right now who wouldn't be convicted in a military court.
